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Minnesota Gophers 2021-2022

But I have to say I think you guys are being awfully hard on a couple of very fine players.


This past week, the starting setter for the Texas volleyball team, Jhenna Gabriel, announced that she is forgoing her COVID year "to prioritize my mental health and well-being". And then as a PS to the readers of the equivalent fan forum for volleyball to this fan forum, she gave an F U "To my loyal fans at VolleyTalk: I know ya’ll will eat this one up but hopefully one day you will have half the courage that any of the female-athletes you so harshly criticize possess."

Some of the people at VolleyTalk are more harsh that what we see here, and the Texas fans maybe even more so; but this is something I am going to keep in mind going forward.
 
This past week, the starting setter for the Texas volleyball team, Jhenna Gabriel, announced that she is forgoing her COVID year "to prioritize my mental health and well-being". And then as a PS to the readers of the equivalent fan forum for volleyball to this fan forum, she gave an F U "To my loyal fans at VolleyTalk: I know ya’ll will eat this one up but hopefully one day you will have half the courage that any of the female-athletes you so harshly criticize possess."

Some of the people at VolleyTalk are more harsh that what we see here, and the Texas fans maybe even more so; but this is something I am going to keep in mind going forward.
We should all consider this a Public Service Announcement. Thanks for sharing this story.
 
What a crazy game! Not least the minors on Wethington and Gardiner for banging each other’s sticks before the face off!

4-1 Gophers after 2. After these two contrary periods, what could happen in the third?
 
How to deploy your players is an internal Gopher matter. But I have to say I think you guys are being awfully hard on a couple of very fine players.
Mostly, I'm being hard on the coaches, and if they don't want to have every decision they make questioned, they picked a profession that is up there with politics for being in the public eye. Some players shine with all of the open ice that 3-on-3 offers. UM's only D who would most be built for those situations is Ostertag, not that the brain trust sent her out there when she was uninjured. Of late, they've opted for dubious strategies like playing three forwards.

I do agree with the overall sentiment that we need to be more supportive as fans.
 
A good number of "if"s here, but:

If Minnesota wins all six of their remaining games - and that is certainly possible - then it would take either Ohio State or Wisconsin also going undefeated to beat the Gophers out for the WCHA championship. Undefeated Gophers would be at .810 points percent, while an undefeated OSU or Wisconsin would came in at .815 (if I did all the math correctly).

Wisconsin has series against both Duluth and Ohio State remaining, and are not playing great right now. So the chances of Wisconsin repeating don't look very good.

OSU has Wisconsin, but otherwise would be expected to win the rest.
 
A good number of "if"s here, but:

If Minnesota wins all six of their remaining games - and that is certainly possible - then it would take either Ohio State or Wisconsin also going undefeated to beat the Gophers out for the WCHA championship. Undefeated Gophers would be at .810 points percent, while an undefeated OSU or Wisconsin would came in at .815 (if I did all the math correctly).

Wisconsin has series against both Duluth and Ohio State remaining, and are not playing great right now. So the chances of Wisconsin repeating don't look very good.

OSU has Wisconsin, but otherwise would be expected to win the rest.

A banner would be nice!!
 
Props to whomever, player or coach, said something after the first period that lit a fire under the Gophers. Seemed like a different team. The key to the game other than that may have been getting out of the first period only down one.
 
So might a long suffering (I know..haha) Gopher fan!

Sorry, Gopher fans don't really suffer. Viking fans on the other hand.....
I wil never forget sitting in Ridder during a playoff game when the Viking were playing in the TCF Stadium on the U campus. Rick, the Gopher announcer, had the Vikings game on his laptop. When the inevitable choke occurred, he slammed his laptop shut without turning it off. We then got to watch the parade of disgusted Viking fans file past Ridder while we sang The Who song "Don't get fooled again".
 
This past week, the starting setter for the Texas volleyball team, Jhenna Gabriel, announced that she is forgoing her COVID year "to prioritize my mental health and well-being". And then as a PS to the readers of the equivalent fan forum for volleyball to this fan forum, she gave an F U "To my loyal fans at VolleyTalk: I know ya’ll will eat this one up but hopefully one day you will have half the courage that any of the female-athletes you so harshly criticize possess."

Some of the people at VolleyTalk are more harsh that what we see here, and the Texas fans maybe even more so; but this is something I am going to keep in mind going forward.

This is a very important point, and I thank you for posting it. But let me say this. From your description, it sounds like VolleyTalk is much more harsh than what we see here. I wouldn't describe anyone on this thread as being an abusive fan. My feeling was that some of the comments were unduly pessimistic. More of a "Gloomy Gus" kind of thing.
 
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This is a very important point, and I thank you for posting it. But let me say this. From your description, it sounds like VolleyTalk is much more harsh than we see here. I wouldn't describe anyone on this thread as being an abusive fan. My feeling was that some of the comments were unduly pessimistic.

That guy is gone. We all know who that would have been. As far as pessimistic, isn't that part of our DNA? But I agree that none of us armchair centers need to squawk overly much about what happens on the ice. It is a very fast game, and I have the greatest respect for our players, on any team, out there taking the hard knocks and the occasional sharp slapshot to the body. Kudos to all the women out there playing our game!
 
That guy is gone. We all know who that would have been. As far as pessimistic, isn't that part of our DNA? But I agree that none of us armchair centers need to squawk overly much about what happens on the ice. It is a very fast game, and I have the greatest respect for our players, on any team, out there taking the hard knocks and the occasional sharp slapshot to the body. Kudos to all the women out there playing our game!

I'm good with this.

