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Minnesota High School Hockey 2012-2013

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Slap Shot said:
bigblue - as for BSM they have at least one kid on the roster getting a free ride even though the parents are loaded. I also have other bits about them and Pauly too (especially how he handled going to Tonka and then leaving right away) but they have a great roster of recruits/transfers.
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I call BS. I have seen all kinds of these accusations about the private schools from folks who can never "reveal their sources." I personally know a father of a kid who was "recruited" to a private (the kid later played for the Gophers). We've talked extensively about the experience since my kid now goes to a private too. This dad did an application for aid very similar to the one I did. The school does not process the application, a separate entity does and it is based entirely on need. It's going to take more than another anonymous accusation on a message board to convince me there is anything beyond sour grapes behind the accusation.
 
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What is the enrollment cut-off for class A? I'm surprised Duluth Denfeld still qualifies for Class A after consolidation. (And St. Cloud Apollo playing a class lower than Tech in both football and hockey just proves what wimps they are :p)
 
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HumRsky said:
What is the enrollment cut-off for class A? I'm surprised Duluth Denfeld still qualifies for Class A after consolidation. (And St. Cloud Apollo playing a class lower than Tech in both football and hockey just proves what wimps they are :p)
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Looks like 1275 or higher class AA, lower class A.
Class A enrollment is 1-1274 and Class AA is 1275 and up. Any team below 1274 can opt up to play Class
AA.
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Found this.

MSHSL takes the enrollment numbers in October every other year and revises sections and classes based on enrollment for two years. They take the largest 64 hockey programs, and the enrollment of the 64th team is the cutoff (note that cooperative programs use total enrollment of all schools involved. The current sections were announced last February after using the October, 2010 enrollment figures. They will be used again in the 2012-13 school year, and in October, they will get enrollment figures and start the process all over again for the 2013-14 and 14-15 seasons.
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bigblue_dl said:
I'm 99% sure that Duluth East is a play-up school.
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As I'm sitting here thinking about it I guess I did know everyone in my graduating class. Not personally, but I knew names and faces. Probably not the case at Wayzata or Eden Prarie.
 
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That list still has Duluth Central on it too. It's also enrollment grades 9-12 (I know St. Cloud Tech has never had 1600 students 10-12) and I think the MSHSL uses the 10-12 enrollment numbers.
 
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If that list still has Duluth Central than Duluth East might be over the AA threshold.
 
Shirtless Guy said:
Yeah but you still have to combine all the co-ops to figure out the 64 biggest schools...
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Looking through that list, I think I was right that MSHSL used 10-12 enrollment. Also, I had heard that one of the reasons it was ridiculous that STA was class A was because if they had an equal number of girls, they would be over the threshold, and that appears to be entirely true. Enrollment listed at over 1000 for an all-boys school.
 
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HumRsky said:
Looking through that list, I think I was right that MSHSL used 10-12 enrollment. Also, I had heard that one of the reasons it was ridiculous that STA was class A was because if they had an equal number of girls, they would be over the threshold, and that appears to be entirely true. Enrollment listed at over 1000 for an all-boys school.
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Enrollment for all-boy schools is doubled to account for this, so not true.
Enrollment according to STA according to their website:
541 High School (grades 9-12)
125 Middle School (grades 7-8)
As of February 26, 2013
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
Enrollment for all-boy schools is doubled to account for this, so not true.
Enrollment according to STA according to their website:
541 High School (grades 9-12)
125 Middle School (grades 7-8)
As of February 26, 2013
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I stand corrected. Still glad they decided to make the jump though.
 
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goldy_331 said:
I call BS.
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Don't care. My nephew is in the program, and I have first hand knowledge of it from another player on the team and the parents. If I said which HS he came from it would give his name away and I'd rather not.

MavHockey14 said:
Just like many of the metro schools as well as the privates.
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Tonka has had only one kid on their team from another public going back several seasons - Connor Thie from Hopkins. However schools like Tonka, Wayzata and Edina lose way more to privates than they ever gain from another public. I think EP had one goalie on their roster this year from another program, the rest were home grown. Wayzata has been killed by kids playing at the privates the past decade, but O'Leary seems to have stemmed the tide somewhat. They are in a section final and are very young.

I know that it happens, but not nearly as frequently as you might think at the schools that are already established. It's nothing like Hopkins basketball.
 
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Slap Shot said:
Don't care. My nephew is in the program, and I have first hand knowledge of it from another player on the team and the parents. If I said which HS he came from it would give his name away and I'd rather not.



Tonka has had only one kid on their team from another public going back several seasons - Connor Thie from Hopkins. However schools like Tonka, Wayzata and Edina lose way more to privates than they ever gain from another public. I think EP had one goalie on their roster this year from another program, the rest were home grown. Wayzata has been killed by kids playing at the privates the past decade, but O'Leary seems to have stemmed the tide somewhat. They are in a section final and are very young.

I know that it happens, but not nearly as frequently as you might think at the schools that are already established. It's nothing like Hopkins basketball.
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I know of two kids who moved schools to EP this year.

It happens more at the youth level so the kids are already in the program; maybe not as much high school to high school, but town to town, with HS to HS in mind for future.
 
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Moving while a child is a youth is not the same imho. I chastised my brother for his son going from Wayzata to BSM as a 9th grader. Wayzata is a great school academically and has had a pretty strong hockey program as well, but they didn't have to uproot and move everything for it to happen. His daughter is still at Wayzata and doesn't play any sports.

fyi goldy - my nephew is not the one getting the free ride.
 
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Slap Shot said:
Moving while a child is a youth is not the same imho. I chastised my brother for his son going from Wayzata to BSM as a 9th grader. Wayzata is a great school academically and has had a pretty strong hockey program as well, but they didn't have to uproot and move everything for it to happen. His daughter is still at Wayzata and doesn't play any sports.

fyi goldy - my nephew is not the one getting the free ride.
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The only tuition assistance offered at BSM are $2000 academic scholarships to the top 4 incoming 9th graders based on ACT Explore tests and need based tuition assistance which is not administered through the school, but through Tuition Aid Data Services (TADS), the company used throughout the Archdiocese by all Catholic schools. If someone is getting a "free ride" it must be completely under the table or they are really really poor to qualify for full assistance.
 
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