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MLB 2010: The Second Half

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GreatLakerMohawk said:
If A-Rod was playing for the Marlins and sitting on 599 homers, they'd still cut away to show it. I hope this isn't lost on you rubes.

Besides, being in Cleveland sucks enough as it is. I mean, this illustrates it all so perfectly.
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I get the 600 bit. I do. But they have overdone the coverage and hype quite a bit, you have to admit.

At least they kept the StL/NYM feed going this time (sans audio), instead of doing a full breakaway.
 
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Brenthoven said:
I get the 600 bit. I do. But they have overdone the coverage and hype quite a bit, you have to admit.

At least they kept the StL/NYM feed going this time (sans audio), instead of doing a full breakaway.
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I might admit to it if I watched ESPN. Ignorance, in this case, is true bliss.
 
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GreatLakerMohawk said:
I might admit to it if I watched ESPN. Ignorance, in this case, is true bliss.
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And I'll catch about a half an hour per night or so of ESPN for highlights and such, to catch up quickly, or if there's a good game on I will watch it, and this is just overbearing at this point. I know I should expect nothing less, but I still have a right to be *ed off. ;)
 
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I don't blame them cutting away for 600 on him being a Yankee. I just thought it was funny that the Yankee announcers couldn't believe that people in Cleveland didn't much care when they were down 8-0 in the eighth and it was 10:40pm. :)
 
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state of hockey said:
I don't blame them cutting away for 600 on him being a Yankee. I just thought it was funny that the Yankee announcers couldn't believe that people in Cleveland didn't much care when they were down 8-0 in the eighth and it was 10:40pm. :)
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Exactly. :)
 
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GreatLakerMohawk said:
If A-Rod was playing for the Marlins and sitting on 599 homers, they'd still cut away to show it. I hope this isn't lost on you rubes.
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I hate when they cut away for stuff like this. If I wanted to see it, I'd watch the game in question. You are right that they're doing this because it's A-Rod and not because he's a Yankee.

Though I don't see them doing this if Jim Thome gets to 599.
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
I hate when they cut away for stuff like this. If I wanted to see it, I'd watch the game in question. You are right that they're doing this because it's A-Rod and not because he's a Yankee.

Though I don't see them doing this if Jim Thome gets to 599.
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Care to make a wager on that?
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
I hate when they cut away for stuff like this. If I wanted to see it, I'd watch the game in question. You are right that they're doing this because it's A-Rod and not because he's a Yankee.

Though I don't see them doing this if Jim Thome gets to 599.
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You forget it would be preceded by a months-long campaign deifying and fellating Thome.

This is ESPN. They don't cover sports, they cover personalities. When there are no personalities, they create them. It's Seventeen for boys.

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GreatLakerMohawk said:
Care to make a wager on that?
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I totally want some of that action too.

Yeah, ESPN is doing this solely because he's a Yankee. It's not that out of the thousands and thousands of people who have played professional baseball in the United States, it's been done by precisely SIX people before.
 
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By the way, if you thought the Hall of Fame steroids debate was already intense... just wait until December when 569 HR, 3,020 hits, and 1,835 RBI isn't a first-ballot Hall of Famer.
 
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Ben Sheets out for the season. Well, that was $10 million well spent! ;)
 
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It was a gamble, he wanted to see him healthy for a half season and then trade him for prospects. It just didn't work out.

Gambles fail from time to time.
 
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jmh said:
Well, they were right next to each other on the screen, and "Burnett" does look a lot like "Beckett". :p
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GreatLakerMohawk said:
One looks like a moon-faced clown, the other is a tattooed inconsistent freak.
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I meant their NAMES. :p
Red Cloud said:
By the way, if you thought the Hall of Fame steroids debate was already intense... just wait until December when 569 HR, 3,020 hits, and 1,835 RBI isn't a first-ballot Hall of Famer.
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It will be an interesting discussion in that some of the members of the BBWAA might have to stray from the intellectually lazy benchmarks they're accustomed to relying on, but if McGwire hasn't gotten in in his first few then I don't see how an inferior hitter has any business going in on his first ballot.

Edit to add: An inferior hitter with essentially the same PED issues, for the sake of comparing apples to apples.
 
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jmh said:
It will be an interesting discussion in that some of the members of the BBWAA might have to stray from the intellectually lazy benchmarks they're accustomed to relying on, but if McGwire hasn't gotten in in his first few then I don't see how an inferior hitter has any business going in on his first ballot.

Edit to add: An inferior hitter with essentially the same PED issues, for the sake of comparing apples to apples.
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An inferior hitter? McGwire's career average was 25 points less and he had almost half the hits in only four less years. An inferior power hitter, perhaps, but not an "inferior hitter."

500 HR and 3000 hits? That's Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, and Eddie Murray. All first ballot hall of famers.
 
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Red Cloud said:
An inferior hitter? McGwire's career average was 25 points less and he had almost half the hits in only four less years. An inferior power hitter, perhaps, but not an "inferior hitter."

500 HR and 3000 hits? That's Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, and Eddie Murray. All first ballot hall of famers.
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Ask the 2010 Kansas City Royals how important batting average is as a measure of actual productivity. McGwire had a 20 point edge in OBP and a 70 point edge in slugging. Yes, McGwire had massively fewer hits (in four fewer seasons, yes, but in 4400 fewer plate appearances), but by 162-game averages the two averaged almost the same number of times on base. The edge in hits is something that people will talk about, but it's not as important as it's cracked up to be.

On the other hand, while McGwire's rate stats are significantly better, there is value in Palmeiro's durability - between 1988 and 2004 he played over 150 games every year except for two (one of them being the strike year), and you if you have McGwire on your team you don't have fictional 162-game construct McGwire, you have injury-prone McGwire who you can count on for more like 120 games. Plus Palmeiro provided some positive value with his glove, which you can't really say about McGwire.

They're different test cases, I suppose, for the PED issue: Palmeiro was very good for a long period of time but was never as good as McGwire in his best years. McGwire is a Kiner/Koufax and Palmeiro is a Murray/Rice (but way better than Jim Rice).
 
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jmh said:
They're different test cases, I suppose, for the PED issue: Palmeiro was very good for a long period of time but was never as good as McGwire in his best years. McGwire is a Kiner/Koufax and Palmeiro is a Murray/Rice (but way better than Jim Rice).
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Maybe so, but outside of McGwire's best 4 seasons (1997-2000) his career looks much more pedestrian. Much more often than not, Hall of Famers do not have years in the middle of their careers like McGwire had from 1989-1991. Go look at those numbers. That's not HOF material there, unless that HOFer is on the wrong side of 40 and at the end of his career.

Mark McGwire was a one-trick pony. His other totals, outside of his homers, are simply not Hall of Fame worthy. Look especially at his doubles totals. Great power hitters average more than 16 doubles a season. 252 doubles over 16 seasons = 15.75.

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The PED issue is a non-issue for me. Baseball looked the other way and now they want to act all sanctimonius about it. No. Baseball allowed it, so now they've got to wear the results. If I had a ballot, Palmeiro, Bonds, Sosa and Clemens all go to Cooperstown. McGwire does not.
 
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