New Poll Predictions for 11/16

[one_to7]

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That would be getting it done to some degree

 

[1Dukester]

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It'll be interesting to see where Utica goes if we beat Neumann and Lebanon Valley this weekend.....

Also,is it fair that Utica loses 10 recieving votes in this weeks poll,I know we kicked the crap out of WNEC,but we only lost to Oswego by 1 goal(since they average over 5 goals a game),and we had a nice come back coming in the third period.Too bad theres not 25:00 minute 3rd periods,if that was so,Utica could have tied or beat Oswego.....

It'll be very interesting when Oswego comes to Utica december 8th.....they diden't have much luck last time they came to Utica,losing 5-2 i think,and Oswego was 14-0-0 when they came to Utica and i believe they won a National Championship the same year.

If, that great word if! Oswego should have put that game away easily in the
1st by 5 or 6 goals. Lot of good lessons learned for 13 Laker freshmen, that you have to keep going and not let a underling bore you to sleep. Good news is that they won and learned a valuable lesson moving forward.

 

[nysportsfan29]

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It'll be interesting to see where Utica goes if we beat Neumann and Lebanon Valley this weekend.....

Also,is it fair that Utica loses 10 recieving votes in this weeks poll,I know we kicked the crap out of WNEC,but we only lost to Oswego by 1 goal(since they average over 5 goals a game),and we had a nice come back coming in the third period.Too bad theres not 25:00 minute 3rd periods,if that was so,Utica could have tied or beat Oswego.....

It'll be very interesting when Oswego comes to Utica december 8th.....they diden't have much luck last time they came to Utica,losing 5-2 i think,and Oswego was 14-0-0 when they came to Utica and i believe they won a National Championship the same year.

They will probably be in the same spot they are this week: receiving votes, but not in the poll. Neumann is very clearly not even close to the team they were last year. LVC is quite possibly the worst program in all of D-III. If Utica were to win both of their games, the voters will probably treat them very similarly as this week unless all 5 teams ahead of them lose this weekend.

Of course it's fair, they lost.

And Oswego possibly could've scored 3 of their own goals in that extra 5 minutes, who knows.

Hockey is 60 minutes, with 3 20 minute periods. If you can't get it done then.... you lose.

Thanks for being a voice of reason here one_to7

 

[altazo]

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Now that this week's poll is out

I am wondering about the first place votes

1	St. Norbert	(16)	6-0-1	296	1
2	Oswego			7-1-0	269	2
3	Plattsburgh		4-1-0	255	3
4	Manhattanville	( 2)	3-0-0	242	4
5	Adrian		( 2)	4-0-0	214	5

verses last weeks

 1 St. Norbert         ( 7)   4-0-1   279    11
 2 Oswego              ( 6)   5-1-0   274     8
 3 Plattsburgh         ( 4)   3-1-0   257     1
 4 Manhattanville      ( 1)   3-0-0   209    12
 5 Adrian              ( 2)   2-0-0   208     6

It looks like St. Norbert sucked up all but one of the 10 votes the Sunyac teams had
Was St. Norbert weekend that good beating a 2-5-0 team twice? Where Oswego beat a Cortland team by 4 and a Not too shabby Utica team
And Plattsburgh beat an up and coming Morrisville team.

I guess that is why they call them polls

Yes. I think St. Norbert's weekend was more impressive than both Oswego and Plattsburgh's.

 

[sshablak]

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Utica wins 12-0 and loses to #2 Oswego 3-2 ! They go from 18 votes to 8. Must be they had to beat Oswego to get more votes than teams that haven't even played yet ! I wonder if the voters even think about their decisions. Too funny !!

 

[Ozz]

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Yes. I think St. Norbert's weekend was more impressive than both Oswego and Plattsburgh's.

I think this might speak more to the fact that the gap between the top of the SUNYAC (Oswego and Platty) and the bottom of the SUNYAC is increasing. Perhaps the voters don't 'trust' a SUNYAC team..

 

[Russell Jaslow]

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And those who have not played continue to do well in the poll.

Not from me.

I have made it a rule this year that if you haven't played any games, you don't get my votes. None whatsoever.

Now, I will have no problem placing a team high in the poll the first time out. In fact, I never have a problem moving teams up or down significant amounts based on just one weekend. I like to look at the whole poll from a fresh viewpoint every week.

If Middlebury or Norwich goes out and wins the Primelink, then I'll put them in the top 5 without hesitation.

