New/Rented Movies : Pixar actually made a bad movie

[bigblue_dl]

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The one with Keanu Reeves? I thought that was called "The Matrix: Revelations".

No the one with Keanu Reeves was Speed.

 

[Rimbaud]

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No the one with Keanu Reeves was Speed.

No, Speed was the one with Sandra Bullock.

 

[Tiggsy]

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Am I wrong for being able to overlook the horrible plot twists in Tron: Legacy and just enjoy the incredible effects and paying hommage to the original movie? Only movie I ever saw in IMAX twice.

 

[Kepler]

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Am I wrong for being able to overlook the horrible plot twists in Tron: Legacy and just enjoy the incredible effects and paying hommage to the original movie? Only movie I ever saw in IMAX twice.

Nah, that's fine. It's fx porn, it doesn't have to have a good plot.

 

[Slap Shot]

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I never read any of the Tolkien books that I recall (if I did I never read more than one) but have considered giving them a shot. I did enjoy Madeleine L'Engle, CS Lewis and Roald Dahl so maybe they'd fit. Although not sure any of it would hold up at my age.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Nah, that's fine. It's fx porn, it doesn't have to have a good plot.

George Lucas? Is that you?

 

[St. Clown]

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Has anyone watched Red State? I tried watching it once and decided I was too tired at that time and never gave it a second try. Thoughts?

I did and I liked it. It's not OH WOW good, but it's an flick I'll give another watching or two. It's a bit too on-the-nose with the message at the end of the movie, though.

I never read any of the Tolkien books that I recall (if I did I never read more than one) but have considered giving them a shot. I did enjoy Madeleine L'Engle, CS Lewis and Roald Dahl so maybe they'd fit. Although not sure any of it would hold up at my age.

Tolkien's books are good. He gets a bit long winded at times, but still a good read. Some of my favorite parts of the books were removed from the movies.

 

[Kepler]

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I never read any of the Tolkien books that I recall (if I did I never read more than one) but have considered giving them a shot. I did enjoy Madeleine L'Engle, CS Lewis and Roald Dahl so maybe they'd fit. Although not sure any of it would hold up at my age.

Tolkien wasn't written as children's literature, it certainly can hold up for any age. I wouldn't let that stop you from giving it a go.

There are definitely accessibility problem with Tolkien but like with anything that has depth and breadth, you don't have to pick up on all or even most of what's being alluded to to still enjoy it. The bad thing about coming to the books after seeing the movies is that you won't be able to avoid lots of preconceptions (c.f., once you've seen The Princess Bride it's probably hard to ever see Buttercup in your mind's eye as anything more than a mannish starlet with no personality). The good thing is no movie ever gets more than about 10% of what's worthwhile out of a book, so there's a great deal that you'll find new and interesting.

Anyway, I recommend "Fellowship" as a wonderful read. Not so much "The Hobbit" but I'll bet some will disagree.

 

[Kepler]

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George Lucas? Is that you?

That's mean on several levels at once. Well played.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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Tolkien's books are good. He gets a bit long winded at times, but still a good read. Some of my favorite parts of the books were removed from the movies.

True, but for the most part, the changes from the book worked out pretty well- and I thought the films were a great success.

That said, I still had a lot of issues with some of the minor details in the film. Not necessarily the really nerdy, anal stuff (I don't care if Gandalf's sword didn't glow the way Sting did and as much as I love Tom Bombadil in the book, leaving him out of Fellowship was the right call), but there was still a lot about the details in the films that managed to irk me and make me wonder why they did it.

 

[St. Clown]

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True, but for the most part, the changes from the book worked out pretty well- and I thought the films were a great success.

That said, I still had a lot of issues with some of the minor details in the film. Not necessarily the really nerdy, anal stuff (I don't care if Gandalf's sword didn't glow the way Sting did and as much as I love Tom Bombadil in the book, leaving him out of Fellowship was the right call), but there was still a lot about the details in the films that managed to irk me and make me wonder why they did it.

Jackson did a great job transferring the books to movies, no doubt. While parts of the book that I'd like to have seen in the movie were cut, leaving them in would have killed the flow established within the movies. The timelines of the movies were different than the books - a huge change of ten years vs. days/weeks within Fellow of the Ring alone - and it had to be done because they're completely different media. It made for a much more anxious, exciting air and made people want to sit around for the Two Towers even after the first three hours of Fellowship had elapsed.

 

[The Rube]

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The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo

Awesome. Comparing this one to the Swedish one, a couple of major plot points are differently arrived at, meaning the end result of the point is the same, it's how it got to that result is different. However, there's only one that I was disappointed in.* The rest didn't really matter. And I will say Fincher's statement of earning the R is very, very true. The one scene that was beyond disturbing in the Swedish one is a bit more graphic in this one. I'm really surprised the MPAA let him get away with it, given some of the rules they have (as mentioned in "This Film Has Not Yet Been Rated").

And yes, as bbdl cited earlier, Rooney owns her role, and this movie.

