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New York Mets 2010: The Magic is... um...

Kepler

Cornell Big Red
Mets will officially announce Jason Bay contract terms (4 years plus an option) next week. Bengie Molina seems to have signed for 2 years.

Barring further moves, the lineup appears to be:

1. J. Reyes, ss
2. L. Castillo, 2b
3. D. Wright, 3b
4. J. Bay, lf
5. C. Beltran, cf
6. J. Francoeur, rf
7. D. Murphy, 1b
8. B. Molina, c
 
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Re: New York Mets 2010: The Magic is... um...

Mets will officially announce Jason Bay contract terms (4 years plus an option) next week. Bengie Molina seems to have signed for 2 years.

Barring further moves, the lineup appears to be:

1. J. Reyes, ss
2. L. Castillo, 2b
3. D. Wright, 3b
4. J. Bay, lf
5. C. Beltran, cf
6. J. Francoeur, rf
7. D. Murphy, 1b
8. B. Molina, c

Line-up looks much better than it did next year.

Just need some starting pitching now.

I wouldnt mind Pinero or Sheets for the right price...Hell I wouldnt mind taking a flyer on Wang either...
 
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Agreed. Although pretty much any lineup is going to look better than, say:

1. A. Pagan, cf
2. L. Castillo, 2b
3. D. Murphy, 1b
4. J. Francoeur, rf
5. C. Sullivan, lf
6. F. Tatis, 3b
7. B. Schneider, c
8. A. Hernandez, ss

Current rotation:

1. J. Santana
2. M. Pelfrey
3. O. Perez
4. J. Maine
5. K. Escobar or J. Niese or B. Parnell or F. Nieve or...
 
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Agreed. Although pretty much any lineup is going to look better than, say:

1. A. Pagan, cf
2. L. Castillo, 2b
3. D. Murphy, 1b
4. J. Francoeur, rf
5. C. Sullivan, lf
6. F. Tatis, 3b
7. B. Schneider, c
8. A. Hernandez, ss

Current rotation:

1. J. Santana
2. M. Pelfrey
3. O. Perez
4. J. Maine
5. K. Escobar or J. Niese or B. Parnell or F. Nieve or...

Worst line-up we fielded since 2002-2003.
 
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Well, OK, but take the four best players out of most team's lineups and what you have left will be pretty crappy.
 
Re: New York Mets 2010: The Magic is... um...

84 wins projected from WAR.

My knee-jerk reax are:

1. That's a lot to ask of Beltran given he starts the season hurt.

2. That's a lot of ask of Pelfrey given that he's Pelfrey.

3. If I had a catcher's mitt, I could crack that lineup.
 
Re: New York Mets 2010: The Magic is... um...

Line-up looks much better than it did next year.

Just need some starting pitching now.

I wouldnt mind Pinero or Sheets for the right price...Hell I wouldnt mind taking a flyer on Wang either...

Not really. At the beginning of last season we could see the team as follows on its best day.

Reyes
Castillo
Wright
Delgado
Beltran
Sheffield
Castro
Murphy
Pitcher

You think this team has a better lineup than that?
 
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Not really. At the beginning of last season we could see the team as follows on its best day.

Reyes
Castillo
Wright
Delgado
Beltran
Sheffield
Castro
Murphy
Pitcher

You think this team has a better lineup than that?

Yes...

Bay > Delgado
Francouer > Sheffield (at this point in their careers)
Molina > Castro (this was operating at the time I thought we had Molina locked up)

Howard Johnson spoke a local hall of fame dinner a few weeks ago that i covered for newspaper and I talked with him afterwards and he is VERY high on Daniel Murphy establishing himself as a 20 HR, 90 RBI, .300 hitter this season.

I asked him about the pitching and of course he dodged the question but he did think the team at the time was going to address the problem. Obviously this was right before Sheets and Pinerno went to other teams...

Maybe we'll take a flyer on Wang. At this point we have nothing to lose. At worst he'll still compete for the 5th starter spot even if he struggles. At best we have ourselves a solid #2 pitcher if he can pitch the way he did winning 19 games three straight years.
 
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Yes...

