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New/Rented Movies: Now In Smell-O-Rama!
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Re: New/Rented Movies: Now In Smell-O-Rama!
I'll see Titanic before I see Avatar.
Just sayin'.
I'll see Titanic before I see Avatar.
Just sayin'.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: New/Rented Movies: Now In Smell-O-Rama!
Just saying what? That says nothing at all. The films are no different in their cheese. That's Cameron. Always has been.
Just saying what? That says nothing at all. The films are no different in their cheese. That's Cameron. Always has been.
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And Avatar is less of (and IMO is NOT) a chick flick.
And Avatar is less of (and IMO is NOT) a chick flick.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
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So, you'd rather watch a chick flick than Avatar? Avatar was better than most action movies produced today. By a wide margin I'd say.
And Avatar is less of (and IMO is NOT) a chick flick.
So, you'd rather watch a chick flick than Avatar? Avatar was better than most action movies produced today. By a wide margin I'd say.
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Yes. That's how uninterested I am in Avatar. CGI can only go so far until it's a cartoon. I have nothing against cartoons, but I long for the days of classic animation.
Yes. That's how uninterested I am in Avatar. CGI can only go so far until it's a cartoon. I have nothing against cartoons, but I long for the days of classic animation.
thecomicbookguy
Nobody.
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It's just not the same without someone yelling "MORTAL KOMBAT!" and then the techno kicking in...
It's just not the same without someone yelling "MORTAL KOMBAT!" and then the techno kicking in...
ScoobyDoo
NPC
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You're missing out then. The CGI characters in this film were actually acted by real actors and it shows. It's a huge leap forward and nothing like a cartoon. The problem with Avatar wasn't the CGI, or the acting (unusual for Cameron). The problem was the tired script with the boring overtold story.
You're missing out then. The CGI characters in this film were actually acted by real actors and it shows. It's a huge leap forward and nothing like a cartoon. The problem with Avatar wasn't the CGI, or the acting (unusual for Cameron). The problem was the tired script with the boring overtold story.
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True, with the story bit, but that's common with movies nowadays, so I can't use that with Avatar. Not having seen it, but having read enough about it, I'd say it's more with how the story is told that is the factor as far as "retread" is being used by you as a point.
Example: the whole Romeo and Juliet is more than a tired plot. However, to use a generally entertaining movie (although it's far from great), "Romeo Must Die" was worth a see. And that's on the lower end of a retelling.
Avatar offers nothng new except advancements in computer technology, in my eyes. And I don't find that entertaining, usually. I see nothing in this movie to catch my attention.
True, with the story bit, but that's common with movies nowadays, so I can't use that with Avatar. Not having seen it, but having read enough about it, I'd say it's more with how the story is told that is the factor as far as "retread" is being used by you as a point.
Example: the whole Romeo and Juliet is more than a tired plot. However, to use a generally entertaining movie (although it's far from great), "Romeo Must Die" was worth a see. And that's on the lower end of a retelling.
Avatar offers nothng new except advancements in computer technology, in my eyes. And I don't find that entertaining, usually. I see nothing in this movie to catch my attention.
Proud2baLaker
Master of Science
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Im with Brenthoven on this one. There is just nothing about that movie that truly interests me.
Im with Brenthoven on this one. There is just nothing about that movie that truly interests me.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
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That's an interesting take on film I guess. Star Wars was a huge advancement in technology as well. Really offered nothing else at the time. Star Wars was nothing more than a Spaghetti Western placed in a futuristic world.
But, ok, technology has nothing to offer in film.
That's an interesting take on film I guess. Star Wars was a huge advancement in technology as well. Really offered nothing else at the time. Star Wars was nothing more than a Spaghetti Western placed in a futuristic world.
But, ok, technology has nothing to offer in film.
thecomicbookguy
Nobody.
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To be clear, your problem isn't actually the CGI, it's the fact that there's nothing new in the movie other than the visual effects?
To be clear, your problem isn't actually the CGI, it's the fact that there's nothing new in the movie other than the visual effects?
thecomicbookguy
Nobody.
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I was in the same boat...until I saw it.
I was in the same boat...until I saw it.
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Let's take it to the extreme, shall we?
Star Wars had space, and honestly, as a movie? It wasn't Oscar worthy or anything. But it was entertaining as all hell. And again, it's how the story is told. Sure, Star Wars may have been a futuristic spaghetti western, but it was told in a certain way that made it good.
Heck, the Matrix was nothing more than "Our Saviour Has Come" movie, but it was told in such a way that it made it good.
And if you want to go back, "A Fistful Of Dollars" was a pure remake. I don't see anyone saying that it was a bad movie. It's the way it was told.
tcbg: pretty much. I feel (from viewing the trailers) that it takes away from the movie, rather than add to it.
Let's take it to the extreme, shall we?
Star Wars had space, and honestly, as a movie? It wasn't Oscar worthy or anything. But it was entertaining as all hell. And again, it's how the story is told. Sure, Star Wars may have been a futuristic spaghetti western, but it was told in a certain way that made it good.
Heck, the Matrix was nothing more than "Our Saviour Has Come" movie, but it was told in such a way that it made it good.
And if you want to go back, "A Fistful Of Dollars" was a pure remake. I don't see anyone saying that it was a bad movie. It's the way it was told.
tcbg: pretty much. I feel (from viewing the trailers) that it takes away from the movie, rather than add to it.
thecomicbookguy
Nobody.