*(whited out, out of courtesy for those who haven't seen it):

Mikael's daughter clues him in to the numbers as Bible passages, not Lisbeth. It adds to Lisbeth's IQ factor, and also is how Mikael finds out that someone is hacking his computer, although he doesn't know who, at that point.

 

[St. Clown]

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What you just described in the American version keeps it true to the book. As I think has been stated a few times, that's been a focus for Fincher. I'm excited to see this movie.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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Jackson did a great job transferring the books to movies, no doubt. While parts of the book that I'd like to have seen in the movie were cut, leaving them in would have killed the flow established within the movies. The timelines of the movies were different than the books - a huge change of ten years vs. days/weeks within Fellow of the Ring alone - and it had to be done because they're completely different media. It made for a much more anxious, exciting air and made people want to sit around for the Two Towers even after the first three hours of Fellowship had elapsed.

Honestly, the timeline (especially the days vs. years angle) in Fellowship was one of those things that I wish could have been corrected in the books. Plus, given the way the Ents were portrayed, I don't think Tom Bombadil would've been fleshed out enough for his appearance to be anything but a brief, episodic distraction anyway.

My real gripes have to do with the way some characters were one dimensional, and some events were made into Deus ex Machina kind of happenings that took away from some of the emotional impact.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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What you just described in the American version keeps it true to the book. As I think has been stated a few times, that's been a focus for Fincher. I'm excited to see this movie.

I don't want to spoil anything for those who haven't at least seen the Swedish films or read the books, what benefit do you think there is to the way the book/Fincher has it compared to the way the Swedish film had it?

 

[The Rube]

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What you just described in the American version keeps it true to the book. As I think has been stated a few times, that's been a focus for Fincher. I'm excited to see this movie.

Ok. I read the wiki pages for all three (book, Swedish, American) since I haven't read the books, to confirm everything, and the book wiki was a little vague on some of the points, and specific on others.

I'll probably see this again, as I know some others in my circle of friends want to see it. I don't mind shelling out for overpriced tickets for a quality movie/director.

Exile: the family factor. I think that's vague enough for those who haven't seen/read it, and specific enough for those who have.

 

[The Rube]

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Just imdb'd the movie, trivia in particular. The following would have been EPIC (although one can hardly argue against Plummer):

Max von Sydow, a genuine Swede, was the original choice to play Henrik Vanger, but had to bow out and was replaced by Christopher Plummer.

 

[St. Clown]

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I don't want to spoil anything for those who haven't at least seen the Swedish films or read the books, what benefit do you think there is to the way the book/Fincher has it compared to the way the Swedish film had it?

I thought that in the Swedish movies Mikael Blomqvist was too clean, portrayed as just an all around good guy who got hosed. In the books, and what I expect to see in Fincher's movie, is a Blomqvist whose personality flaws become more shining. Something that Larsson wrote into the books, openly states very early in the book is that Mikael is a bad father, Mikael admits it to himself and laments that he doesn't really know how to be a better father. It's a repeated theme. The books make you not sure of the quality of the man's character to start, and then go through the process of winning you over throughout their course. The Swedish films never did that and IMO that made Mikael a more two-dimensional character. That and dynamics of his whole relationship with Erin, the co-owner of the magazine. That's a bit slimy (I hesitate to use that word)/odd, and skipped completely from the Swedish movies, too.

ETA: And the same sort of treatment was given to Lisbeth's character in the Swedish films, too. That's a much longer discussion and it would likely give too away portions of the story too much. The Lisbeth in the books was much more devious and ruthless in the books than in the Swedish movies. If I say anymore in comparison, it'll give away plot points.

 

[The Rube]

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I thought that in the Swedish movies Mikael Blomqvist was too clean, portrayed as just an all around good guy who got hosed. In the books, and what I expect to see in Fincher's movie, is a Blomqvist whose personality flaws become more shining. Something that Larsson wrote into the books, openly states very early in the book is that Mikael is a bad father, Mikael admits it to himself and laments that he doesn't really know how to be a better father. It's a repeated theme. The books make you not sure of the quality of the man's character to start, and then go through the process of winning you over throughout their course. The Swedish films never did that and IMO that made Mikael a more two-dimensional character. That and dynamics of his whole relationship with Erin, the co-owner of the magazine. That's a bit slimy (I hesitate to use that word)/odd, and skipped completely from the Swedish movies, too.

ETA: And the same sort of treatment was given to Lisbeth's character in the Swedish films, too. That's a much longer discussion and it would likely give too away portions of the story too much. The Lisbeth in the books was much more devious and ruthless in the books than in the Swedish movies. If I say anymore in comparison, it'll give away plot points.

Ok, since you put it out there, Mikael's family thing is indeed expanded here. Same with the co-editor thing. But I didn't see any difference with Lisbeth between the Swedish/American versions. Both were cold, asocial, beyond intelligent, conniving-when-needed characters. The books, I'll say you're probably right, since I have not read them. Just going by the movies.

 

[Kepler]

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I don't think Tom Bombadil would've been fleshed out enough for his appearance to be anything but a brief, episodic distraction anyway.

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