Bay > Delgado
Francouer > Sheffield (at this point in their careers)
Molina > Castro (this was operating at the time I thought we had Molina locked up)

Howard Johnson spoke a local hall of fame dinner a few weeks ago that i covered for newspaper and I talked with him afterwards and he is VERY high on Daniel Murphy establishing himself as a 20 HR, 90 RBI, .300 hitter this season.

I asked him about the pitching and of course he dodged the question but he did think the team at the time was going to address the problem. Obviously this was right before Sheets and Pinerno went to other teams...

Maybe we'll take a flyer on Wang. At this point we have nothing to lose. At worst he'll still compete for the 5th starter spot even if he struggles. At best we have ourselves a solid #2 pitcher if he can pitch the way he did winning 19 games three straight years.

Delgado's last healthy season for the Mets he hit .271/.353/.518

Bay's last season .267/.384/.537. I'll grant you that I expected Bay to outperform 2008 Delgado however I expected Delgado to play like he did in the second half of 2008 for all of 2009. Instead he hurts the hip stretching for an unneeded triple landing on the hip he should have surgery for long before the 2008 season ever began. I'm not comparing 2010 Bay to 2009 Delgado. I think we all know we expect more from 2010 Bay than 2009 Delgado. However, the expectations for 2009 Delgado were close to what we'll expect from Bay. That's what I'm arguing here, expectations.

.276//372/.451 That's Sheffield's line. At age 312 or however old he is. He was less than 20 points away of OPS from Frenchy's amazing stint with the Mets.

Basically Frenchy had the year of his life in his short stint with the Mets and barely outhit a decrepit Gary Sheffield. Woohoo! I'm pretty sure I'm willing to put 2009 Sheffield up against 2010 Frenchy. Anyone want to make some bets here?

Who will have the higher OPS, Frenchy 2010 or Sheffield 2009. Don't all rush up at once.

All I'm saying is looking at our expectations of the 2009 Mets lineup, I expected more from that team on paper than I will of the 2010 lineup. And the fact that the Mets have quietly slashed 20 million from the payroll and avoided getting flack for it is really annoying.

And of course HoJo is high on Murphy. What is he supposed to say, that Murphy stinks? HoJo has been a much maligned hitting coach in his time with the Mets and I think if he wasn't a former Met star he would have been canned.

And don't even get me started on Warthen who has the brilliant idea of shaming pitchers into throwing strikes. Hey Warthless how about you pay attention to their mechanics, teach them new pitches, etc...find out if they're telegraphing certain pitches...you know the job that pitching coaches are supposed to do.

Warthen has no track record of success. But that's OK! We let Rick Peterson go to be the scapegoat and Warthen is terrible.

The worst part is at midseason HoJo and Warthen will likely be fired....just to delay the firing of Omar and Manuel at season's end.

Just fire all 4 guys right now and hire competent people at each position. Oh, and while you're at it fire Jeff Wilpon for thinking he's an executive with baseball management skills instead of being an owner. You sign the checks lil Jeffy, you don't make personnel decisions.

Anyone who thinks Omar is really in charge right now is deluding themselves. He's just the scapegoat for Jeff making stupid decision after stupid decision. Until the Wilpons leave this team won't win.
 
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Delgado's last healthy season for the Mets he hit .271/.353/.518

Bay's last season .267/.384/.537. I'll grant you that I expected Bay to outperform 2008 Delgado however I expected Delgado to play like he did in the second half of 2008 for all of 2009. Instead he hurts the hip stretching for an unneeded triple landing on the hip he should have surgery for long before the 2008 season ever began. I'm not comparing 2010 Bay to 2009 Delgado. I think we all know we expect more from 2010 Bay than 2009 Delgado. However, the expectations for 2009 Delgado were close to what we'll expect from Bay. That's what I'm arguing here, expectations.

.276//372/.451 That's Sheffield's line. At age 312 or however old he is. He was less than 20 points away of OPS from Frenchy's amazing stint with the Mets.

Basically Frenchy had the year of his life in his short stint with the Mets and barely outhit a decrepit Gary Sheffield. Woohoo! I'm pretty sure I'm willing to put 2009 Sheffield up against 2010 Frenchy. Anyone want to make some bets here?

Who will have the higher OPS, Frenchy 2010 or Sheffield 2009. Don't all rush up at once.

