NFL 2010: $25K Fine For Talking About Fines

[The Rube]

Re: NFL 2010: $25K Fine For Talking About Fines

And IIRC, Kolb is only 26 and has one year left on his contract. Young enough to be possible franchise, and has enough learning/experience to not be a scratch project.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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And IIRC, Kolb is only 26 and has one year left on his contract. Young enough to be possible franchise, and has enough learning/experience to not be a scratch project.

You're not going to get him unless you give up a **** ton of assets. PERIOD. Philly needs a backup for vick and they have Kolb on the cheap. They're in a position of massive strength.

 

[The Rube]

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You're not going to get him unless you give up a **** ton of assets. PERIOD. Philly needs a backup for vick and they have Kolb on the cheap. They're in a position of massive strength.

BUT, they only have a year to get rid of him to get something. Otherwise, hello UFA. So I think that's almost a wash. PHI advan, but not as much as people fear.

 

[JF_Gophers]

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Speaking of drafting, the first 20 draft spots are determined.

1. Carolina (2-14)
2. Denver (4-12)
3. Buffalo (4-12)
4. Cincinnati (4-12)
5. Arizona (5-11)
6. Cleveland (5-11)
7. San Francisco (6-10)
8. Tennessee (6-10)
9. Dallas (6-10)
10. Washington (6-10)
11. Houston (6-10)
12. Minnesota (6-10)
13. Detroit (6-10)
14. St. Louis (7-9)
15. Miami (7-9)
16. Jacksonville (8-8)
17. New England (pick acquired from Oakland)
18. San Diego (9-7)
19. New York Giants (10-6)
20. Tampa Bay (10-6)

 

[Handyman]

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You're not going to get him unless you give up a **** ton of assets. PERIOD. Philly needs a backup for vick and they have Kolb on the cheap. They're in a position of massive strength.

That depends, they are going to need to sign Vick for huge money if they want to keep him and as soon as they sign him my guess is Kolb will demand a trade. He doesnt want to back up Vick in a contract year and they obviously wont franchise him because that is too much money for a backup. He will hold out, and they will be forced to deal him somewhere for less than they want to. (unless someone offers before this plays out) His agent is telling him this right now guaranteed. Kolb has no reason to stay the second Vick signs on the dotted line and the entire league knows it meaning the Eagles have less leverage than they should as soon as they make the inevitable move. Ironically this is the same thing that happened with Matt Shaub when he backed up Vick and the Falcons

If I had to guess Kolb will go for a 2nd and another pick. When Schaub was traded it was for 2 second round picks. That isnt a super huge amount I mean look what the Bears gave up for Cutler.

That said I dont want him so I hope they stay away. They really arent in a spot for a QB unless they find a way to trade up they need to look into other options. If they think Webb is the future I hope they bring in someone who is a vet who can back him up and play if/when he has growing pains. I have no idea who that is but then again I never thought Ferrotte could do it and he was fine in that role for Daunte.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I don't think Kolb would be terrible. Hecould grow into it. I'm on the fence though on if I'd rather have him or Webb. Webb showed some promise in his last two games. he wasn't perfect but for his first two starts he wasn't terrible.

 

[The Rube]

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Partly what Handy said, and from what I know, they are franchising Vick, which paints a clear picture for Kolb (and the teams who may be interested in Kolb).

One thing that will be a hard sell is bringing in a vet to teach Webb. Many Vikes fans are sick of the vet qb's, and I dunno if Wilf will take that chance, no matter how smart it MAY (stress that word) seem. If the Vikes get McNabb, I think that would be a HUGE mistake. Heck, for all the bad decisions over Vikes' history, I could see them making a play for Hasselhack (SEA).

IMO, I really think it comes down to:
1. Ride Webb. For better or for worse.
2. Stud draft pick, start him from day 1, and hope to hell he pans out, or everyone is going to get thrown under a bus.
3. Marginal vet (meaning not old, but someone with some experience/tutelage) to start and teach now, leave/get traded later. Could end up being the franchise QB.

 

[Handyman]

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If they can get him on the cheap (meaning less than I figure in my previous post) I wont die if they make the move. He is young which I like but has a bit of experience and is a west coast style QB. He and Webb could have a healthy competition.

Webb could be good, the potential is there, but he is really really raw. He looked good for his first couple games, but a year of holding a clipboard could do him good.

It is so tough to say without knowing who will be GM, if there will be a new OC...etc. If Bevell is here I could see them making a move for Kolb because I think he would love a young QB like that who he could mold ya know? If not the new OC might like someone else, or they might like Webb. I think Frazier likes Webb which bolds well for him. I am more optimistic than I was about him but still dont think he is ready.

Seriously, McNabb will not happen. It is not even worth discussing it will not happen.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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The more I think about Webb, the more I'd like to see them ride him next season if they can't get Luck or Mallet (again, they won't). I completely agree on McNabb.

 

[The Rube]

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If they can get him on the cheap (meaning less than I figure in my previous post) I wont die if they make the move. He is young which I like but has a bit of experience and is a west coast style QB. He and Webb could have a healthy competition.

Webb could be good, the potential is there, but he is really really raw. He looked good for his first couple games, but a year of holding a clipboard could do him good.

