bigblue_dl
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Re: Minnesota Twins 2014: The Quest for .500
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Minnesota Twins 2014: The Quest for .500
- Thread starter JF_Gophers
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The apologists will try anything
Re: Minnesota Twins 2014: The Quest for .500
And concussions affect people in different ways.
Not saying that's the issue, but can't discount it.
And concussions affect people in different ways.
Not saying that's the issue, but can't discount it.
bigblue_dl
Armed
Re: Minnesota Twins 2014: The Quest for .500
Regardless, he should be batting about 8th, if he makes the lineup at all.
Regardless, he should be batting about 8th, if he makes the lineup at all.
He did bat 2nd tonight.
Re: Minnesota Twins 2014: The Quest for .500
It could also be his back...or that BS "bilateral leg weakness" thing. All I know is that there's something wrong with him.
It could also be his back...or that BS "bilateral leg weakness" thing. All I know is that there's something wrong with him.
JF_Gophers
2147483647
Re: Minnesota Twins 2014: The Quest for .500
Hey but the Twins won a game.
Hey but the Twins won a game.
bigblue_dl
Armed
Re: Minnesota Twins 2014: The Quest for .500
You know who would look good at 1st base? Max Kepler. He's batting over .600 in his last 8 games.
You know who would look good at 1st base? Max Kepler. He's batting over .600 in his last 8 games.
Nowheresville
Registered User
Re: Minnesota Twins 2014: The Quest for .500
Seriously, you want to make an argument that Morneau is even a shell of what he was before his concussion in 2010?
Before the concussion, Morneau had an OPS above 800 every year except once, his 2nd full year in the league when he only had an OPS of 741.
In the 6 years since the concussion, he's been below an 800 OPS every year, except last year, when 5 years after suffering the concussion, he got his OPS back up to 860 in the thin Colorado air. Even this year, before getting hurt, he was back down in the mid-700s.
So yeah, Concussions did hurt Morneau's hitting, a lot.
Seriously, you want to make an argument that Morneau is even a shell of what he was before his concussion in 2010?
Before the concussion, Morneau had an OPS above 800 every year except once, his 2nd full year in the league when he only had an OPS of 741.
In the 6 years since the concussion, he's been below an 800 OPS every year, except last year, when 5 years after suffering the concussion, he got his OPS back up to 860 in the thin Colorado air. Even this year, before getting hurt, he was back down in the mid-700s.
So yeah, Concussions did hurt Morneau's hitting, a lot.
JF_Gophers
2147483647
Re: Minnesota Twins 2014: The Quest for .500
Twins win again.
Twins win again.
With both Mauer and Vargas going deep.
bigblue_dl
Armed
Re: Minnesota Twins 2014: The Quest for .500
He does suck. I don't see how anyone can argue any different. He's got the production of Nicky Punto.
He does suck. I don't see how anyone can argue any different. He's got the production of Nicky Punto.
Slap Shot
I got nothing
Re: Minnesota Twins 2014: The Quest for .500
I don't think anyone is saying that he didn't take a dip, however conversely you act like he fell of the face of the planet. The .773, .741, .860 and .767 he's put together in recent years would rank 35th, 46th, 14th and 36th right now in all of MLB and included a frigging batting title.
I don't think anyone is saying that he didn't take a dip, however conversely you act like he fell of the face of the planet. The .773, .741, .860 and .767 he's put together in recent years would rank 35th, 46th, 14th and 36th right now in all of MLB and included a frigging batting title.
Re: Minnesota Twins 2014: The Quest for .500
I don't think Joe sucks. I think there's something physically wrong with him.
I don't think Joe sucks. I think there's something physically wrong with him.
Nowheresville
Registered User
Re: Minnesota Twins 2014: The Quest for .500
First, you left off the 618 OPS in his first year back from the concussion - which is a pretty important fact, if you're going to argue that, as Dude Love stated, "concussions didn't seem to hurt his hitting too much."
Before the concussion he was putting up OPS numbers of 1055, 878, 873, 834, and 934. He went from an average OPS of .915 in the 5 years before the concussion to and average OPS of .752 in the 5 years after it. I never said he "fell off the face of the planet." what I said, is that he's never been the same as he was before the concussion. A difference of 160 points of OPS is not insignificant, and clearly shows that he has been a significantly different hitter since the concussion.
At best, it took Morneau 4 years, and a move to Colorado's extremely hitter friendly ballpark to even get him back close to the hitter he was before the concussion, and that's the point. There's simply no way to argue, as was posted, "Concussions didn't seem to hurt his hitting too much."
EDIT: Also an interesting note about Morneau's batting title. In the Rockies 22 year history, a Colorado player has won the batting title 9 times! That's a full 40% of all NL Batting titles since 1993! 7 different Rockies players have won the award, with Larry Walker being the only one to repeat the feat, winning it 3 times.
First, you left off the 618 OPS in his first year back from the concussion - which is a pretty important fact, if you're going to argue that, as Dude Love stated, "concussions didn't seem to hurt his hitting too much."
Before the concussion he was putting up OPS numbers of 1055, 878, 873, 834, and 934. He went from an average OPS of .915 in the 5 years before the concussion to and average OPS of .752 in the 5 years after it. I never said he "fell off the face of the planet." what I said, is that he's never been the same as he was before the concussion. A difference of 160 points of OPS is not insignificant, and clearly shows that he has been a significantly different hitter since the concussion.
At best, it took Morneau 4 years, and a move to Colorado's extremely hitter friendly ballpark to even get him back close to the hitter he was before the concussion, and that's the point. There's simply no way to argue, as was posted, "Concussions didn't seem to hurt his hitting too much."
EDIT: Also an interesting note about Morneau's batting title. In the Rockies 22 year history, a Colorado player has won the batting title 9 times! That's a full 40% of all NL Batting titles since 1993! 7 different Rockies players have won the award, with Larry Walker being the only one to repeat the feat, winning it 3 times.
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bigblue_dl
Armed
Re: Minnesota Twins 2014: The Quest for .500
Yeah, he physically cannot hit a baseball worth **** anymore.
Yeah, he physically cannot hit a baseball worth **** anymore.