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Outside of the RPI series, do we know anything about the Mavs 11-12 schedule?
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Minnesota State, Mankato, Season Thread
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MavHockey14
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Isn't it crazy to think that we interviewed Scott Sandelin and didn't call him back for a second interview? Weird, he's a national champion now. We had Dean Blais on campus and didn't even bother to interview him more than once. UNO is becoming a hockey powerhouse. It just ****es me off at the potential this program could have if we put some money into it and manned up and got a coach. Jutts' is a good guy who's an okay coach at best. Thanks for the hard work Jutting, but you have to go.
All of the 2 game series we had this year, will be flopped. So no UND in Mankato, only up in Grand Forks, etc.
Very, very good point here. It's actually so true. He's not a hockey guy. He doesn't understand the potential of what a good D-I hockey program in Minnesota, in the fricken WCHA, could mean for this University and this community.
Isn't it crazy to think that we interviewed Scott Sandelin and didn't call him back for a second interview? Weird, he's a national champion now. We had Dean Blais on campus and didn't even bother to interview him more than once. UNO is becoming a hockey powerhouse. It just ****es me off at the potential this program could have if we put some money into it and manned up and got a coach. Jutts' is a good guy who's an okay coach at best. Thanks for the hard work Jutting, but you have to go.
All of the 2 game series we had this year, will be flopped. So no UND in Mankato, only up in Grand Forks, etc.
MavHockey14
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Re: Minnesota State, Mankato, Season Thread
Here's a little bit of my take on youth hockey in town mixed with my frustration of our coach. I don't know how many of you people actually still read this forum, cause no one else posts, but here you go.
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Things will turn around at some point, but it takes time because scheduling teams from the metro is very tough. Our high school team this season could only schedule AA schools such as shakopee and prior lake. It's getting better, but it takes time. We made state in '08 which has helped us a TON. We next year will hopefully get into the Duluth Christmas Tournament, which will give us 3 more games against tougher opponents.
Basically, we re trying to get our program to be better and better each year by playing better competition, and promoting more options to play for our players, so that we can promote the game here in town, and across southern minnesota.
I also hope that the Mavs here in town aren't too largely effected by the stupid B1G. The Mavs give kids in town a dream. A former teammate of mine, and a hometown kid played his freshman season here in town, and when kids here see him out there on the ice, they can look at him and say hey. He played on the Mankato Peewee A when he was my age, etc. If we could get a coach to bring our program back to life, I guarentee we'd have close to capacity crowds week in and week out, and it would make hockey even larger in the community, which would in turn promote the game further.
It's so disappointing knowing we had Sandelin on campus, interviewed him, and didn't even give him a second interview. Dean Blais was on campus, didn't hire him either. I don't understand how our AD doesn't see the potential for what a good WCHA hockey team could do for a town, and a University. It's the same thing every single season. The Mavs are hardworking, with a few talented guys, who take way too many penalties, and have a horrid power play. I just want so badly for us to grow as a program, get some tradition, make some final fives, make the tournament, etc. The potential is there, we're in the WCHA and we're in the State of Hockey.
Here's a little bit of my take on youth hockey in town mixed with my frustration of our coach. I don't know how many of you people actually still read this forum, cause no one else posts, but here you go.
I totally agree. We've got a new director of operations who fully took over his first full season last season, and he's implementing a lot more drills and emphasis on hockey skills rather than just "moving kids through the system." He played at MSU. Depth is an issue at our top levels, and with the two school split between East and West, the numbers are directly pointing to 90 percent or more of the kids attending the West side. That's a problem because East's high school team suffers mightily. They played a roster of 14 with no JV this season.
.Things will turn around at some point, but it takes time because scheduling teams from the metro is very tough. Our high school team this season could only schedule AA schools such as shakopee and prior lake. It's getting better, but it takes time. We made state in '08 which has helped us a TON. We next year will hopefully get into the Duluth Christmas Tournament, which will give us 3 more games against tougher opponents.
Basically, we re trying to get our program to be better and better each year by playing better competition, and promoting more options to play for our players, so that we can promote the game here in town, and across southern minnesota.
I also hope that the Mavs here in town aren't too largely effected by the stupid B1G. The Mavs give kids in town a dream. A former teammate of mine, and a hometown kid played his freshman season here in town, and when kids here see him out there on the ice, they can look at him and say hey. He played on the Mankato Peewee A when he was my age, etc. If we could get a coach to bring our program back to life, I guarentee we'd have close to capacity crowds week in and week out, and it would make hockey even larger in the community, which would in turn promote the game further.
