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Maine Offseason 2020: We Stay Home But Swayman Leaves

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Because the AD is not fully committed to doing a national search for the best candidate. He is putting together a small search committee only to satisfy HR before hiring Guite permanently. Probably because the department has no money to bring in a proven candidate. He will mention other reasons why he stuck with Guite, but the bottom line is money.

God this is a lazy critique. I've heard that Ben has done a tremendous job of helping the kids and people around the program stick together during what is absolutely the worst week in program history.

Ben probably shouldn't be named head coach, but I won't blame Ken Ralph for pulling the trigger on him if he does.
 
Because the AD is not fully committed to doing a national search for the best candidate. He is putting together a small search committee only to satisfy HR before hiring Guite permanently. Probably because the department has no money to bring in a proven candidate. He will mention other reasons why he stuck with Guite, but the bottom line is money.
Bingo/Spot on/Hammer to the nail.....don't expect any "BOLD" moves.....important hire and movement forward, don't expect it...nope.
 
Because the AD is not fully committed to doing a national search for the best candidate. He is putting together a small search committee only to satisfy HR before hiring Guite permanently. Probably because the department has no money to bring in a proven candidate. He will mention other reasons why he stuck with Guite, but the bottom line is money.
Bingo/Spot on/Hammer to the nail...no "BOLD" moves, important hire and movement forward...not happening/nope.
 
Dont kid yourselves, the job is Guites. The 'search' is nothing very rigorous Id guess. Im starting to think the AD wont be the savior of hockey, as hoped, he cant change the system, oh maybe in ten years.

If you think back over the past two years or less, all the indications are there that hockey wont go in a new coach direction. Starting with KRalphs discusion about coaching salaries and how overall the budget was tight and that there were several good coaching staffs who weren't paid enough and should be considered for increases. The football coach who left (cant recall his name . ... lol), for all we know left over pay. Several of the ladies teams are doing well, why would the AD turn his back on them and look to bump up the salary of a newly hired hockey coach. Then there was the whole mystery around Reds status for next year, what in the world was going on there.

But having said all this, this is no reason not to do a thorough diligent search and I gotta believe a good prospect could be had for comparable pay to what Red received. Or Guite might rise up as the best coach available.

Then there's the U's unwritten policies - someone from the glory days is always preferred because they know it will never happen again, just ride the good old days for all they can. They are always forgiving and sometimes overly supportive of coaches, makes up for things in hopes of keeping everyone happy and in place. This to me is the biggest reason why Guite stays. If they disrupt the black bear family by not allowing him to stay on then do they lose this cozy culture and other good coaches start looking around for greener grass?

If Guite gets the job, I wont be impressed but will support him for a while, long enough anyway to see what he is capable of.
 
The University of Maine has not run a search that was truly open and national since 1984. The other two times we hired the guy who was standing next to the last guy and the guy who used to stand next to the other guy.

The only time the hire was good was in 1984 when it was a competitive national search. Maybe let’s try doing that again.

I whole-heartedly agree that it needs to be a comprehensive national search; however that doesn't seem consistent with what the university likes to do. It seems to be either successful alumni, or members of prior regimes that always get the jobs. Absolutely true in the hockey realm, football has been the same since Cosgrove left, both basketball programs have hired alumni / internal candidates. Obviously, some of this has yielded success but I think the school needs to look inwards and truly think about what they want to be.

There's plenty of reason to believe that the Maine hockey job is incredibly desirable given the atmosphere, track record, fanbase, and eventual new facilities but does Ken Ralph really want that? UMass clearly did. They hired an innovative young coach and changed their culture. Right now, Maine has proven capable of producing top-tier individual talent that has yielded little team success. Guite may be the answer, but based on what? I wish they'd look at a body of work. Ben Barr should be the hire, and they'd be wise to swing for the fences.
 
I whole-heartedly agree that it needs to be a comprehensive national search; however that doesn't seem consistent with what the university likes to do. It seems to be either successful alumni, or members of prior regimes that always get the jobs. Absolutely true in the hockey realm, football has been the same since Cosgrove left, both basketball programs have hired alumni / internal candidates. Obviously, some of this has yielded success but I think the school needs to look inwards and truly think about what they want to be.

There's plenty of reason to believe that the Maine hockey job is incredibly desirable given the atmosphere, track record, fanbase, and eventual new facilities but does Ken Ralph really want that? UMass clearly did. They hired an innovative young coach and changed their culture. Right now, Maine has proven capable of producing top-tier individual talent that has yielded little team success. Guite may be the answer, but based on what? I wish they'd look at a body of work. Ben Barr should be the hire, and they'd be wise to swing for the fences.
 
Because; tipcapnews says so...he knows the in's and outs of the program...plus he is the architect of the 92-93 NC team.

I know the past thirteen months have been hard what with the virus, the lockdown, social distancing and so forth, but if you're feeling this miserable you might need some professional help. I can offer you a few referrals if you want. My own therapist does counseling via Zoom so that might be an option.
 
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you don't think there are UMaine employees with DUIs on their record?

Yeah, I have a hard time believing the faculty is full of convicted felons. High school coaches in Maine have been fired for DUI offenses and UMaine does have a history (which came up as a reason not to hire Monty last time)

All things being equal I would love to see Monty back. They aren't. I let it go a long time ago. It's way past time for some of you to do likewise.

It's 4/20 folks. Some of you badly need to chill out and blaze one up. It's legal now. Go right ahead.
 