All I'm saying is looking at our expectations of the 2009 Mets lineup, I expected more from that team on paper than I will of the 2010 lineup. And the fact that the Mets have quietly slashed 20 million from the payroll and avoided getting flack for it is really annoying.

And of course HoJo is high on Murphy. What is he supposed to say, that Murphy stinks? HoJo has been a much maligned hitting coach in his time with the Mets and I think if he wasn't a former Met star he would have been canned.

And don't even get me started on Warthen who has the brilliant idea of shaming pitchers into throwing strikes. Hey Warthless how about you pay attention to their mechanics, teach them new pitches, etc...find out if they're telegraphing certain pitches...you know the job that pitching coaches are supposed to do.

Warthen has no track record of success. But that's OK! We let Rick Peterson go to be the scapegoat and Warthen is terrible.

The worst part is at midseason HoJo and Warthen will likely be fired....just to delay the firing of Omar and Manuel at season's end.

Just fire all 4 guys right now and hire competent people at each position. Oh, and while you're at it fire Jeff Wilpon for thinking he's an executive with baseball management skills instead of being an owner. You sign the checks lil Jeffy, you don't make personnel decisions.

Anyone who thinks Omar is really in charge right now is deluding themselves. He's just the scapegoat for Jeff making stupid decision after stupid decision. Until the Wilpons leave this team won't win.

I can't disagree with anything you've said. Nice post.

I'm certainly cautious of the upcoming season and don't by any means think we can be even close to a playoff contender unless we address pitching.

I think the offense will be better but how couldn't it be if everyone even stays the slightest bit healthy.

I don't know how anyone in the organization still has jobs after the mess this team has become in the last three years.

This article really cooked my grits though that I read a few days ago:

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=htt...4517801690&h=7b01376db17efd89deb484dffe6a4676

The Mets training staff is a joke. When will they just learn and fire the whole god **** staff like the Yankees did. The Mets have lost millions of dollars from players missing games and surely decreasing attendance and season ticket holders after last season's mess yet they let these jokers still around and allow their million dollar investment players to keep getting hurt.:mad:
 
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It's not just the training staff. There is a massive disconnect between the training staff and management. Training staff said Beltran needed more time to rest, Beltran wanted more time to rest his knee. Mets management made the decision for him to come off the DL and play on that knee, making the bone bruise even worse.

Jeff Wilpon thinks he is the GM, a baseball expert, and a doctor rolled into one. His yes men believe it too.
 
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Which means there will be no steady, maintainable improvement until the Wilpons are removed from day-to-day decision making. Since the ownership of baseball teams is not determined by merit, anarchists prefer political targets, and they are unfortunately solvent post-Bernie, the only way that will happen is a Steinbrennarian Epiphany at which they realize their investment appreciates as an inverse of their direct involvement.

They're delusional and inept; our hope is they're also greedy.
 
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Have you ever read The Worst Team Money Can Buy?

Everything about Wilpon being a terrible owner is in there. We're just repeating it now that Doubleday isn't around to curtail Wilpon's stupidity.

How do stupid people get so rich in the first place?
 
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My hopes for the Mets this year is that they win every Santana start. :D After that I don't expect them to do much. :(

I was going to go see them play in Atlanta this spring, but its a midweek series. I have seen them there once before.
 
Re: New York Mets 2010: The Magic is... um...

IINM, the Mets just completed one entire week without a disconnect between management and the training staff concerning an injury to a major player.

Credit where it's due.

On the other hand...
 
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This Mejia decision is completely stupid. He has the potential to be a #1 starter but they're stunting his development having him be a reliever.

This shouldn't be Jerry and Omar's call. No logical reason for this.
 
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I'm inclined to agree -- I'd much rather develop starters and hire relievers, not to mention that other than a closer, a reliever's contribution to WAR is lower than a starter's.

12 more days we're undefeated (actually 13 since we always win the opener).
 
Re: New York Mets 2010: The Magic is... um...

I'm inclined to agree -- I'd much rather develop starters and hire relievers, not to mention that other than a closer, a reliever's contribution to WAR is lower than a starter's.

12 more days we're undefeated (actually 13 since we always win the opener).

Not only that, he's never been a reliever, so he might hurt his arm doing something he's not used to.
 
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