It's so disappointing knowing we had Sandelin on campus, interviewed him, and didn't even give him a second interview. Dean Blais was on campus, didn't hire him either. I don't understand how our AD doesn't see the potential for what a good WCHA hockey team could do for a town, and a University. It's the same thing every single season. The Mavs are hardworking, with a few talented guys, who take way too many penalties, and have a horrid power play. I just want so badly for us to grow as a program, get some tradition, make some final fives, make the tournament, etc. The potential is there, we're in the WCHA and we're in the State of Hockey.
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Re: Minnesota State, Mankato, Season Thread
The WCHA composite schedule was released a few days ago. I also know that Lowell will headed to Mankato in return of the two-game set played at UML this season.
The WCHA composite schedule was released a few days ago. I also know that Lowell will headed to Mankato in return of the two-game set played at UML this season.
MavHockey14
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Correct. It'll be interesting to see if the Mavs can defend their christmas tournament title too in Chicago.
Re: Minnesota State, Mankato, Season Thread
I think there is more to it than Buisman not caring about hockey. Some of the administration has shared with me that MSU has one of the best funded athletic departments in Division II, but is near the bottom in D1 hockey. Part of the problem is the bad lease agreement that the team has with the city at the civic center. As it was put to me "it's one of the worst in the nation". From what I understand, they felt as though they didn't really have a choice but to sign Jutting to his current 4-year deal. They felt as though they couldn't fire a coach that had just won "Coach of the Year" honors and were bound to a 4-year deal due to MNSCU rules. It was either 4 years or nothing. I'm not saying these are excuses for the putrid performances the last couple years (or most of his tenure for that matter), but those are the realities of the situation.
In all honesty, the cost of a good coach isn't that ridiculously high. When this contract runs out, I fully expect the school to go in a different direction. I wish it could happen sooner, but I just don't think that the school can afford to pay 2 coaches at the same time unless some of the donors step in and say that they will pay for a buyout. Jutting seems to be a good dude, but I think he's hit the wall of how far he can take this program. It is time for a change...unfortunately, it's probably not coming as soon as we would all like to see.
I think there is more to it than Buisman not caring about hockey. Some of the administration has shared with me that MSU has one of the best funded athletic departments in Division II, but is near the bottom in D1 hockey. Part of the problem is the bad lease agreement that the team has with the city at the civic center. As it was put to me "it's one of the worst in the nation". From what I understand, they felt as though they didn't really have a choice but to sign Jutting to his current 4-year deal. They felt as though they couldn't fire a coach that had just won "Coach of the Year" honors and were bound to a 4-year deal due to MNSCU rules. It was either 4 years or nothing. I'm not saying these are excuses for the putrid performances the last couple years (or most of his tenure for that matter), but those are the realities of the situation.
In all honesty, the cost of a good coach isn't that ridiculously high. When this contract runs out, I fully expect the school to go in a different direction. I wish it could happen sooner, but I just don't think that the school can afford to pay 2 coaches at the same time unless some of the donors step in and say that they will pay for a buyout. Jutting seems to be a good dude, but I think he's hit the wall of how far he can take this program. It is time for a change...unfortunately, it's probably not coming as soon as we would all like to see.
Re: Minnesota State, Mankato, Season Thread
I don't see what the lease at the civic center has to do with being one of the worst-funded programs in D-I. I see what you said above as being evidence that they just don't care about hockey. Fund the athletic department near the top of D-II, but fund the hockey program near the bottom of D-I? That shows that they are unwilling to do what it takes to compete in D-I.
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The lease has everything to do with being horribly funded. If they only get (and I don't know what the actual numbers are) 30% of ticket revenues while most schools get 60% of ticket revenues they have to double the amount of dollars that come out of student fees as comprable programs. For even numbers let's assume MSU's ticket revenues are $1,000,000. If they only get 30% ($300,000) of revenue while a comprable school gets 60% ($600,000) that means you have to make up that $300,000 through student fees. Now, if I'm the President of the university and I have the hockey program coming to me and asking for $300,000 more while at the same time making the decision to eliminate 4 other athletic programs, I can't possibly go to the student body and ask them to raise their fees even more. The supply of cash is not bottomless like it is within the U of M athletic department where they can be paying 2 head football coaches, 2 head basketball coaches, etc, etc.
