NCAA Semifinal: Plattsburgh vs. Norwich

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

Re: NCAA Semifinal: Plattsburgh vs. Norwich

It is $32 for separate tickets, with a $5 discount for those fair weather fans willing to take a chance their team wins Friday. The Herb Brooks Arena seats 10,000 people, rest assured, the NCAA penny counter$ are charging the Optimal price.

It is funny that $ signs can't be used as "s" in assured.

That, and peddler is comparing it Norwich... which I believe is at the top end of pricing for regular season home games in DIII.

 

[peddler]

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And isn't it telling that we're now saying that Leis is to be tapped as the #1 goalie? In the early part of the season, many Plattsburgh fans were calling for Leis' head, and declaring Williams to be the #1. I myself was a guilty party. And yet here we are. Says quite a bit about Emery's coaching (hint-hint) that he waited, and now it's obvious that Williams would have been a bad call.

Many teams would give a lot to have this discussion. 2 FR goalies in the top 10 - it's a tough life

 

[norm1909]

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Many teams would give a lot to have this discussion. 2 FR goalies in the top 10 - it's a tough life

It is Emery (and Plattsburgh's historical record).

 

[peddler]

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That, and peddler is comparing it Norwich... which I believe is at the top end of pricing for regular season home games in DIII.

True. I paid $2 LESS to watch them in the QF

 

[Dyce]

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Emery's comments on Behind the Bench were predictably helpful on the matter. Following Ducky's taking "I'm not even going to bother asking" tack: "The dress list goes up on Friday"

Some very interesting commentary from Emery on the Middlebury game and other subjects, though - very pleased with Plattsburgh's breakouts, still quite frustrated about the team's chronic problems putting the puck on the dang net even if they're cycling like the Globetrotters, stuff like that. For any possibly interested Norwich fans (and Plattsburgh fans who haven't heard the show before), you can access the archived program via the "Behind the Bench" link on the left side of the WIRY.COM homepage if you're willing to put up with RealAudio.

 

[peddler]

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It is $32 for separate tickets, with a $5 discount for those fair weather fans willing to take a chance their team wins Friday. The Herb Brooks Arena seats 10,000 people, rest assured, the NCAA penny counter$ are charging the Optimal price.

It is funny that $ signs can't be used as "s" in assured.

Last time I looked $32 - $5 = $27. HBA doesn't come close to holding 10k, and previous posts (by those more informed) would indicate the D3 attendance record there is 5-6k? So half don't show for a 4pm game, that might make a 7:30 start?

2,500 (and that's a huge stretch) x 27 = $ 67,500? To an organization which has annual revenues of over $700,000,000? I don't buy that it's such a big deal.

 

[norm1909]

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Last time I looked $32 - $5 = $27. HBA doesn't come close to holding 10k, and previous posts (by those more informed) would indicate the D3 attendance record there is 5-6k? So half don't show for a 4pm game, that might make a 7:30 start?

2,500 (and that's a huge stretch) x 27 = $ 67,500? To an organization which has annual revenues of over $700,000,000? I don't buy that it's such a big deal.

Did you forget they (the NCAA) forsaked good sportsmanship and instead of flying a team, forced St Norbert into a Play-In? (A savings over the bus fare of FAR less than even $67,500).

The 10,000 Seat number comes from here:

2010 NCAA Division III Men's Hockey Championship Tickets
For the second straight year, SUNY Plattsburgh and the Olympic Regional Development Authority will co-host the national tournament semifinals and finals at 10,000-seat 1980 Rink at Herb Brooks Arena in Lake Placid, N.Y., site of the 1932 and 1980 Winter Olympic Games. The dates are March 19-20, 2010. For ticket information, phone ORDA at (518) 523-3330.

Though it is likely, that 7,700 is more likely the actual seating capacity - says this "should know" site.

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

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Did you forget they (the NCAA) forsaked good sportsmanship and instead of flying a team, forced St Norbert into a Play-In? (A savings over the bus fare of FAR less than even $67,500).

The 10,000 Seat number comes from here:

And yet ORDA says:

Every year the 7,700-seat 1980 Rink Herb Brooks Arena (named after the Miracle on Ice coach) hosts national and international figure skating competitions, USA Hockey events, Smuckers' Stars on Ice and other special events.

As Jaslow said earlier today, always trust ORDA when it comes to the Olympic Center.

 

[peddler]

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The 10,000 Seat number comes from here:[/QUOTE]

And this "the 7,700-seat 1980 Rink Herb Brooks Arena" comes from here: http://www.whiteface.com/facilities/oc.php I never said they didn't exaggerate!

 

[Dyce]

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Did you forget they (the NCAA) forsaked good sportsmanship and instead of flying a team, forced St Norbert into a Play-In? (A savings over the bus fare of FAR less than even $67,500).

The 10,000 Seat number comes from here:


Though it is likely, that 7,700 is more likely the actual seating capacity - says this "should know" site.

The most oft-repeated number I find for Herb Brooks Arena based on reputable sites from a quick Google-scan is 7700, so I'm guessing that's the genuine number. However, it's one of those old school Plattsburgh/Elmira-type capacities that appears to have been surpassed pretty severely at times (this article on the rink's dedication states 11,000ish for the Miracle on Ice).

But getting past the minutiae to the main argument, Norm is (unfortunately for DIII hockey) absolutely justified in both his cynicism and reasoning regarding the scheduling of the games. As counterintuitive as it seems for an organization as huge as the NCAA to penny-pinch as ludicrously as it does for an event as relatively small as the DIII hockey championship, absolutely every action they take (including the example he cited) indicates they do just that.

