What's new
By:
USCHO Fan Forum

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

  • The USCHO Fan Forum has migrated to a new plaform, xenForo. Most of the function of the forum should work in familiar ways. Please note that you can switch between light and dark modes by clicking on the gear icon in the upper right of the main menu bar. We are hoping that this new platform will prove to be faster and more reliable. Please feel free to explore its features.

MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Priceless
  • Start date Start date
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?

on top of that...

Bud Selig has a soft spot for the Brewers, no? Ryan Braun is an MLB Golden Boy in the prime of his career coming off an MVP season. He's a marketable star in a small/mid market city. Him being tagged as a juicer is the LAST thing MLB would want to have happen. So why then has MLB come out and said they vehemently disagree with the overruling? My thought is, despite all the bad it would cause, they truly believe everything was handled on the up and up and that Braun really is guilty. I agree with MLB on this one.
 
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?

J.D. said:
on top of that...

Bud Selig has a soft spot for the Brewers, no? Ryan Braun is an MLB Golden Boy in the prime of his career coming off an MVP season. He's a marketable star in a small/mid market city. Him being tagged as a juicer is the LAST thing MLB would want to have happen. So why then has MLB come out and said they vehemently disagree with the overruling? My thought is, despite all the bad it would cause, they truly believe everything was handled on the up and up and that Braun really is guilty. I agree with MLB on this one.
Click to expand...
The MLB is defending its position because its their system that is in place. Kind of like how the BCS always comes out and says "everything is going as planned", then later go back and try to make changes. I would nearly guarantee the system will now change.

If the suspension was upheld they would have lauded the system as "working".
 
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?

J.D. said:
on top of that...

Bud Selig has a soft spot for the Brewers, no? Ryan Braun is an MLB Golden Boy in the prime of his career coming off an MVP season. He's a marketable star in a small/mid market city. Him being tagged as a juicer is the LAST thing MLB would want to have happen. So why then has MLB come out and said they vehemently disagree with the overruling? My thought is, despite all the bad it would cause, they truly believe everything was handled on the up and up and that Braun really is guilty. I agree with MLB on this one.
Click to expand...
I feel that MLB "vehemently disagrees" because it places a haze over the league and drug testing process.
 
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?

dxmnkd316 said:
Never said the system didn't work. The system did work. This result and Braun being a roider are not mutually exclusive.
Click to expand...
This result and Joe Mauer being are roider are not mutually exclusive either. You want me to go around claiming Mauer is a roider?
 
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?

J.D. said:
on top of that...

Bud Selig has a soft spot for the Brewers, no? Ryan Braun is an MLB Golden Boy in the prime of his career coming off an MVP season. He's a marketable star in a small/mid market city. Him being tagged as a juicer is the LAST thing MLB would want to have happen. So why then has MLB come out and said they vehemently disagree with the overruling? My thought is, despite all the bad it would cause, they truly believe everything was handled on the up and up and that Braun really is guilty. I agree with MLB on this one.
Click to expand...

MLB vehemently disagrees because many players are ALREADY saying - hey, you need to look into that process, because I don't want this to happen to me, and asking how many other players this has happened to. If MLB admitted something could have happened to the specimen and the process is flawed, they would have even less of a leg to stand on regarding steroid testing. They're willing to throw Braun under the bus to try and save some face.

and seriously, if someone from the lab is allowed to take it to his HOUSE for 3 days - how do you not see the potential for trouble in that? MLB is looking worse and worse for continuing to insist Braun is guilty, rather than admitting that yes, perhaps they should review the process and it's possible there was an error with this one, and they're unable to say for sure whether it was valid.

and if I were a player, I would be SERIOUSLY concerned about the breach of privacy and how to make sure it doesn't happen again.
 
Last edited:
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?

<a href="http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/140333483.html">Transcript of Braun's statement today</a>.

Some very interesting points and details.
He also states he can't give too many details because he's considering litigation (as well he should - only 3 people knew whose test it was, and he was one of them? I guess that narrows down the leak). He did make it sound like if he gave ALL the details, it would make the game look bad, even if it would be in his best personal interest.
 
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?

jen said:
<a href="http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/140333483.html">Transcript of Braun's statement today</a>.