Really it's a chicken or the egg scenario. If they spend more money now, will they win more and make additional revenues? Or do they say, "win more, create more revenue and we'll spend more money". The trick is to find a happy medium between the two to grow revenues, but not bankrupt the school to do it. It sounds like it should be easy, but it's just not.
The lease has everything to do with being horribly funded. If they only get (and I don't know what the actual numbers are) 30% of ticket revenues while most schools get 60% of ticket revenues they have to double the amount of dollars that come out of student fees as comprable programs. For even numbers let's assume MSU's ticket revenues are $1,000,000. If they only get 30% ($300,000) of revenue while a comprable school gets 60% ($600,000) that means you have to make up that $300,000 through student fees. Now, if I'm the President of the university and I have the hockey program coming to me and asking for $300,000 more while at the same time making the decision to eliminate 4 other athletic programs, I can't possibly go to the student body and ask them to raise their fees even more. The supply of cash is not bottomless like it is within the U of M athletic department where they can be paying 2 head football coaches, 2 head basketball coaches, etc, etc.
Really it's a chicken or the egg scenario. If they spend more money now, will they win more and make additional revenues? Or do they say, "win more, create more revenue and we'll spend more money". The trick is to find a happy medium between the two to grow revenues, but not bankrupt the school to do it. It sounds like it should be easy, but it's just not.
MavHockey14
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Re: Minnesota State, Mankato, Season Thread
It's a combination of both of your points. It's highly clear that hockey is one of the bottom feeding sports among the administration's priority. This is the state of hockey for Christ's sake. Put some effort into getting this program to be competitive. I understand financially things are much different here than other schools, and in addition that the lease down at the Verizon Center hurts profits that the program could attain, but still. The fact that we have so much potential to try and improve this program and figure our **** out. If we don't soon, it won't be long til the last 5 years of Tech Hockey, no offense Husky fans, becomes the next 5 years of Mavericks hockey, or maybe even more.
Clearly the arena thing will continue to be an issue financially, as it is for most programs that don't have on campus arenas or arenas in which they own. The thing is, they've gotta put the money into the program if they ever want it to make them money. How do you increase season ticket holders? How do you increase the support of Alumni and donors? It's simple, you put a product on the ice that can be competitive and that will generate fan support. If we could get a team that's highly competitive in the WCHA for a couple years, look what could happen to the program! We started getting competitive back in 01-03, and the seats started filling up week in and week out.
I just get so frustrated with seeing a program stalled in the dumps when there is potential to be much better. I don't expect us to be like North Dakota, etc. I just want us to have a good shot at the WCHA every year, and then a NCAA tourney birth as well.
Do we know what Troy Jutting is being paid exactly? When is his contract up? I'll look into those details myself here shortly..
It's a combination of both of your points. It's highly clear that hockey is one of the bottom feeding sports among the administration's priority. This is the state of hockey for Christ's sake. Put some effort into getting this program to be competitive. I understand financially things are much different here than other schools, and in addition that the lease down at the Verizon Center hurts profits that the program could attain, but still. The fact that we have so much potential to try and improve this program and figure our **** out. If we don't soon, it won't be long til the last 5 years of Tech Hockey, no offense Husky fans, becomes the next 5 years of Mavericks hockey, or maybe even more.
Clearly the arena thing will continue to be an issue financially, as it is for most programs that don't have on campus arenas or arenas in which they own. The thing is, they've gotta put the money into the program if they ever want it to make them money. How do you increase season ticket holders? How do you increase the support of Alumni and donors? It's simple, you put a product on the ice that can be competitive and that will generate fan support. If we could get a team that's highly competitive in the WCHA for a couple years, look what could happen to the program! We started getting competitive back in 01-03, and the seats started filling up week in and week out.
I just get so frustrated with seeing a program stalled in the dumps when there is potential to be much better. I don't expect us to be like North Dakota, etc. I just want us to have a good shot at the WCHA every year, and then a NCAA tourney birth as well.