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

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The most oft-repeated number I find for Herb Brooks Arena based on reputable sites from a quick Google-scan is 7700, so I'm guessing that's the genuine number. However, it's one of those old school Plattsburgh/Elmira-type capacities that appears to have been surpassed pretty severely at times (this article on the rink's dedication states 11,000ish for the Miracle on Ice).

But getting past the minutiae to the main argument, Norm is (unfortunately for DIII hockey) absolutely justified in both his cynicism and reasoning regarding the scheduling of the games. As counterintuitive as it seems for an organization as huge as the NCAA to penny-pinch as ludicrously as it does for an event as relatively small as the DIII hockey championship, absolutely every action they take (including the example he cited) indicates they are just that.

Correct. And the reason for that? They want this blasted DIII thing to break even, so it will pay for itself without cutting into their DI Basketball and FBS Football fund, so they can focus that money on those particular sports, so those sports will continue to earn them that money.

 

[Old Rook NU'66]

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Kyle Thomas is the best freshman hockey player I have seen in a very long time. All the tools...Really wonder how he ended up at Wick and not D-I somewhere.

The funny thing is that sounds exactly like what folks said about Keith Aucoin and Kurtis McClean, e.g. "How come they ended up at Norwich instead of at some Division I school?" Just dumb luck I guess but it is kind of cool huh?

Actually there are a number of DIII programs (Middlebury, Oswego, Norwich, Platty, SNC, etc.) that I am sure a number of superb hockey players have opted for in lieu of some Division I program going no where. Actually, its not unlike the argument of why some DIII programs don't move up to be "Tail End Charlie" in some DI Conference. No?

 

[norm1909]

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The most oft-repeated number I find for Herb Brooks Arena based on reputable sites from a quick Google-scan is 7700, so I'm guessing that's the genuine number. However, it's one of those old school Plattsburgh/Elmira-type capacities that appears to have been surpassed pretty severely at times (this article on the rink's dedication states 11,000ish for the Miracle on Ice).

But getting past the minutiae to the main argument, Norm is (unfortunately for DIII hockey) absolutely justified in both his cynicism and reasoning regarding the scheduling of the games. As counterintuitive as it seems for an organization as huge as the NCAA to penny-pinch as ludicrously as it does for an event as relatively small as the DIII hockey championship, absolutely every action they take (including the example he cited) indicates they do just that.

I am wondering if there are 7,700 SEATS, and 2,300 SRO's?

 

[peddler]

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Did you forget they (the NCAA) forsaked good sportsmanship and instead of flying a team, forced St Norbert into a Play-In? (A savings over the bus fare of FAR less than even $67,500).

Norm, you won't find me defending the choices the committee made, the ill logic of the bracket-filling, an 11 team playoff structure, or their (NCAA) decision to make St Norbert participate in a play-in game. I just don't think that the driving force behind EVERY decision they make is entirely about money.

With 35+ traveling members of any D3 team, the cost of leasing a single bus, and the cost of short-haul commercial airfares (never mind the frickin "bag fees" , how much "FAR less" do you really think it was?

 

[NUProf]

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2,500 (and that's a huge stretch) x 27 = $ 67,500? To an organization which has annual revenues of over $700,000,000? I don't buy that it's such a big deal.

They spend a miniscule amount on DIII.

Here are some interesting figures from the NCAA

NCAA DIVISION III BUDGET ALLOCATIONS—3.18% OF NCAA OPERATING BUDGET
(Source: NCAA Division III Financial Statements)

Meanwhile, in all three divisions, there are a total of 418,345 athletes
of which 163,211 are DIII athletes. That is 39% of all NCAA athletes.

 

[norm1909]

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Norm, you won't find me defending the choices the committee made, the ill logic of the bracket-filling, an 11 team playoff structure, or their (NCAA) decision to make St Norbert participate in a play-in game. I just don't think that the driving force behind EVERY decision they make is entirely about money.

With 35+ traveling members of any D3 team, the cost of leasing a single bus, and the cost of short-haul commercial airfares (never mind the frickin "bag fees" , how much "FAR less" do you really think it was?

You are right, when there is very little to no money in it, they then go to "secondary criteria", that is when they do something right.

Also, this interesting Herb Brooks Arena/Lake Placid story, puts the capacity at 8,200 and a security stopping limit at 12,000!

The last minute fares (midwest airports to BTV) are about $500 round trip ($17,000), my guess is that an "Official Travel Partner" would have contracted the package at $10,000 or less, plus use of the NCAA logo. With over night charter buses costing about $1,000 a day, it likely would have cost about $7,500 more to fly versus bus.

 

[PuckVoice]

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Interesting story on the TV News Monday night ... MUMPS on the Plattsburgh campus!
Has Bobby gotten the boys vaccinated?

 

[peddler]

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this interesting Herb Brooks Arena/Lake Placid story[/URL], puts the capacity at 8,200 and a security stopping limit at 12,000!

Interesting story. When I was in the building 2 days later, there were more believers, and none of us cared how many seats the building had, as long as we had one.

 

[peddler]

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Interesting story on the TV News Monday night ... MUMPS on the Plattsburgh campus!
Has Bobby gotten the boys vaccinated?

Hope so....don't want no excuses later

No Bias here either

 

[PuckVoice]

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The number I've always heard in connection to seating capacity at the Olympic Center (Herb Brooks Arena) has been 8,200.
I think that is 6,000 in the lower bowl and 2,200 in the upper deck.