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MN Golden Gopher 2010 Offseason Thread

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Meh. AWAL/AWOL is a common mistake. Irritating, but common.

What really bugs me is how people use it in these situations. Since when does someone need official leave to stop posting? Yes, I take things too literally at times, I know.
 
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state of hockey said:
Meh. AWAL/AWOL is a common mistake. Irritating, but common.

What really bugs me is how people use it in these situations. Since when does someone need official leave to stop posting? Yes, I take things too literally at times, I know.
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If SCSU euro and Johnny Pohl fan had any idea how difficult it really is to get a leave chit approved by a chain of command they probably wouldn't use that acronym. Which invites the question, what is the chain of command on the fan forum?
 
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cross cheque said:
If SCSU euro and Johnny Pohl fan had any idea how difficult it really is to get a leave chit approved by a chain of command they probably wouldn't use that acronym. Which invites the question, what is the chain of command on the fan forum?
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I am Commander of being Happy. Dirty is in charge of getting me some cupcakes. after that, it's all up in the air.
 
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willythekid said:
this coming from someone who has a quote stating that the goofs are elite at anything in his post.... I'm sure you still have it up there to make everyone smile:)
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Yo, farm boy I didn't say the Gophers were elite everybody else is saying. Sheez.
 
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4four4 said:
Yo, farm boy I didn't say the Gophers were elite everybody else is saying. Sheez.
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Sorry to offend you hip hop, my point being maybe you should find a different quote one of these days....unless you are doing it strictly for comedic value, in which that quote is perfect.
 
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willythekid said:
Sorry to offend you hip hop, my point being maybe you should find a different quote one of these days....unless you are doing it strictly for comedic value, in which that quote is perfect.
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Three mediocre years doesn't make a program any less "elite". The last such stretch preceeded two national titles - which by the way - were won more recently than your program's last one.

The lesson is this: don't get complacent. A few key injuries/departures could mess up your program for awhile, too.
 
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willythekid said:
Sorry to offend you hip hop, my point being maybe you should find a different quote one of these days....unless you are doing it strictly for comedic value, in which that quote is perfect.
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If others still want to give Minnesota the elite status I am not a type of person to stop them but the fact of the matter is programs have their ups and downs.

BTW, when was the last time your program (sorry NDSU doesn't have one) won a national title and more importantly were you old enough to cheer for them?
 
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Bakunin said:
Three mediocre years doesn't make a program any less "elite". The last such stretch preceeded two national titles - which by the way - were won more recently than your program's last one.

The lesson is this: don't get complacent. A few key injuries/departures could mess up your program for awhile, too.
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You have to indulge those of us boneheads who are having a little fun with this. We all know Minn has an absolutely top college hockey tradition and has been an elite program in recent years as well. That's why poking fun is fun.

The only part that would give me some concern as a gopher fan is the possibility that the program may be perceived by some at the next level as not developing players as well as they should. Despite a some isolated comments, it's a bit of a reach to conclude that is true (the perception) without having pretty intimate access to those whose job it is to know such things. Few if any of us do, I'd guess. All good programs lose some of their best talent to the pros from time to time, and they all experience periods where wins do not come easy. But if there is a perception of inadequate development, even if mistaken, it is bound to affect recruiting--and that would bring some pain.

I actually still think gopher fans might be in for some underdog fun this year. You'll have a team that needs to work to win and a chance to make us boneheads eat crow.
 
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SCSU Euro said:
Actually, its not.

AWAL: Absent Without Authorized Leave
AWOL: Absent WithOut Leave

Its like DUI/DWI or axe/ax, depending on where you are, one or both are acceptable.
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To be honest, I've never heard AWAL.

The DUI/DWI I've heard, and still am sorta confused on what the "official/legal" ruling is, since I've only heard DWI as the legal conclusion, even though in layman's terms it's been either/or.
 
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SCSU Euro said:
Actually, its not.

AWAL: Absent Without Authorized Leave
AWOL: Absent WithOut Leave

Its like DUI/DWI or axe/ax, depending on where you are, one or both are acceptable.
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Never heard of it being AWAL either. The only debate I have heard of is if it is Absent WithOut Leave, or Absent Without Official Leave.
 