Yeah, I have a hard time believing the faculty is full of convicted felons. High school coaches in Maine have been fired for DUI offenses and UMaine does have a history (which came up as a reason not to hire Monty last time)

All things being equal I would love to see Monty back. They aren't. I let it go a long time ago. It's way past time for some of you to do likewise.

It's 4/20 folks. Some of you badly need to chill out and blaze one up. It's legal now. Go right ahead.

We are discussing candidates. Are you? Puff, puff, pass.....
 
Bit of a leap from DUI to convicted felons but sure. DUI coach good enough for Colby banned for life at Maine

Depends what his BAC level was when he was arrested. DUI can be a felony offense in New York. And yeah, Colby is a private school and can do whatever it wants. UMaine is a public school. That's not going to fly with the taxpayers and the legislature, much less the powers that be behind the scenes.
 
People are completely missing the point here...

Monty has a great track record. Monty bleeds Blue. And Monty will likely work on the cheap, considering his need to rehab his career.

Signing him to a short-term, incentive-laden contract is a no-brainer.

Does anyone think that Barr really wants the Maine job in the first place???
 
People are completely missing the point here...

Monty has a great track record. Monty bleeds Blue. And Monty will likely work on the cheap, considering his need to rehab his career.

Signing him to a short-term, incentive-laden contract is a no-brainer.

Does anyone think that Barr really wants the Maine job in the first place???

If not Maine, where? Honestly I think Maine would be a great spot for him. There aren’t a ton of openings in Hockey East and there are a few schools that probably wouldn’t hire someone with no head coaching experience. Maybe he thinks Carvel will leave and he can take over there but if that isn’t going to happen Maine would be a good spot for him.
 
I know the past thirteen months have been hard what with the virus, the lockdown, social distancing and so forth, but if you're feeling this miserable you might need some professional help. I can offer you a few referrals if you want. My own therapist does counseling via Zoom so that might be an option.

Under your skin and in your head...so EZ...huh Architect 92-93.
 
Aaaah, gotta love this thread. Some interesting perspectives no doubt. Is there a stated timetable for the next Walshy selection ? (smiley). The suspense is killing me. If for no other reason having the U select a new coach perks the interest a bit. A chance to actually make an improvement on what has apparently been a chit show for some time. Lets see, I'm a Maine resident, or used to be one, and I could give a chit whether the new coach had a DUI, and I suspect the majority of Mainuhs could give a chit either. We all make mistakes. Supposedly Monty has been clean for some time now, no?

Regardless, I cant imagine that Guite can bring much to the program at this point. As has been stated over and over, I think his selection would mean the program remains in limbo, possibly even digressing if that's possible. Maybe we're all wrong. Maybe he knows how to get it done. My fear is they give him the job with a short prove it me contract and he does just well enough that they cant terminate him in 3 years or whatever the initial contract length is. And so we tread water some more.
 
Ken Ralph really doesn't care how the hockey program does right now......the "new" Walsh Center and other renovations are not coming for another 5-10 years. As they say....timing is everything. Ralph & Guite both benefited from the timing of a very tragic and unfortunate situation. It's pretty obvious that there are no large donors closely monitoring this program anymore.....it's just sort of dangling in the wind.
 
If not Maine, where? Honestly I think Maine would be a great spot for him. There aren’t a ton of openings in Hockey East and there are a few schools that probably wouldn’t hire someone with no head coaching experience. Maybe he thinks Carvel will leave and he can take over there but if that isn’t going to happen Maine would be a good spot for him.

I think perhaps an overlooked aspect is how much Carvel raved over his relationship with Red Gendron post-national championship. Perhaps Barr taking over the Maine job with a bit of additional mentoring from Carvel would be beneficial? Additionally, if Barr is recruiting over there, what are the odds he pulls a couple of talented players with him? I know the success is in Amherst at the moment, but why the hell not?

Also, I see zero reason Carvel leaves. He has a great gig at an A-10 school, Hockey East riser, and new(er) facilities. What job is more desirable as of now?
 
If not Maine, where? Honestly I think Maine would be a great spot for him. There aren't a ton of openings in Hockey East and there are a few schools that probably wouldn't hire someone with no head coaching experience. Maybe he thinks Carvel will leave and he can take over there but if that isn't going to happen Maine would be a good spot for him.

What if Barr is content to play the waiting game for awhile longer? He's been content to be the lead assistant at a string of programs up to now, and probably could already have snagged a D-1 head coaching job already if he wanted one. Maybe he's waiting for one of the "cream of the crop" jobs to open up, for different reasons, like BC (retirement), BU (impatience) or maybe even his alma mater RPI, if Dave Smith falters in his ongoing rebuild in Troy? And that's assuming Barr wants to stay in the East. Lots of other potential openings elsewhere in the D-1 world, and Barr has certainly earned the right to be choosy, after building a string of previously-nothing programs into more-than-something NC's, at least from a competitive standpoint.

The idea that he wouldn't draw serious consideration from any school, given his recruiting track record with Union, Providence and now UMass, is laughable. It's like saying if Grant Standbrook had declared interest in heading up another D-1 program at the apex of Walshy-era success, some schools wouldn't have been willing to consider him since he'd never been a HC before.

I'm not saying Barr wouldn't have a great opportunity in Orono - it would be. But you guys keep saying there is no money for a quality outside HC, and Barr would be the plum candidate for any number of programs, and can just stay put in Amherst for now (and I don't expect Carvel to leave FWIW) and patiently wait for something better to open up. If he felt it was urgent for him to move on, then yeah, UMaine is at or near the top of the list in the present moment. But I don't sense that urgency with Barr's situation. Not yet, anyway. We'll see how it all plays out soon enough ...
 
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