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nCoV 2019-2020 Outbreak
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Sounds like a Cuban....voted tD no doubt
Re: nCoV 2019-2020 Outbreak
That's kind of my point. The health care management system should be the ones who are testing everyone that has symptoms, and that gives them the data to track what is going on. That's key for managing something over a large population.
On a personal basis, the flu is the flu- be it common influenza or covoid 19. If either results in me having major problems, then I need to go to the hospital to treat those problems. But specifically knowing that I have influenza or covoid 19 doesn't help me, personally.
If there is a specific treatment for this virus that will deal with it- what is it? Last I checked, there are no treatments for viruses, just treatments for the side effects and symptoms.
Again, my question is more about a person testing themselves vs. the overall healthcare community. One has a HUGE incentive to know what is going on, the other- yea, good to know, we will help if you get really sick.
When I heard that there were federal restrictions on testing people this morning, that is pretty stupid- that just tells me that the people in charge don't want to hear bad news, even though they are tasked with dealing with bad news. Once again, a good example that this group of people are not really competent to govern a country.
That's kind of my point. The health care management system should be the ones who are testing everyone that has symptoms, and that gives them the data to track what is going on. That's key for managing something over a large population.
On a personal basis, the flu is the flu- be it common influenza or covoid 19. If either results in me having major problems, then I need to go to the hospital to treat those problems. But specifically knowing that I have influenza or covoid 19 doesn't help me, personally.
If there is a specific treatment for this virus that will deal with it- what is it? Last I checked, there are no treatments for viruses, just treatments for the side effects and symptoms.
Again, my question is more about a person testing themselves vs. the overall healthcare community. One has a HUGE incentive to know what is going on, the other- yea, good to know, we will help if you get really sick.
When I heard that there were federal restrictions on testing people this morning, that is pretty stupid- that just tells me that the people in charge don't want to hear bad news, even though they are tasked with dealing with bad news. Once again, a good example that this group of people are not really competent to govern a country.
Re: nCoV 2019-2020 Outbreak
sure it helps knowing. If they know it's influenza, there are antiviral drugs that are known to help (especially if given as soon as you show symptoms).
sure it helps knowing. If they know it's influenza, there are antiviral drugs that are known to help (especially if given as soon as you show symptoms).
rufus
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What I've read is that in these clumps of virus outbreaks, doctors have tried a variety of treatments, some have been effective, and some have not.
The problem is, given this administration and their incompetence, is that this information is not being shared. Doctors in Washington may have figured out the most effective methods of treatment, but when cases start erupting in New York, doctors there are starting treatments at zero baseline, running through all the same protocols that the doctors in Washington had tried, and didn't work, until they stumble upon the same ones that did.
All this because the Trump administration is trying to downplay this whole thing, and leave it to the state and local authorities, instead of leading at the federal level.
I would think the more information medical people have, the more cases registered and known about, where those people are and where they've been, the more effective their strategies in fighting it will be.
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Re: nCoV 2019-2020 Outbreak
it would be interesting to know that we have effective treatments for a virus when it kills ~10,000 people every year in this country. Why would anyone sit on that treatment? We spend a whole lot of money on vehicle safety to save fewer people than that.
it would be interesting to know that we have effective treatments for a virus when it kills ~10,000 people every year in this country. Why would anyone sit on that treatment? We spend a whole lot of money on vehicle safety to save fewer people than that.
Re: nCoV 2019-2020 Outbreak
Are they treating the actual virus or the symptoms/side effects to improve survivability?
Back to the point that if you are sick and don't have serious side effect that would need hospitalization, well.... I may be wrong, but I thought many people have gotten COVID19 w/o serious symptoms- just some light nominal flu ones. So as long as I don't need a hospital, on a personal basis, knowing does not help.
On a global basis, that's very different- the hospitals should have more than enough testing kits to be able to monitor everyone so that they can track what is going on. The system (as in all of us taxpayers) should be bearing the burden of testing vs. the individual.
Are they treating the actual virus or the symptoms/side effects to improve survivability?
Back to the point that if you are sick and don't have serious side effect that would need hospitalization, well.... I may be wrong, but I thought many people have gotten COVID19 w/o serious symptoms- just some light nominal flu ones. So as long as I don't need a hospital, on a personal basis, knowing does not help.
On a global basis, that's very different- the hospitals should have more than enough testing kits to be able to monitor everyone so that they can track what is going on. The system (as in all of us taxpayers) should be bearing the burden of testing vs. the individual.
aparch
Acetaminamerican
Having "The Pinto Memo" leak caused that one...
Re: nCoV 2019-2020 Outbreak
No, that movement started well before that. And the Pinto was hardly the only vehicle with that specific design flaw.
Still, the simplified version of my question whether the individual needs to specifically know if they have COVID19....
If you have that specific virus, should you be admitted to a hospital? Is that the best way to contain the total number of deaths?
No, that movement started well before that. And the Pinto was hardly the only vehicle with that specific design flaw.
Still, the simplified version of my question whether the individual needs to specifically know if they have COVID19....
If you have that specific virus, should you be admitted to a hospital? Is that the best way to contain the total number of deaths?
rufus
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You should know so you aren't wandering around infecting half your town.