It is so tough to say without knowing who will be GM, if there will be a new OC...etc. If Bevell is here I could see them making a move for Kolb because I think he would love a young QB like that who he could mold ya know? If not the new OC might like someone else, or they might like Webb. I think Frazier likes Webb which bolds well for him. I am more optimistic than I was about him but still dont think he is ready.

That's where I'm getting at. Even if Kolb doesn't totally work out, the Vikes' base (AP, Sidney, Visanthe, Percy) are young enough where you hope Kolb teaches Webb enough where it's a smooth transition to the next era. If Kolb does work out, and Webb develops, gee, what a harsh horrid problem! And if Kolb works out, and Webb just doesn't come along, oh darn, you still have a long-term QB.

 

[Handyman]

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The more I think about Webb, the more I'd like to see them ride him next season if they can't get Luck or Mallet (again, they won't). I completely agree on McNabb.

If the move is meant for the future then I am all for it. I can deal with a couple of down years to build up for a turnaround. In this town though it will get ugly for a bit the fans whine even when the team is winning.

Get me a GM and lets start anew. (assuming no lockout and a new stadium of course) Spielman has done well with the draft for the most part so if they made him the GM I could deal with that or find someone who knows their stuff. Have a plan and make it visible and I am a happy guy.

 

[Handyman]

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That's where I'm getting at. Even if Kolb doesn't totally work out, the Vikes' base (AP, Sidney, Visanthe, Percy) are young enough where you hope Kolb teaches Webb enough where it's a smooth transition to the next era. If Kolb does work out, and Webb develops, gee, what a harsh horrid problem! And if Kolb works out, and Webb just doesn't come along, oh darn, you still have a long-term QB.

Yes I said the same thing if the price is right, I just said McNabb is a zero chance possibility. There is a better chance Favre is the QB and THAT WONT HAPPEN.

 

[The Rube]

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Yes I said the same thing if the price is right, I just said McNabb is a zero chance possibility. There is a better chance Favre is the QB and THAT WONT HAPPEN.

Well, to be fair, who thought Moss would be back in MN?

And given PHI's position, I could see a couple mid-round draft picks, or maybe a high round pick + a "prospect." If I was Wilf, price almost wouldn't matter. I'm not saying 2 first rounders, but I'd overpay a little to get Kolb.

 

[Handyman]

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Well, to be fair, who thought Moss would be back in MN?

And given PHI's position, I could see a couple mid-round draft picks, or maybe a high round pick + a "prospect." If I was Wilf, price almost wouldn't matter. I'm not saying 2 first rounders, but I'd overpay a little to get Kolb.

Well with the 12 pick you may be right. Swap picks, give up a second and another pick the next year but then you need to be in negotiations for an extension for Kolb at least for a couple years. That is a lot to give up for 1 year, if you are trading you think he has a shot at being your franchise. You dont give up multiple picks for Crash Davis. If all you want is that there will be cheaper options out there.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Well with the 12 pick you may be right. Swap picks, give up a second and another pick the next year but then you need to be in negotiations for an extension for Kolb at least for a couple years. That is a lot to give up for 1 year, if you are trading you think he has a shot at being your franchise. You dont give up multiple picks for Crash Davis. If all you want is that there will be cheaper options out there.

I think that an extension would be a prereq for the Kolb trade.

 

[The Rube]

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I think that an extension would be a prereq for the Kolb trade.

If I were the Vikes, it would be. 1 year is no good. 3 years min, preferably 5 with some options.

 

[Handyman]

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If I were the Vikes, it would be. 1 year is no good. 3 years min, preferably 5 with some options.

Kolb will ask for 5, and a nice signing bonus since Webb will still be around and NFL contracts are a joke.

 

[The Rube]

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Kolb will ask for 5, and a nice signing bonus since Webb will still be around and NFL contracts are a joke.

I agree that NFL contracts are a joke.

I also agree he'll ask for 5, but I think in exchange for a starting job, he'll be open for option years (4th and 5th). At that point, though, it'll be down to the agents' creativity and legalese.

 

[Slap Shot]

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The Vikings have no reason to go after Kolb unless it's for next to nothing. I don't care about his potential they need to draft a QB, let him compete with Webb and bring in a cheap veteran for justincase. It may not be ideal but wth is at this point? The Vikings have languished at QB for nearly 2 decades save a few bright years from Cunningham, Culpepper and Favre and even if it requires 1 rebuilding year the NFL has proven that savvy GM leadership can quickly turnaround an NFL team quickly if coupled with competent coaching. People whining about 'window of opportunity' fail to see the forrest for the trees. imho they are better off sucking it up for one year worst case scenario and reloading for the next year under the proper leadership if they draft right.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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The Vikings have no reason to go after Kolb unless it's for next to nothing. I don't care about his potential they need to draft a QB, let him compete with Webb and bring in a cheap veteran for justincase. It may not be ideal but wth is at this point? The Vikings have languished at QB for nearly 2 decades save a few bright years from Cunningham, Culpepper and Favre and even if it requires 1 rebuilding year the NFL has proven that savvy GM leadership can quickly turnaround an NFL team quickly if coupled with competent coaching. People whining about 'window of opportunity' fail to see the forrest for the trees. imho they are better off sucking it up for one year worst case scenario and reloading for the next year under the proper leadership if they draft right.

I don't think they can do that until they get a stadium