Michigan Tech Offseason Thread I: Not Winning and the ensuing drama.

[manurespreader]

Re: Michigan Tech Offseason Thread I: Not Winning and the ensuing drama.

This might be one of the dumbest things I've ever read on here. One can only hope that the athletic leadership doesn't subscribe to this level of stupidity, because if they do, Michigan Tech will be in the basement of the WCHA forever.

good luck in the playoffs.

 

[davyd83]

Re: Michigan Tech Offseason Thread I: Not Winning and the ensuing drama.

I don't care where the guy comes from as long as he is someone that can motivate players like few can. A Mike Krzyzewski type. After that we can get the rest of the pieces put together fairly easily. These type guys really do get a lot more from their players than everyone else, but they do not grow on trees. Kids will go anywhere to play for a top coach like this, they will beat a path to your door.

To answer the question on Hakstol. No, imho he is not that great, but the program behind him is and so they win.
Tech can be a top program, but only if we have a staff that is highly respected by hockey people all over.
Certainly we need more than just a coach but if he comes he will ask for things.
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Also, You have to understand the difference between the top WCHA teams and the bottom is not that far. A Frattin, a Zucker, and a couple of good defensemen.

Yeah, those last four games showed just how close Tech and North Dakota are. I do agree that if you switched the coaches, the difference would be marginal at best, maybe a couple games.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: Michigan Tech Offseason Thread I: Not Winning and the ensuing drama.

Could we start talking about the near future please? What's past is past, and I'm tired of this sh*t. Season's over, the Russell era is over (whether you agree or not), and whoever the new coach is, the current roster and next fall's inked recruits are what he has to work with. Tech isn't going to be recruiting the next Hobey candidate anytime soon. It's time to accept the present, and move on.

 

[pyhtboss]

(He once said in an interview, "we're not going to get that type of player to come here," in reference to blue chip NHL prospects)This lack of faith in what Tech could be beyond mostly a bunch of blue collar grinders playing 'dump and drop' was aggravating. I admit I'm a clueless optimist..

At least you admit it. . And there are worse things you could be

Simply put: Tech isnt going to get a "blue chip" player until they string together a few .500 seasons and prove they're a serious D1 program. The beauty of hockey is that by recruiting those "grinders" as you call them (I hate that word) with the coachable mindset, you can coach them up to win loose puck battles where close games are won and lost

Building a program back up means taking the common sense steps first to win half your games before taking the next step

I dont question the work ethic of the current team. JSR is right on, they dont give up and anyone watching a Tech game now vs 5-6 years ago can see this. For this reason, the state of affairs for the next head coach isnt as horrific as the standings would indicate

 

[manurespreader]

Re: Michigan Tech Offseason Thread I: Not Winning and the ensuing drama.

At least you admit it. . And there are worse things you could be

Simply put: Tech isnt going to get a "blue chip" player until they string together a few .500 seasons and prove they're a serious D1 program. The beauty of hockey is that by recruiting those "grinders" as you call them (I hate that word) with the coachable mindset, you can coach them up to win loose puck battles where close games are won and lost

Building a program back up means taking the common sense steps first to win half your games before taking the next step

I dont question the work ethic of the current team. JSR is right on, they dont give up and anyone watching a Tech game now vs 5-6 years ago can see this. For this reason, the state of affairs for the next head coach isnt as horrific as the standings would indicate

I agree with this generally, however a top coach might be able to bring in one early.
I don' t think they played that hard every game. I remember the 6-0 loss to SLU, which was pretty disgraceful.

 

[geezer]

Re: Michigan Tech Offseason Thread I: Not Winning and the ensuing drama.

by recruiting those "grinders" as you call them (I hate that word) with the coachable mindset, you can coach them up to win loose puck battles where close games are won and lost

Building a program back up means taking the common sense steps first to win half your games before taking the next step

Hi Jamie! I disagree, I think you take every step you possibly can to improve the team in your first eight years on the job. If you try to get halfway to good first, you'll never get anywhere.
sorry about the non-future-oriented post.

 

[pyhtboss]

Hi Jamie! I disagree, I think you take every step you possibly can to improve the team in your first eight years on the job. If you try to get halfway to good first, you'll never get anywhere.
sorry about the non-future-oriented post.

Wow, you're an idiot

Tech can't even compete for "blue-chip" recruits from Calumet, what makes you think they can land them from southeastern Michigan or Ontario?

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: Michigan Tech Offseason Thread I: Not Winning and the ensuing drama.

There are some people who seem to think that Russell's words indicated that he never tried to recruit "blue chip" players. JR is an honest guy - he was never going to be a braw boaster to appease the fanbase. He understood the difficulty of recruiting top-notch players to our school, but don't take that to mean that he never tried to recruit any.

As for my previous post - ignore it. I'm just tired of a few posters who don't even care about Tech hockey in the first place, coming in here and slagging on the optimists.

 

[geezer]

Re: Michigan Tech Offseason Thread I: Not Winning and the ensuing drama.

Wow, you're an idiot

thanks, I know.

Tech can't even compete for "blue-chip" recruits from Calumet, what makes you think they can land them from southeastern Michigan or Ontario?

it depends on the coach; which was my point. The truth is that Jamie and Pat couldn't recruit a kid from Calumet. Get the right coach and turn Tech into a hockey school and you'll be sending your leftovers down the road to NMU instead of the other way around.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

Re: Michigan Tech Offseason Thread I: Not Winning and the ensuing drama.