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Personally, I think that is short-sighted, and quite possibly disingenuous. Movies are a visual medium; visual effects are an integral part of what makes a movie watchable. Think of how many movies are panned because the visuals are terrible.
Again, I was of the same mindset as you. Then I was dragged to see it, and I was pleasantly surprised. It's no "Godfather", but it was pretty much thoroughly enjoyable to watch.
Personally, I think that is short-sighted, and quite possibly disingenuous. Movies are a visual medium; visual effects are an integral part of what makes a movie watchable. Think of how many movies are panned because the visuals are terrible.
Again, I was of the same mindset as you. Then I was dragged to see it, and I was pleasantly surprised. It's no "Godfather", but it was pretty much thoroughly enjoyable to watch.
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With special effects, I want it to complement the movie at hand. I don't want it to be the star. As for movies mentioned previously, and a couple others:
The Matrix: the effects were eye-candy, and were an aside, simply put. The true story (in my eyes) was the fact that we were in a fake world; the whole physical constraint vs mental freedom was fascinating for me.
Star Wars: same thing as far as the aside. It was basically a blend of action/drama/romance. Maybe you could even throw in a coming of age angle. But the effects were an afterthought.
Even combos of animation/live action fall into that. Roger Rabbit? Great comedy, with a touch of social commentary. Again, while the effects were front and center, the main push was on the slapstick comedy. To me, it was an animated movie with "live action" being the add-on, instead of the reverse.
The Labryinth/Neverending Story: while the movies sucked, the puppetry/etc were a complement to the main story. They weren't the star of the movie. It was a nice add-on for the people who were watching these.
With special effects, I want it to complement the movie at hand. I don't want it to be the star. As for movies mentioned previously, and a couple others:
The Matrix: the effects were eye-candy, and were an aside, simply put. The true story (in my eyes) was the fact that we were in a fake world; the whole physical constraint vs mental freedom was fascinating for me.
Star Wars: same thing as far as the aside. It was basically a blend of action/drama/romance. Maybe you could even throw in a coming of age angle. But the effects were an afterthought.
Even combos of animation/live action fall into that. Roger Rabbit? Great comedy, with a touch of social commentary. Again, while the effects were front and center, the main push was on the slapstick comedy. To me, it was an animated movie with "live action" being the add-on, instead of the reverse.
The Labryinth/Neverending Story: while the movies sucked, the puppetry/etc were a complement to the main story. They weren't the star of the movie. It was a nice add-on for the people who were watching these.
thecomicbookguy
Nobody.
Re: New/Rented Movies: Now In Smell-O-Rama!
1) the effects were not one of the stars of The Matrix? Really?
2) I don't think you'd have found many people in 1977 who thought the effects in Star Wars were "an afterthought".
3) The visual effects in Avatar are so good that about 20 minutes into the movie, you forget that they are visual effects (also in part because the actors still have to act with more than just their voices).
I'm sorry, Brent, all of your counter-arguments just sound more and more like those of someone resisting, not because of the movie, but because of the hype. I'm done with this argument, though. There's no point discussing this any further.
1) the effects were not one of the stars of The Matrix? Really?
2) I don't think you'd have found many people in 1977 who thought the effects in Star Wars were "an afterthought".
3) The visual effects in Avatar are so good that about 20 minutes into the movie, you forget that they are visual effects (also in part because the actors still have to act with more than just their voices).
I'm sorry, Brent, all of your counter-arguments just sound more and more like those of someone resisting, not because of the movie, but because of the hype. I'm done with this argument, though. There's no point discussing this any further.
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I haven't seen it either, don't have any real desire to see Avatar, but I don't think I'm as gung ho about it as you.
To those who have seen Avatar, is there anything on the screen that's not CGI? I thought they used the same premise for visuals as that Jim Carey vehicle A Christmas Story released last holiday season.
http://www.pete.com/media/573/Avatar_like_Pocahontas/
I haven't seen it either, don't have any real desire to see Avatar, but I don't think I'm as gung ho about it as you.
To those who have seen Avatar, is there anything on the screen that's not CGI? I thought they used the same premise for visuals as that Jim Carey vehicle A Christmas Story released last holiday season.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: New/Rented Movies: Now In Smell-O-Rama!
Avatar's technological contribution is similar to Sin City, A Scanner Darkly or to go way back, The Cabinet of Dr. Calgari -- yes, the tech is the star and it's a gimmick, but it's also justified by the material. In SC it was comic-noir, in ASD it was the jumpy, creepy, paranoia of the vision, in CDC it's that gloriously disturbing German surrealism; in Avatar it was the softcore "Disney for adolescents" fantasy.
And honestly, Avatar wasn't nearly as horrible as it could have (with its budget, arguably, should have) been. There was nothing interesting or redeeming in the writing or direction, but the eye candy was staggering.
Avatar's technological contribution is similar to Sin City, A Scanner Darkly or to go way back, The Cabinet of Dr. Calgari -- yes, the tech is the star and it's a gimmick, but it's also justified by the material. In SC it was comic-noir, in ASD it was the jumpy, creepy, paranoia of the vision, in CDC it's that gloriously disturbing German surrealism; in Avatar it was the softcore "Disney for adolescents" fantasy.
And honestly, Avatar wasn't nearly as horrible as it could have (with its budget, arguably, should have) been. There was nothing interesting or redeeming in the writing or direction, but the eye candy was staggering.
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