However, if you want to be in the poll, play some freaking games!

 

[CROSBYNU63]

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We will as soon as the league let's us.

Not from me.

I have made it a rule this year that if you haven't played any games, you don't get my votes. None whatsoever.

Now, I will have no problem placing a team high in the poll the first time out. In fact, I never have a problem moving teams up or down significant amounts based on just one weekend. I like to look at the whole poll from a fresh viewpoint every week.

If Middlebury or Norwich goes out and wins the Primelink, then I'll put them in the top 5 without hesitation.

However, if you want to be in the poll, play some freaking games!

 

[1Dukester]

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Not from me.

I have made it a rule this year that if you haven't played any games, you don't get my votes. None whatsoever.

Now, I will have no problem placing a team high in the poll the first time out. In fact, I never have a problem moving teams up or down significant amounts based on just one weekend. I like to look at the whole poll from a fresh viewpoint every week.

If Middlebury or Norwich goes out and wins the Primelink, then I'll put them in the top 5 without hesitation.

However, if you want to be in the poll, play some freaking games!

Wow! Win the Primelink and you make the top 5.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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I think this might speak more to the fact that the gap between the top of the SUNYAC (Oswego and Platty) and the bottom of the SUNYAC is increasing. Perhaps the voters don't 'trust' a SUNYAC team..

Did you mean "decreasing"?

I'd say the SUNYAC, especially if the last two to three years the gap has been decreasing between the top teams and the rest of the pack. There are no longer easy games anywhere on the SUNYAC schedule for any team. You better come to play or you're not going to take the full two points you expected to get coming in.

 

[joecct]

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Did you mean "decreasing"?

I'd say the SUNYAC, especially if the last two to three years the gap has been decreasing between the top teams and the rest of the pack. There are no longer easy games anywhere on the SUNYAC schedule for any team. You better come to play or you're not going to take the full two points you expected to get coming in.

You will now experience what the Interlock has gone through. When you don't have a league of haves and have nots, you get one and only one bid.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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You will now experience what the Interlock has gone through. When you don't have a league of haves and have nots, you get one and only one bid.

We usually only get one bid anyways .

I think the only time recently that the SUNYAC got two bids was in 2007 when Fredonia and Oswego went.

 

[Ozz]

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Did you mean "decreasing"?

I'd say the SUNYAC, especially if the last two to three years the gap has been decreasing between the top teams and the rest of the pack. There are no longer easy games anywhere on the SUNYAC schedule for any team. You better come to play or you're not going to take the full two points you expected to get coming in.

I agree and disagree...I think the national perception about the SUNYAC is that the gap is widening. The percetpion is that its a foregone conclusion that Oswego will meet Plattsburgh for the championship year in and year out. When has another SUNYAC team received national recognition? I think Geneseo had a sniff of the rankings for a couple weeks a couple years ago. Fredonia rode a hot goalie to a SUNYAC championship a couple years ago. Other than that this conference has been about Oswego and Plattsburgh.

Now what I will agree with you about is the level of competition rising. Walking into a rink with the idea that two points is going to be easy is foolish. I think the competition underneath the top two tier teams is incredible. It's almost a coin flip every week when deciding amongst the other teams.

 

[93GreatLaker]

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Did you mean "decreasing"?

I'd say the SUNYAC, especially if the last two to three years the gap has been decreasing between the top teams and the rest of the pack. There are no longer easy games anywhere on the SUNYAC schedule for any team. You better come to play or you're not going to take the full two points you expected to get coming in.

The stats do not support this theory. Over the last two years Platty and Oswego are a combined 49-4-3 against the rest of the SUNYAC. That is 49 times out of 56 (88%) that the big dogs have taken the full two points against the rest of the league. The gap is huge and is certainly not decreasing, especially with Geneseo not having been a factor the last two years.

Take a look at who has met in the league championship the last two years and how easily they got there. Oswego/Platty have outscored their opponents 22-4 in the playoffs during this time. The rest of the league has lost ground.

 

[PSUChamps2001]

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The stats do not support this theory. Over the last two years Platty and Oswego are a combined 49-4-3 against the rest of the SUNYAC. That is 49 times out of 56 (88%) that the big dogs have taken the full two points against the rest of the league. The gap is huge and is certainly not decreasing, especially with Geneseo not having been a factor the last two years.

Take a look at who has met in the league championship the last two years and how easily they got there. Oswego/Platty have outscored their opponents 22-4 in the playoffs during this time. The rest of the league has lost ground.