Wow, you're an idiot

Tech can't even compete for "blue-chip" recruits from Calumet, what makes you think they can land them from southeastern Michigan or Ontario?

The fact that Johnson hasn't signed with Michigan yet tells me Michigan Tech is most certainly competing for "blue-chip" recruits from Calumet. Losing out on Johnson doesn't mean MTU isn't COMPETING for him...

 

[manurespreader]

Re: Michigan Tech Offseason Thread I: Not Winning and the ensuing drama.

Another poster pointed out that the young man had a long way to go to be a wcha player and I agree. Having said that it's important to recruit well in your back yard.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: Michigan Tech Offseason Thread I: Not Winning and the ensuing drama.

Another poster pointed out that the young man had a long way to go to be a wcha player and I agree. Having said that it's important to recruit well in your back yard.

He needs at least a year in Fargo, maybe even two. Though I wonder if the NTDP would take another look at him for the U-18 squad, if there is a spot available once they promote the U-17 players. Or will he be too old?

 

[Burnt Orange Husky]

Re: Michigan Tech Offseason Thread I: Not Winning and the ensuing drama.

Use of 'MTU' is discouraged according to the Institution's standards of name and logo use.

You're kidding, right? That's really dumb. The stacked MTU was Tech's most recognizable logo. It was always easy to spot on a bumper, even at 80 mph.

Almost all universities abbreviate their name in some way. In Ann Arbor, the locals refer to the University of Michigan as "the U of M". And the Massachusetts Institute of Technology is best known around the world as MIT...

 

[Shirtless Guy]

Re: Michigan Tech Offseason Thread I: Not Winning and the ensuing drama.

You're kidding, right? That's really dumb. The stacked MTU was Tech's most recognizable logo. It was always easy to spot on a bumper, even at 80 mph.

Almost all universities abbreviate their name in some way. In Ann Arbor, the locals refer to the University of Michigan as "the U of M". And the Massachusetts Institute of Technology is best known around the world as MIT...

No he is not kidding. Mitch's Misfits needed to redo some official school paperwork because they referred to Michigan Tech as "MTU" too soon in the document.

 

[geezer]

Re: Michigan Tech Offseason Thread I: Not Winning and the ensuing drama.

Just because a kid is local, doesn't make him automatic. And it is not necessarily the coach that is the reason he may choose to go elsewhere. It could be a preferred academic situation. It might be a desire to get away from the hometown. It may be that he prefers a program that offers him a better chance to win or a better playing situation. Maybe he is interested in something that his home school doesn't have to offer. It is hard to sell what you don't have.

This is true. The angst in this case is about one certain kid named Ben who said he wouldn't play for Russell. Whether or not that was just an excuse to get out of town, we'll see when he either commits elsewhere, or here under a new coach that he approves of.

 

[oldish husky]

Re: Michigan Tech Offseason Thread I: Not Winning and the ensuing drama.

This is true. The angst in this case is about one certain kid named Ben who said he wouldn't play for Russell. Whether or not that was just an excuse to get out of town, we'll see when he either commits elsewhere, or here under a new coach that he approves of.

Idiots exist on this board. Most of them spend a lot of time calling other posters idiots. Geezer is definitely not one of them.

Players, like coaches, get to decide where they want to go (among their options). I wish the kid the best no matter where he goes. If he gets a scholarship offer, he's earned the right to make the choice.

Similarly, we can debate all day as to who Tech "should" hire as their new coach, but you can't make them come. You can try and make it as attactive as possible, but even then, there are limits. Do we really want a coach who is only here for the money?

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: Michigan Tech Offseason Thread I: Not Winning and the ensuing drama.

So has the "national search" been completed yet?

 

[geezer]

Re: Michigan Tech Offseason Thread I: Not Winning and the ensuing drama.

So has the "national search" been completed yet?

I don't suppose anyone saved a copy of the job posting from 8 yrs ago. It would be interesting to see how the wording changes (it's supposed to be posted today, I believe).
Wrong thread again, but congrats to Ben for taking home 1/2 of the Mr. Hockey award yesterday. A big accomplishment for any UP player, though it's not as fun when it's diluted.

edit: hockey trivia: who was the only prior mr. hockey award winner from Calumet (from the UP?), who rode the bench for Bob Mancini for a couple years before transferring to Finlandia and eventually playing minor league pro for 6 years or so?

 

[huskyfan]

Re: Michigan Tech Offseason Thread I: Not Winning and the ensuing drama.

I don't suppose anyone saved a copy of the job posting from 8 yrs ago. It would be interesting to see how the wording changes (it's supposed to be posted today, I believe).
Wrong thread again, but congrats to Ben for taking home 1/2 of the Mr. Hockey award yesterday. A big accomplishment for any UP player, though it's not as fun when it's diluted.

edit: hockey trivia: who was the only prior mr. hockey award winner from Calumet (from the UP?), who rode the bench for Bob Mancini for a couple years before transferring to Finlandia and eventually playing minor league pro for 6 years or so?

Bobby Rangas

 

[huskyfan]

Re: Michigan Tech Offseason Thread I: Not Winning and the ensuing drama.

although I think he rode Sertich's bench.