One of the guys infected from Dartmouth is supposed to be self-quarantining. He went out to some school related social gathering last Friday. Idiot.
Expect the Dartmouth-centered number of cases to increase.
Slap Shot
I got nothing
Re: nCoV 2019-2020 Outbreak
Oliver had a good piece on the issue Sunday night.
In it he said some officials suspect 40-70% of the adult population could become infected. That seems extremely high but there is at least one source/expert on record with that prediction. Even if it's on the low scale of 40% and even if the mortality rate is 1%?
Worse still is that because it's possible that as many as 20% of people infected will never show symptoms it will be difficult to prevent the spread up until a time more initiatives are in place that inspire people to take precautions.
Oliver had a good piece on the issue Sunday night.
In it he said some officials suspect 40-70% of the adult population could become infected. That seems extremely high but there is at least one source/expert on record with that prediction. Even if it's on the low scale of 40% and even if the mortality rate is 1%?
Worse still is that because it's possible that as many as 20% of people infected will never show symptoms it will be difficult to prevent the spread up until a time more initiatives are in place that inspire people to take precautions.
Re: nCoV 2019-2020 Outbreak
How is that different than influenza WRT spreading it around?
Still, it's far more important for the health care profession group know than an individual. Which is where the burden of testing should lie.
How is that different than influenza WRT spreading it around?
Still, it's far more important for the health care profession group know than an individual. Which is where the burden of testing should lie.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: nCoV 2019-2020 Outbreak
Now let's not be too hasty...
<img src="https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/269025/09-12-pong-04.jpg" height=300 >
Now let's not be too hasty...
<img src="https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/269025/09-12-pong-04.jpg" height=300 >
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FadeToBlack&Gold
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rufus
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Cause the mortality rate of this is so much higher. Are you some sort of frickin' idiot? You need this spelled out for you?
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Re: nCoV 2019-2020 Outbreak
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Oh, well, that should do it. Great work, everyone. <a href="https://t.co/uNO67moufw">https://t.co/uNO67moufw</a></p>— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) <a href="https://twitter.com/KevinMKruse/status/1235276672846438400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Oh, well, that should do it. Great work, everyone. <a href="https://t.co/uNO67moufw">https://t.co/uNO67moufw</a></p>— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) <a href="https://twitter.com/KevinMKruse/status/1235276672846438400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Russell Jaslow
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Re: nCoV 2019-2020 Outbreak
Didn't someone else post that other countries are testing 10,000 people a day? A day!
Didn't someone else post that other countries are testing 10,000 people a day? A day!
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Yep. We suck and blow at science.
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Waste of money when you can just pray
leswp1
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Re: nCoV 2019-2020 Outbreak
-you aren't an island, it is very important to know if COVID is happening-
-the gubmint is a giant CF when it comes to this.
This sort of info was out there a lot in the previous Administration. This Administration is a black hole for info. They are the antithesis of what should occur for public health. IIMHO the number of flu deaths is directly related to the lack of initiative shown for prevention. We have less accessible health care, less publicity regarding immunization. The effectiveness of any immunization isn't just how it works on a person but how much herd immunity is present. Less immunization means more pressure on the immune system.
All this shows a total lack of leadership on the part of the COVID Confusion Czar and the HHS. This info should be saturating the media of all sorts. Instead they have multiple campaigns of misinformation and the DUmp still trying to pedal the nonsense of meds and a vaccine soon.
That drives me crazy. As a culture we have been subjugated into total stupidness re calling in sick. I had daycares who told my febrile patients that my note saying stay out wasn't good because everyone was infected anyway. I used to tell pts to make sure to go close to the boss, and make sure their symptoms were evident and if possible make sure to touch the phone and the keyboard (joking but not really).
-as someone else posted influenza has a treatment. Influenza and COVID behave differently so it would make a difference re advice and treatment
-you aren't an island, it is very important to know if COVID is happening-
-the gubmint is a giant CF when it comes to this.
There has been some evidence that certain antivirals may be effective. As more data points are available I think you might see some recommendations but it is really a Hail Mary pass
There has been medication for flu for years. It was over-used and resistance occurred that turned out to be quite significant. New med is out now- costly. Has side effects. Costly is the key- insurance doesn't want to pay.
This sort of info was out there a lot in the previous Administration. This Administration is a black hole for info. They are the antithesis of what should occur for public health. IIMHO the number of flu deaths is directly related to the lack of initiative shown for prevention. We have less accessible health care, less publicity regarding immunization. The effectiveness of any immunization isn't just how it works on a person but how much herd immunity is present. Less immunization means more pressure on the immune system.
If you have COVID you need to be identified and if you are medically compromised then you are admitted. We do not have the capacity to hospitalize and quarantine every patient. That is why Wuhan had so many problems. You self quarantine and wait to be better unless you are medically in trouble.
All this shows a total lack of leadership on the part of the COVID Confusion Czar and the HHS. This info should be saturating the media of all sorts. Instead they have multiple campaigns of misinformation and the DUmp still trying to pedal the nonsense of meds and a vaccine soon.
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