Some very interesting points and details.
He also states he can't give too many details because he's considering litigation (as well he should - only 3 people knew whose test it was, and he was one of them? I guess that narrows down the leak). He did make it sound like if he gave ALL the details, it would make the game look bad, even if it would be in his best personal interest.
Click to expand...
uhm, only three people knew it was his sample until the results came back. Once the sample comes back with a hit, as it did, I'm sure the number of people within MLB that knew was larger than 3 people.
 
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?

Shirtless Guy said:
uhm, only three people knew it was his sample until the results came back. Once the sample comes back with a hit, as it did, I'm sure the number of people within MLB that knew was larger than 3 people.
Click to expand...

you're right, I was thinking of the breach then, but obviously it was later.
 
Last edited:
jen said:
and seriously, if someone from the lab is allowed to take it to his HOUSE for 3 days - how do you not see the potential for trouble in that? MLB is looking worse and worse for continuing to insist Braun is guilty, rather than admitting that yes, perhaps they should review the process and it's possible there was an error with this one, and they're unable to say for sure whether it was valid.
Click to expand...

Cannot be overlooked. How on earth do you have a test with these kind of logistical problems and expect to have zero risk for contaminants. Dude has a sample of **** in his fridge for a few days before he sends it in? Where is this, Ireland?

Walter White would not approve.
 
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?

<a href="http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/140342983.html">Braun Q&A after the press conference</a>

Do you believe the test collector tampered with your sample?

“Again, I honestly don’t know what happened to it for that 44-hour period. There are a lot of different things that could have possibly happened. There were a lot of things that we heard about the collection process, the collector and some other people involved in the process that have certainly been concerning to us. But beyond that, as I’ve dealt with this situation, I know what it’s like to be wrongly accused of something and for me to wrongly accuse somebody else of something wouldn’t help anybody.”
Click to expand...
 
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?

jen, you've brought up some good counters to my suspicions, but i can also see your location. let me ask you this...do you think it's possible that braun really was guilty?
 
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?

J.D. said:
jen, you've brought up some good counters to my suspicions, but i can also see your location. let me ask you this...do you think it's possible that braun really was guilty?
Click to expand...
I am a brewers can and I can say I think it's possible. I don't believe he did but I could be wrong.
 
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?

Shirtless Guy said:
I am a brewers can and I can say I think it's possible. I don't believe he did but I could be wrong.
Click to expand...

So it's easier to believe the courier tampered with the sample or some other mysterious anomaly happened than to think a profession athlete took steroids? Hmm...
 
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?

MattS said:
So it's easier to believe the courier tampered with the sample or some other mysterious anomaly happened than to think a profession athlete took steroids? Hmm...
Click to expand...
an independent professional arbiter agrees with that statement.
 
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?

J.D. said:
jen, you've brought up some good counters to my suspicions, but i can also see your location. let me ask you this...do you think it's possible that braun really was guilty?
Click to expand...

of course it's possible. but you better be a hell of a lot more sure than "possible" if you're going to ruin a guy's career and punish his team for 50 games - you better be ABSOLUTELY 100% SURE. Braun's side put enough doubt and variables into the picture, since it was not a "typical" process, and independent arbitrator decided they could not be absolutely sure. that is how the system was designed to work, and it did (except for that "little" breach of privacy thing).

judging by your responses, I don't think you've read the links here or listened to the audio streams. some very interesting comments from others and Braun himself. I got the feeling (suspicion, you might say :p) after watching him yesterday that they DO know what happened to it, but they can't or aren't going to say - yet.


J.D. said:
But that's not to say every arbiter would.
Click to expand...

every arbiter doesn't have to. the one that was mutually agreed upon by the MLBPA and MLB did, and he's the one that makes the decision - as agreed upon by MLBPA and MLB. like somebody else said, it is kind of stupid they only have ONE independent person, but that's what they wanted.
 
Last edited:
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?

jen said:
some very interesting comments from others and Braun himself. I got the feeling (suspicion, you might say :p) after watching him yesterday that they DO know what happened to it, but they can't or aren't going to say - yet.
Click to expand...

Of course they are going to insinuate that. It makes perfect PR sense.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top