MavHockey14
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Re: Minnesota State, Mankato, Season Thread
Here's a look at what the coaches were making two years ago. Looks like we're stuck with this Jutting hockey crap for another two years.
http://mankatofreepresshockey.blogspot.com/2009/07/more-on-jutting-deal.html
Here's a look at what the coaches were making two years ago. Looks like we're stuck with this Jutting hockey crap for another two years.
http://mankatofreepresshockey.blogspot.com/2009/07/more-on-jutting-deal.html
Re: Minnesota State, Mankato, Season Thread
I don't disagree with your points at all. I became a season ticket holder after the 2007-2008 season and saw first hand what winning did for ticket admissions. I was also there this year when the "Fire Jutting" chants got going in earnest. It's not a pretty site right now and it's not a bright looking future at this point. I just want to see us making the NCAA tourney from time to time, having home ice in the playoffs, and making the Final Five from on a regular basis. The results we're seeing right now should not be acceptable for anyone. Given the circumstances, we should at the very least be competitive.
I don't disagree with your points at all. I became a season ticket holder after the 2007-2008 season and saw first hand what winning did for ticket admissions. I was also there this year when the "Fire Jutting" chants got going in earnest. It's not a pretty site right now and it's not a bright looking future at this point. I just want to see us making the NCAA tourney from time to time, having home ice in the playoffs, and making the Final Five from on a regular basis. The results we're seeing right now should not be acceptable for anyone. Given the circumstances, we should at the very least be competitive.
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Some of the people who sit around me, and have for many, many years, have also told me they don't intend to renew. Attendance is declining and will continue to do so.
I've had season tickets for eleven years now. Coincidentally, those are the Jutting years. As of now, I don't intend to renew my tickets for the 11-12 season. I don't see any sign of improvement on the horizon, no matter how hard I squint, and I'm just not willing to continue to reward it with my money.
Some of the people who sit around me, and have for many, many years, have also told me they don't intend to renew. Attendance is declining and will continue to do so.
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MavHockey14
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which as fans, shouldn't we at least be able to expect this from a university's athletic department? can't we, as fans, who spend money on tickets, apparel, etc, spend our time cheering these guys on, etc expect to at least see some effort from the people in charge to try and help put a competitive team on the ice? it's a ****ing joke, and it makes many of the loyal Mavs fans quite angry. what I don't understand is, why don't the fans have any kind of say in this? there's obvious discontent with Jutting and the product he puts on the ice each year..we can't even make a final five for God's sake.
MavHockey14
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I've thought about it, but I just couldn't do it. My dad and I have had the same seats since the D-II era, and I just don't think I could get through a winter without the Mavs.
I can't imagine season ticket numbers will be going up anytime soon, and I have to believe that they will likely go down from last year to next season. Maybe this will finally wake up the head honchos. You can't tell me Tech's a big school with deep pockets, yet they just went out and hired a big name coach.
Maybe we should email KB and see if we can even get a response.
MavHockey14
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Last night the captains were named for the upcoming season. The team will be led by two co-captains, Junior Defenseman Tyler Elbrecht and Senior Forward Michael Dorr. Both should be pretty good leader, IMHO. It'll be interesting to see how well they truly can lead what is looking like a young team, and a team without much leadership defensively.
The team will rotate a third assistant captain each month, and for the start of the season, this will be Defenseman Cameron Cooper.
Team Awards for 2010-2011:
MVP: Senior defenseman Kurt Davis: The offensive minded defenseman led the Mavericks in scoring for the second time in his career, and had a successful senior season. He had great hands, good speed, and pretty good vision on the ice.
Unsung Hero: Senior Defenseman Ben Youds: also offensive minded, Youds brought his A game night in and night out, and was a pleasant surprise offensively this year, as he teamed up with Davis on the point on the power play.
Most Improved Player: Cameron Cooper: The Defenseman became much more reliable this year, and helped step up in big situations when he needed to.
Mr. Hustle Award: Junior Defenseman Tyler Elbrecht: It's evident to the players and coaches that Tyler is a leader with his work ethic, and it shows by him being named one of the captains for next season.
Don Brose Leadership Award: Senior forward Rylan Galiardi: He had an up and down year, but he really took control at times out there on the ice, and served as a great captain for the Mavs.
I'll post my own personal awards later tonight, you guys should feel free to do so as well.
Go Mavs!
Last night the captains were named for the upcoming season. The team will be led by two co-captains, Junior Defenseman Tyler Elbrecht and Senior Forward Michael Dorr. Both should be pretty good leader, IMHO. It'll be interesting to see how well they truly can lead what is looking like a young team, and a team without much leadership defensively.
The team will rotate a third assistant captain each month, and for the start of the season, this will be Defenseman Cameron Cooper.