Are you kidding me?? Gone are the years where you walked into Brockport, Cortland, and Buff State and if you won by less then 6 goals it was a moral victory for the opposing team. Dereks not saying that the said teams will beat OSU/PSU on any given night, because 9 times out of 10 they won't...but those 9 games will be a lot closer then 10-15 years ago....

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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The stats do not support this theory. Over the last two years Platty and Oswego are a combined 49-4-3 against the rest of the SUNYAC. That is 49 times out of 56 (88%) that the big dogs have taken the full two points against the rest of the league. The gap is huge and is certainly not decreasing, especially with Geneseo not having been a factor the last two years.

Take a look at who has met in the league championship the last two years and how easily they got there. Oswego/Platty have outscored their opponents 22-4 in the playoffs during this time. The rest of the league has lost ground.

The more I look back at this the more I'm at odds.

I think the overall competition of the SUNYAC is much higher than it used to be. After Plattsburgh/Oswego it's an all out war and I think you could put the 7 teams in any order and it would look fine.

The SUNYAC used to have about four tiers. It used to be Platty/Oz and then Geneseo/Fredonia then Potsdam/Buff State and then Cortland/Brockport. For the most part that's the way things shook out most years. Brockport and Cortland used to have some pretty atrocious teams with a blip on the radar screen every so often.

Now as far the top two teams. Yes they continue to beat the other teams however, the score margins are starting to decrease, especially this season. I think Plattsburgh and Oswego are more vulernable than they have been in quite some time. Sure they are still the favorites but they both still have major questions.

Will Oswego be able to keep this pace up? Remember the last time they had a hot recruiting class that fanned big time down the stretch in the big games as Freshman?

Plattsburgh doesn't have near the offensive scoring depth they have had the past few seasons and they have issues at goaltender right now.

Can you go down the line and point out weaknesses in every SUNYAC team, sure can. I just feel that overall the SUNYAC has become a better conference in the past few seasons. They are starting to win OOC games against the ECAC west teams after getting owned by them in previous years.

Do i think Plattsburgh and Oswego are the odds on favorites to meet in the SUNYAC title game again? Of course. But it wouldnt surprise me in the least bit if one of the teams in the new second tier (which is the entire conference now) got hot at the end of the season and beat Platty or Oswego in the conference semifinals.

I think you're right the gap between the 2nd and third place teams in the conference has widened as there is no Geneseo or Fredonia waiting to pounce on Oswego/Plattsburgh for a slip-up like there was between 2005-2007. But the gap between the third place team and the bottom of the conference has decreased a lot making the conference overall stronger and making Oswego and Plattsburgh work harder EVERY night and weekend for the two points than they had to in previous years.

 

[Ozz]

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I think you're right the gap between the 2nd and third place teams in the conference has widened as there is no Geneseo or Fredonia waiting to pounce on Oswego/Plattsburgh for a slip-up like there was between 2005-2007. But the gap between the third place team and the bottom of the conference has increased a lot making the conference overall stronger and making Oswego and Plattsburgh work harder EVERY night and weekend for the two points than they had to in previous years.

VERY well said...You put into words what my mind was telling me. I think my brain is mush today!

 

[93GreatLaker]

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Are you kidding me?? Gone are the years where you walked into Brockport, Cortland, and Buff State and if you won by less then 6 goals it was a moral victory for the opposing team. Dereks not saying that the said teams will beat OSU/PSU on any given night, because 9 times out of 10 they won't...but those 9 games will be a lot closer then 10-15 years ago....

11 years ago Platty outscored its SUNY opponents 94-42, last year it was 81-25. Yeah, a lot has changed in the last 11 years, you have me convinced.

 

[Michael]

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11 years ago Platty outscored its SUNY opponents 94-42, last year it was 81-25. Yeah, a lot has changed in the last 11 years, you have me convinced.

Yeah and it's not like last year's Cardinals were that much better than any other Plattsburgh team.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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11 years ago Platty outscored its SUNY opponents 94-42, last year it was 81-25. Yeah, a lot has changed in the last 11 years, you have me convinced.

Last year's Cards team was arguably the best team in the country on paper and on the ice for most of last season. They were an absolute juggernaut.

Lets wait and see how THIS year's Card's team does in terms of blowing opponents out of the water night in and night out. I dont think you're going to see it often. They simply lost way too much and having seen the increase of competition in the SUNYAC first hand the last four years, it's going to be a very interesting year for New York public school hockey.