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Minnesota Women's Hockey 2015-2016 (Part 2) -- Amanda Kessel Enhanced

Re: Minnesota Women's Hockey 2015-2016 (Part 2) -- Amanda Kessel Enhanced

Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.

Go Gophers!
Hannah Brandt
Brook Garzone
Amanda Kessel
Amanda Leveille
Milica McMillen

Thanks, it's been a great ride. Hopefully, you can play one more great game, enjoy yourselves and maybe with some good fortune, bring it all home one more time!
 
Re: Minnesota Women's Hockey 2015-2016 (Part 2) -- Amanda Kessel Enhanced

ne7minder said:
To be fair, W beat M with Kessel in the lineup. Yeah, she is a big addition .
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Was there ever anything definitive in the Minn press (you guys sure do like to do articles about UM women's hockey) about how Kessel was able to get this last semester of eligibility, to not have run afoul of the "five year rule"?
 
robertearle said:
Was there ever anything definitive in the Minn press (you guys sure do like to do articles about UM women's hockey) about how Kessel was able to get this last semester of eligibility, to not have run afoul of the "five year rule"?
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She had already been enrolled for the semester and doung very well before she even started skating with the team. She is on track to graduate this spring.

Yes, we do love reading about our team - almost as much as watching them!
 
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ne7minder said:
She had already been enrolled for the semester and doing very well before she even started skating with the team. She is on track to graduate this spring.
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"Enrolled and doing well" doesn't have anything to do with the "five year rule".

I am wondering if there is something to do with her particular (unusual) set of circumstances that allows her a sixth year of time to complete her four years of eligibility. She was a frosh in 2010-2011, right? So her five years should have run out in spring of 2015. There are people who have been given a sixth year - a QB at Oklahoma who had consecutive ACL tears in August comes to mind, whose name I can't come up with at the moment - but it is my understanding that to get a sixth year, the player has to have lost two years to "circumstances beyond their control"; choosing to take a year off to play in the Olympics wouldn't qualify as "beyond her control".

I'm guessing there is something about the awarding of a sixth year that I don't understand, some set of circumstances I am unaware of. And I like to understand. So I was/am looking for the explanation, and was wondering if anyone had seen such an explanation.
 
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robertearle said:
"Enrolled and doing well" doesn't have anything to do with the "five year rule".

I am wondering if there is something to do with her particular (unusual) set of circumstances that allows her a sixth year of time to complete her four years of eligibility. She was a frosh in 2010-2011, right? So her five years should have run out in spring of 2015. There are people who have been given a sixth year - a QB at Oklahoma who had consecutive ACL tears in August comes to mind, whose name I can't come up with at the moment - but it is my understanding that to get a sixth year, the player has to have lost two years to "circumstances beyond their control"; choosing to take a year off to play in the Olympics wouldn't qualify as "beyond her control".

I'm guessing there is something about the awarding of a sixth year that I don't understand, some set of circumstances I am unaware of. And I like to understand. So I was/am looking for the explanation, and was wondering if anyone had seen such an explanation.
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Josephine Pucci had a similar situation last year. One year lost due to concussions, and one year lost due to the Olympics. And yes, waivers are granted routinely for years spent with a national team.
 
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ne7minder said:
Sorry I misunderstood what you were asking. Maybe I'll ask here at rhe victory party

You can bet that she was cleared by the ncaa before she joined

"Get those people back in here! Turn those machines back on!!" - Randolf Duke
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I dug up an article (about a U of Washington basketball player, and why he wasn't going to get a sixth year) that has complete statement (assuming the people who wrote the article got it right) of what circumstances do and do not allow for a sixth year. If Kessel taking the year off for the Olympics was just a variation on a "red shirt" year, as I have been assuming, then I don't see why she's gotten a sixth year; if USA Hockey "forcing" her to take the entire year off was a "circumstance beyond her control", then ... had the Lamarouxs or Hilary Knight or Meggan Duggan been injured before/during the 2010-2011 season, etc, they could have gotten a sixth year as well? Because of the "USA Hockey" exception? Hmmm...

http://blog.thenewstribune.com/uwsp...alified-to-receive-sixth-year-of-eligibility/

(The Oklahoma QB was Jason White.)
 
Re: Minnesota Women's Hockey 2015-2016 (Part 2) -- Amanda Kessel Enhanced

ARM said:
Josephine Pucci had a similar situation last year. One year lost due to concussions, and one year lost due to the Olympics. And yes, waivers are granted routinely for years spent with a national team.
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Thanks.

Are there other sports where this would be applicable? Other sports where "consolidation" (or whatever they call it) happens and would/could become an issue? If not, it is a nice little exception women's hockey has carved out. (Edit: soccer, maybe? Though I'm not sure how many college age players make the national team(s).)
 
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Re: Minnesota Women's Hockey 2015-2016 (Part 2) -- Amanda Kessel Enhanced

Regardless of the banter, this Gophers women's team is as deep a team as we've seen in the sport. It took probably the best goalie the sport has seen ARD to shut them down.

It will come down to just how good BC's defense is. UW is a team that has been developed over the years to counter a perennial high flying Gopher offense. I can't imagine BC will be that solid.
 
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bluffrinkrat said:
Amanda Leveille for President! Alright, change the Constitution then!
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What a great way to end a great career. She played amazing all year, but saved her best for the biggest game of the year. Congratulations, Amanda, and to the entire Gopher Women Hockey team!
 
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robertearle said:
how Kessel was able to get this last semester of eligibility, to not have run afoul of the "five year rule"?
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read the "five year rule" then come back if you have any questions

there is a waiver for service to the country, and apparently playing for the Olympic team is deemed service to the country

the QB you were referring to red shirted by choice, it was his control

I wonder then, would a Canadian, or any other foreigner, not be given this same waiver?

Maybe a UND fan knows why one of their European players was turned down for elligibility.
 
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pokechecker said:
read the "five year rule" then come back if you have any questions

there is a waiver for service to the country, and apparently playing for the Olympic team is deemed service to the country
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The link I posted earlier has (supposedly) the text from the NCAA bylaws; no mention of "service".

Whatever.
 
Re: Minnesota Women's Hockey 2015-2016 (Part 2) -- Amanda Kessel Enhanced

robertearle said:
The link I posted earlier has (supposedly) the text from the NCAA bylaws; no mention of "service".

Whatever.
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that's the problem, depending on media ...

I don't have time to sift thru NCCA rules, but here is a good source, I believe it is for helping Canadian players understand American college rules, which is really important for all hockey players considering many play juniors

A student-athlete shall complete his or her seasons of participation within five calendar years from the beginning of the semester or quarter in which the student-athlete first registered for a minimum full-time program of studies in a collegiate institution, with time spent in the armed services, on official church missions or with recognized foreign aid services of the U.S. government being excepted. For foreign students, service in the armed forces or on an official church mission of the student's home country is considered equivalent to such service in the United States.

so it appears that foreign players can also get this same exemption, if serving their own country
 
Re: Minnesota Women's Hockey 2015-2016 (Part 2) -- Amanda Kessel Enhanced

So am I right? Amanda Kessel is the only player other than a few Bulldog sophomores in 2001 to win an NCAA women's hockey championship in her last 3 years of school.

BC did prevent her in 2011 from possibly winning in all 4 of her playing years.

Added thought, Lee Stecklein could win in all four of her years at the U.
 
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