Team Awards for 2010-2011:
MVP: Senior defenseman Kurt Davis: The offensive minded defenseman led the Mavericks in scoring for the second time in his career, and had a successful senior season. He had great hands, good speed, and pretty good vision on the ice.
Unsung Hero: Senior Defenseman Ben Youds: also offensive minded, Youds brought his A game night in and night out, and was a pleasant surprise offensively this year, as he teamed up with Davis on the point on the power play.
Most Improved Player: Cameron Cooper: The Defenseman became much more reliable this year, and helped step up in big situations when he needed to.
Mr. Hustle Award: Junior Defenseman Tyler Elbrecht: It's evident to the players and coaches that Tyler is a leader with his work ethic, and it shows by him being named one of the captains for next season.
Don Brose Leadership Award: Senior forward Rylan Galiardi: He had an up and down year, but he really took control at times out there on the ice, and served as a great captain for the Mavs.
I'll post my own personal awards later tonight, you guys should feel free to do so as well.
Go Mavs!
Re: Minnesota State, Mankato, Season Thread
The simple answer is that the largest donors to the program have a personal connection with Jutting (so I hear) and have influenced the school in keeping him and he's had very timely good seasons. It seems as though every time his contract comes up for renewal he has a "good season". The last one was 07-08 and the playoff series against the Gophers. If memory serves correctly, before that it was just 2 years removed from the NCAA tourney run and he had his "big" recruiting class that just graduated last year. I get the feeling though, that his luck is running out. The Blue Line Club shrunk last year. I have a feeling it will shrink again this year. Students aren't showing up. Walk up tickets sales are plummeting. Other Minnesota schools are trending upwards. We finished behind both the new teams to the conference that we were supposed to be superior to. There will be no Gopher/Sioux series to cover up the dismal attendance. Unless the team unexpectedly improves and goes on a streak, it seems like the future of this program is coming to a turning point.
The simple answer is that the largest donors to the program have a personal connection with Jutting (so I hear) and have influenced the school in keeping him and he's had very timely good seasons. It seems as though every time his contract comes up for renewal he has a "good season". The last one was 07-08 and the playoff series against the Gophers. If memory serves correctly, before that it was just 2 years removed from the NCAA tourney run and he had his "big" recruiting class that just graduated last year. I get the feeling though, that his luck is running out. The Blue Line Club shrunk last year. I have a feeling it will shrink again this year. Students aren't showing up. Walk up tickets sales are plummeting. Other Minnesota schools are trending upwards. We finished behind both the new teams to the conference that we were supposed to be superior to. There will be no Gopher/Sioux series to cover up the dismal attendance. Unless the team unexpectedly improves and goes on a streak, it seems like the future of this program is coming to a turning point.
MavHockey14
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This upcoming season could be one year that as fans, we have to sacrifice watching a terrible team on the ice to get to a point in the WCHA where we can actually be competitive in making the final five and then NCAA tournament. (Thus, firing Jutting and looking for a a better coach elsewhere.)
If Jutting continues to see support, after compiling a growing losing record, and keeping us bottom feeding in the WCHA, then the future of this program is in serious jeopardy. it's tough to put a competitive product on the ice when jutting has the biggest donors wrapped around his finger.
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2011-12 Minnesota State schedule announced. http://msumavericks.com/news/2011/4/25/MHOCKEY_0425113107.aspx
2011-12 Minnesota State schedule announced. http://msumavericks.com/news/2011/4/25/MHOCKEY_0425113107.aspx
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Sadly, yes. This was my first season covering the Mavs as a blogger, and it's frustrating and sad to see less and less people show up to the games. These kids are working hard, and losing Davis, Boe, Youds, and Sackrison will be a HUGE loss next season. As much hope as I want to have for the season, it's becoming clearer and clearer to me that Jutting has done all he can with this program and it's time to move on. If last season is a repeat of this one, I can't bear to see the crowds come the Huntsville and Tech series.
Sadly, yes. This was my first season covering the Mavs as a blogger, and it's frustrating and sad to see less and less people show up to the games. These kids are working hard, and losing Davis, Boe, Youds, and Sackrison will be a HUGE loss next season. As much hope as I want to have for the season, it's becoming clearer and clearer to me that Jutting has done all he can with this program and it's time to move on. If last season is a repeat of this one, I can't bear to see the crowds come the Huntsville and Tech series.