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MOVIES: New Ideas Welcome!

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St. Clown said:
I vaguely recall a similar incident to this, when someone in the military accidentally dropped a nuclear bomb with an unarmed warhead on one of the Carolinas. It's a foggy memory, so something's probably wrong in that one sentence o' mine.
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I read an article that it's still stuck in the mud off the coast or in some tidal flats.
 
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SJHovey said:
I know Kep is always posting "Nuke the South", and along that line there is an excellent documentary out right now called Command and Control, about the time in 1980 where we very nearly did just that. I saw the movie last night on PBS. Not sure if it was released in the theaters or not, but I recommend it.
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Still too close to civilization. I'm thinkin' one on Chattanooga and a second on Dallas.
 
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St. Clown said:
I vaguely recall a similar incident to this, when someone in the military accidentally dropped a nuclear bomb with an unarmed warhead on one of the Carolinas. It's a foggy memory, so something's probably wrong in that one sentence o' mine.
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They actually mention that incident in the doc. They touch on a couple broken arrows, but focus on Damascus, AR.
 
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It's a trap!

Denis Villeneuve has said that adapting Dune is his dream, but that it would never happen. Now he’s been officially hired to make the first in a series of Dune movies for Legendary Pictures. We wish him all the luck in Arrakis.

It’s not that we don’t think he could do a good job. If there’s one thing Villleneuve has proven—especially with his last movie, Arrival—it’s that he can make a great science fiction film. It’s more that Dune has proven notoriously difficult to adapt. Like it’s alive and doesn’t want it.
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If anybody can do it he can, but he can't because nobody can.

This is like Foundation. Just let it alone.
 
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Not having read the book (and never seeing the original movie but being aware it flopped) what makes it so "unadaptable" to the big screen?
 
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Slap Shot said:
Not having read the book (and never seeing the original movie but being aware it flopped) what makes it so "unadaptable" to the big screen?
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A lot of it is in the minds of the characters. It is also apparently very difficult to get the right balance of Space Opera and Homeric Epic through Hollywood -- you start with Tolkien and you wind up with, well, Peter Jackson.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, but in the case of Dune the theology and philosophy are such an important part of the book that dumbing them down would be a tragedy and omitting them and just doing the usual Big Screen Tween Show would be something but not Dune (c.f., Ender's Game).

I hesitate to say it, but Dune may just be too smart to film, unless you do it by indirection and implication like Tarkovsky, but nobody's going to watch that.

It would be particularly interesting to do Dune now because it's in the same zip code as radical Islam. But in such cases the superpower should not clop their cloddish feet all over it. Let the Arabs try it. Maybe they'll produce something mystically beautiful.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
http://www.dunenovels.com/

There's a lot of books. Appears Herbert did 6 Dune Novels and Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson have done 14 additional. So, you're saying just read the first one?
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I'm saying I read the first one and IMO it's on the SF Rushmore*, and I read part of the second one and it blew, and even defenders of Herbert say they drop off a cliff after that.

But you must read Dune. It's required reading for anyone who loves SF.

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First Team

Dune
Foundation
Ringworld
Gateway

Second Team

The Left Hand of Darkness
Ender's Game
A Canticle for Liebowitz
Stranger in a Strange Land
 
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Kepler said:
A lot of it is in the minds of the characters. It is also apparently very difficult to get the right balance of Space Opera and Homeric Epic through Hollywood -- you start with Tolkien and you wind up with, well, Peter Jackson.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, but in the case of Dune the theology and philosophy are such an important part of the book that dumbing them down would be a tragedy and omitting them and just doing the usual Big Screen Tween Show would be something but not Dune (c.f., Ender's Game).

I hesitate to say it, but Dune may just be too smart to film, unless you do it by indirection and implication like Tarkovsky, but nobody's going to watch that.

It would be particularly interesting to do Dune now because it's in the same zip code as radical Islam. But in such cases the superpower should not clop their cloddish feet all over it. Let the Arabs try it. Maybe they'll produce something mystically beautiful.
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Maybe better as a short TV mini-series a la The Night Manager, IT...
 
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Slap Shot said:
Maybe better as a short TV mini-series a la The Night Manager, IT...
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That would be the way to do it, yes. Look at how well Westworld delivered.

I have long thought that style is the only way to make Foundation work. I don't care about Dune, but if they lobotomize Foundation I will burn Hollywood to the ground. It's too good for them.

(I'd once have said the same thing about Ender's Game but with Card being such a jackas-s fair f-cks to them.)
 
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Slap Shot said:
Maybe better as a short TV mini-series a la The Night Manager, IT...
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Dune would make a great 10 part series on HBO or Starz or something. Cannot be done as a 2 hour movie. There's just too much subtle stuff going on, stuff that you can't cut out without leaving you just the barest skeleton of a story. Like the first Dune movie.

I think I started watching the Syfy adaptation, but don't think I ever saw tghe entire thing. Some say it's better than the movie, and others say it's even worse.
 
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rufus said:
Dune would make a great 10 part series on HBO or Starz or something. Cannot be done as a 2 hour movie. There's just too much subtle stuff going on, stuff that you can't cut out without leaving you just the barest skeleton of a story. Like the first Dune movie.

I think I started watching the Syfy adaptation, but don't think I ever saw tghe entire thing. Some say it's better than the movie, and others say it's even worse.
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Any DeLorentis movie will be a disaster of Irwin Allen proportions. The SyFy adaptation was not bad.
 
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