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MOVIES: New Ideas Welcome!

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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Sorry, but if someone gets fired because they Tweet "Kill the fags", that is their problem.

Also - Book of Mormon? That's a musical, FWIW.
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It wasn't Book Of Mormon. It was some small college play, that even forewarned the audience that they WILL be offended. Still didn't keep away the snowflakes.
 
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Slap Shot said:
I'm not defending anyone that cries, "I'm offended" I hate that, but I'm saying actions can have consequences and whining, "You're being intolerant toward my intolerance" is a completely ignorant battle cry. Mary Facebook losing her job for a racist post was most likely a business decision and she earned it. Intolerant? Too bad. Last time I checked Lampanelli is still performing. Louis CK has a ton of jokes you just know snowflakes find offensive and yet he's completely thriving. Again I completely doubt any careers were ruined only because of an offensive joke or two and it's a topic that completely disinterests me. People have been "offended" for generations, but also think about what entertainers get away with today compared with the 60's and prior. If anything we're light years more, "anything goes" than at any time ever before.
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How many apologies have we heard in the past few years, due to offended people? Yeah, we all know they are fake PR apologies, but IMO the offenders shouldn't have had to apologize in the first place.
 
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I'm not defending anyone that cries, "I'm offended", but I'm saying actions can have consequences and whining, "You're being intolerant toward my intolerance" is a completely ignorant battle cry. Mary Facebook losing her job for a racist post was most likely a business decision and she earned it. Intolerant? Too bad. Last time I checked Lampanelli is still performing. Louis CK has a ton of jokes you just know snowflakes find offensive and yet he's completely thriving. Again I completely doubt any careers were ruined only because of an offensive joke or two and it's a topic that completely disinterests me. People have been "offended" for generations, but also think about what entertainers get away with today compared with the 60's and prior. If anything we're light years more, "anything goes" than at any time ever before.
 
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Brenthoven said:
How many apologies have we heard in the past few years, due to offended people? Yeah, we all know they are fake PR apologies, but IMO the offenders shouldn't have had to apologize in the first place.
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In the grand scheme of things so freaking what?
 
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Gilbert Gottfried got fired from AFLAC because he made joke, very shortly after the disaster, about the Fukushima disaster. The catch is that AFLAC does a large amount of business in Japan. Gottfried was fine as a comedian to make that joke, just not great for business.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
Gilbert Gottfried got fired from AFLAC because he made joke, very shortly after the disaster, about the Fukushima disaster. The catch is that AFLAC does a large amount of business in Japan. Gottfried was fine as a comedian to make that joke, just not great for business.
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He was also ripped for 9-11 jokes at a Comedy Central Roast. Just about killed his career at that point. THANKFULLY, he recovered by telling the Aristocrats joke. ;) Imagine that. Tells a MORE tasteless joke to save himself.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
I'm more relating to the movie and it's message. Like the review I quoted and linked, it's a one sided message. Look at who is featured in the movie:

Penn Jillette: A white, male, atheist, libertarian and self proclaimed skeptic.

Gilbert Gottfried: A white, male, Jewish, libertarian who has been fired from various roles due to jokes he has made.

Adam Carolla: A white, male, atheist/agnostic, libertarian who has been the subject of many controversies including losing affiliates for jokes he's made.

Jim Norton: A white, male, atheist, libertarian/Republican who has been the subject of numerous controversies due to remarks he's made.

Are we sensing a pattern here? Kep is right, this is mostly MRA type white guys who are upset that people are calling out their BS. There's not anything "edgy" in saying "all Hawaiians are dumb" or "sex tours and Pacqiao are all the Philippines have." They're just dumb. Sure some people find it funny but don't act all hurt when somebody says "that's offensive."

Basically, you have Freedom of Speech, just not Freedom from consequences.
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Yes I am seeing a lot of social media warriors attacking a lot of them for jokes they made cause they are precious little snowflakes.

BTW Gottfried got in trouble because of the 9/11 joke he made not the other stuff.

No one is saying they shouldnt lose their jobs...hell even they mostly say they understand that they just think it is stupid. It isnt like they are suing over it most of the time.

Or do they not have the freedom to think it is ridiculous they lose a job because a joke hurt someone's feeling?
 
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Brenthoven said:
The counter argument (which was pointed out), is that the audience KNOWS what to expect, and still go. I watched a David Cross special a while ago. He's a tremendously clever and abrasive comic, for those that don't know. One person got up and walked out due to a joke. He flat out said, (paraphrasing) "There are hundreds of my clips on youtube, the internet, etc, and you're SURPRISED and offended at my jokes? Do some research before you buy a ticket! You know I make offensive jokes!"
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Or the comic who had a person walk out and when the comic asked why the guy said "I am a dad and I brought my son here and he doesnt need to hear this". The comic responded "you brought your son to a comic club at night?" Perfect response.

If you dont like it, dont watch it.
 
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Slap Shot said:
I'm not seeing any real examples of free speech actually being infringed upon.
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No everyone is being allowed to speak...some people are legislating taste though more than worrying about speech. It isnt illegal just kinda lame :)
 
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Brenthoven said:
Opinions cannot be "wrong." Facts can be wrong. Opinions can be misguided, sure. Without a doubt. Gilbert Gottfreid got fired from AFLAC for making a tasteless joke. I think to myself, do you realize what Gilbert built his career on? Lisa Lampenelli (sp?) is another one. You go to her show, you should know what you're getting into. Yet, some still go and yell "that's offensive!"

NO SH* SHERLOCK. That's her bit. Don't like it? Don't buy a ticket. Comics are now dancing around or avoiding subjects simply because a small minority shout at the top of their lungs. I wish I could remember the black comic that brought this up, might have even been Chris Rock:

Black people can tell black jokes. But if a white person tells the same joke.....other white people think, "What is he doing?! Doesn't he know that there's one of them right...over...there?"
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Opinions can be wrong. If you say "in my opinion the sky is green" you are in fact wrong.
 
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Getting this thread back on track.....saw Hidden Figures tonight. Outstanding movie. Timely, too. Good performances all around. Highly recommend it.
 
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Handyman said:
Or the comic who had a person walk out and when the comic asked why the guy said "I am a dad and I brought my son here and he doesnt need to hear this". The comic responded "you brought your son to a comic club at night?" Perfect response.

If you dont like it, dont watch it.
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Did that dad protest, heckle, make a sign, disrupt the performance, start a campaign, try to get the comedian black-balled or fired - or did he simply exercise his right to leave? Not saying he wasn't an idiot for bringing a kid to a comedy but this is not a really good example at all. :)
 
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