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But if there is a perception of inadequate development, even if mistaken, it is bound to affect recruiting--and that would bring some pain.
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It's already brought plenty of pain by disrupting the roster as guys leave early due to their pro teams not wanting to risk poor development at MN. I don't know if it'll impact who is willing to play here - if nothing else, they can play their one token season on a scholarship and then bolt like so many others have done before them. The real question is what Lucia plans to do to counter this perception and minimize further damage via his recruiting choices. The vast majority of the time, a player - no matter how talented - simply won't be having a significant impact as a freshman. So if there's a high risk of a guy bolting after one season, I think it might make more sense to look elsewhere - since a slightly less-talented player will have a much greater impact far more often than not should he play for 3-4 seasons.

I actually still think gopher fans might be in for some underdog fun this year. You'll have a team that needs to work to win and a chance to make us boneheads eat crow.
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It's only "fun" if the team plays with a purpose / is motivated. The bulk of last season was listless crap with boneheaded mistakes and a lack of desire to go to the corners/the net as well as play with a spine in their own end. You'd have to go back to the last half of the '07-'08 season to find a continued stretch of effort/edge when it was clear the team knew what it needed to do to win games (play gritty and keep the game low-scoring).
 
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burd said:
You have to indulge those of us boneheads who are having a little fun with this. We all know Minn has an absolutely top college hockey tradition and has been an elite program in recent years as well. That's why poking fun is fun.

The only part that would give me some concern as a gopher fan is the possibility that the program may be perceived by some at the next level as not developing players as well as they should. Despite a some isolated comments, it's a bit of a reach to conclude that is true (the perception) without having pretty intimate access to those whose job it is to know such things. Few if any of us do, I'd guess. All good programs lose some of their best talent to the pros from time to time, and they all experience periods where wins do not come easy. But if there is a perception of inadequate development, even if mistaken, it is bound to affect recruiting--and that would bring some pain.

I actually still think gopher fans might be in for some underdog fun this year. You'll have a team that needs to work to win and a chance to make us boneheads eat crow.
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I agree. The Gophers team is still loaded with young talent. All of these low expectations for this season may be exactly what this young team needs. How your team looks on paper really does not mean anything at the end of the season. However, it is fun for us to speculate to get through the off season.

When it comes down to it, the gophers are in the same boat as DU & UW. All three teams had a lot of high caliber departures. The only real difference is the gophers had a down year last year while DU & UW were at the top. This will just be another year where dirty UNDies feel they are entitled to the top spot in the WCHA. Their roster will be strong, but at the end of the day success is earned. They will have a bullseye on their back all season and every team will be giving them their best.

Good luck this season to all WCHA teams (-UND).
 
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burd said:
The only part that would give me some concern as a gopher fan is the possibility that the program may be perceived by some at the next level as not developing players as well as they should. Despite a some isolated comments, it's a bit of a reach to conclude that is true (the perception) without having pretty intimate access to those whose job it is to know such things.
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I happened to be on the road on Wednesday and caught Ryan Cardinal's interview on KFAN. He made the comment, at least a couple of times, about this unhappiness, or lack of trust, at the NHL level of the current MN program.

I'm certainly no Minnesota fan, but Ryan's comments struck me as a personal opinion without a lot of basis in fact.

The Garth Snow comment is well known, as is Snow's own track record. But I can't say I've heard or read comments from any other NHL executives badmouthing the Minnesota program, or the development of their players. Did I miss something?
 
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SJHovey said:
I happened to be on the road on Wednesday and caught Ryan Cardinal's interview on KFAN. He made the comment, at least a couple of times, about this unhappiness, or lack of trust, at the NHL level of the current MN program.

I'm certainly no Minnesota fan, but Ryan's comments struck me as a personal opinion without a lot of basis in fact.

The Garth Snow comment is well known, as is Snow's own track record. But I can't say I've heard or read comments from any other NHL executives badmouthing the Minnesota program, or the development of their players. Did I miss something?
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You must have missed Tommy Thompson of the Wild throwing Lucia under the bus over Leddy's development. You could argue that helped the Wild trade him away and accelerated the possibility of Leddy leaving this summer.

Montreal also bad mouthed the program over David Fischer's development. David Fischer was let go entirely by Montreal after being their pick in the first round of that years draft.
 
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