For a Smile: Did you notice I was editing as you were posting? I added the Gloomy Gus reference. Are you saying I should amend that to "Gloomy Gopher?" (winking emoticon here.)
 
Props to whomever, player or coach, said something after the first period that lit a fire under the Gophers. Seemed like a different team. The key to the game other than that may have been getting out of the first period only down one.

It was crazy how good Ohio State played in the first period, except they only scored once. Maybe the Gophers deserve some credit for holding them to one, I don’t know, but the Buckeyes looked like a machine.
 
I'm good with this.

For a Smile: Did you notice I was editing as you were posting? I added the Gloomy Gus reference. Are you saying I should amend that to "Gloomy Gopher?" (winking emoticon here.)

FiveHoleFrenzy might need the Gloomy Gopher tag. It has a nice sound to it, if you don't over think the meaning. Sports should be first of all, playing to your potential, with the winning of awards being secondary to that process. I feel we are all winners, being able to participate vicariously in our teams successes. And we need to celebrate whatever small successes even the bottom teams are able to achieve.
 
FiveHoleFrenzy might need the Gloomy Gopher tag. It has a nice sound to it, if you don't over think the meaning. Sports should be first of all, playing to your potential, with the winning of awards being secondary to that process. I feel we are all winners, being able to participate vicariously in our teams successes. And we need to celebrate whatever small successes even the bottom teams are able to achieve.

I have been trying out a new years resolution of less is more. Less commenting and more enjoyment of what the team can accomplish. I was not able to see any of the games this weekend until tonight and I just got done watching the replays. A bit of a struggle in the first period of todays game but #33 played very well (goaltending was good in both games) and then things turned around for them in the 2nd period. Pretty solid road weekend against a top opponent.
 
From your description, it sounds like VolleyTalk is much more harsh than what we see here.
Years ago, I worked with a guy who had season tickets for Gopher men's BB who was hoping UM would lose so that Jim Dutcher would be fired. Instead, it was a win in Madison that ultimately cost Dutcher his job, as the team "celebrated" in a manner that got three of them charged with sexual assault and three more kicked off for violating team rules.

It is always wise to zoom out if at any point a fan of GWH starts to want bad things to happen to the program and ask how that came to be. That seems to be where a lot of VolleyTalk posters are when I read that forum. It's probably not true, but their posts sound like they would rather the team would collapse, so that the setter gets benched, the coach gets fired, or some walk-on DS who has been forced into the rotation due to injury will quit the sport.

I don't know that I can ever be quite as positive as osualum86, who sets the gold standard for positivity, but I can certainly do better. Consider 3 Minnesota D ...

I'm very happy for Maggie Nicholson. Playing on the blue line in the WCHA has to be a little like playing cornerback in the NFL. You're out there on an island, matched up against the best in the game, and when you screw up, even people who don't seem to have much understanding of the game seem to notice. And if that mistake causes the goal light to come on (for real, not like the one in Columbus where the goal judge got a little excited when a Buckeye shot caught the inside of the pipe and stayed out), then the fans never forget it. There isn't a set time in a D's career where she settles into the job and starts to feel confident; last season wasn't ideal for building confidence in any Gopher, and especially not a rookie D. So to get that first college goal, get mobbed by teammates, and have it be an important tally that helped swing a critical game, I'm hoping that she went home feeling better about herself last night.

We were pretty hard on Olivia Knowles for a couple of seasons. At times, I think she was battling through injury and illness that hampered her, and if a D is just a half step slow, the successful pinch instead becomes a two-on-one rush heading towards her net. And if she is too passive, the gap grows and opponents can exploit that passivity. Knowles also made huge plays as a Gopher, and I don't know that she's gotten enough credit for those, like taking the shot that resulted in Schammel's winning goal versus Cornell in 2019. She battled hard this weekend, against an opponent that can't be easy to play, because they keep ramping up the pressure when they're behind. She leads the team in blocks, and by a big margin, and I know that I'm not as quick to praise her contributions as I should be.

Part of the reason that we've eased up on the criticism of 24 (also, there isn't much to criticize) is that we're too busy obsessing about every error of Madeline Wethington. We just have to accept that she plays a higher risk/reward style, and there will be some strikeouts to go with the home runs. At least the ratio is better than what the Twins get from Miguel Sano. You need players who are willing to go out there and take a risk to make a big play, have it not work out, but still be willing to try again. I think because she joined UM in a class where she was about the only one who played, she caught an unfair amount of flak. As this season has gone along, she's played better and it has translated into improved results. She's one of those players who can swing the outcome of a game, and we're very lucky to have her.

If you disagree with my assessment of any of these three, at least concede that none of them are getting arrested or costing their coach his job due to how they conduct themselves off the ice.
 
It is always wise to zoom out if at any point a fan of GWH starts to want bad things to happen to the program and ask how that came to be. That seems to be where a lot of VolleyTalk posters are when I read that forum. It's probably not true, but their posts sound like they would rather the team would collapse, so that the setter gets benched, the coach gets fired, or some walk-on DS who has been forced into the rotation due to injury will quit the sport.

Are you talking about the Texas fans at VolleyTalk, or Gopher fans there? The girl who made the comments and is passing on her extra COVID year was the Texas setter, and I have not read much of their VolleyTalk 'conversation' during her time. But I've read a lot of the Gopher threads there, and the current Minn setter gets a LOT of heat from the Gopher VB fans. I wouldn't say they want the team to collapse (and right now, they're very optimistic about 2022, of course), but she gets MUCH of the blame when the team falls short. I really don't know if the Texas threads are worse or about the same.
 
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