Maine Offseason 2020: We Stay Home But Swayman Leaves

[acs64]

He lives!.....in Florida! Hello old friend.

Viable candidates.....of course there must be someone out there that is willing to accept a 200K contract to coach a pre-historically successful program that has (had) tremendous fan support and has some facility improvements on the horizon. But will "viable" candidates meet the approval of the AD and more importantly the "good 'ole boys" that are ultimately in charge of a hire like this....???

Well maybe the good old boys need to be shown the exit.....f them. Howsabout we work on getting an energetic, intelligent and motivated sob who looks decent in a suit to run the program. Enough with the old attah boy we can get 'er done cant we? boys of the past. I had some hope for the Redster, maybe only because of some distant connections with him....but college hawkey aint easy to be successful in I suppose.

 

[umhockey91]

The "old girl ain't what she used to be.

2021 - If I told you that 3 Minnesota schools will be in the Frozen 4 and none of them are name Minnesota......would you believe me?

 

[NorthMike]

2021 - If I told you that 3 Minnesota schools will be in the Frozen 4 and none of them are name Minnesota......would you believe me?

What a great hockey culture out there in MN, ole Herb's initiative to support/grow MN youth hockey up through to feed the Gophers seems to still be working except the Gopher success part.
Duluth, Mankato, St Cloud - sure supports that theory out there that to have a successful hockey program you have to have a big fancy expensive on campus facility, be a private rich school, and be a metro school for well whatever they do in metro areas.

 

[AMC]

The "old girl ain't what she used to be.

2021 - If I told you that 3 Minnesota schools will be in the Frozen 4 and none of them are name Minnesota......would you believe me?

Three D-II schools who don’t light millions of dollars on fire playing FCS football and instead pour the vast majority of their resources into their only D-I programs.

That could be us. But instead of choosing one thing to be excellent at, the University of Maine tries to be all things to all people and gets mediocre results.

 

[Ma#1ne Hky]

Well maybe the good old boys need to be shown the exit.....f them. Howsabout we work on getting an energetic, intelligent and motivated sob who looks decent in a suit to run the program. Enough with the old attah boy we can get 'er done cant we? boys of the past. I had some hope for the Redster, maybe only because of some distant connections with him....but college hawkey aint easy to be successful in I suppose.

Time for a wake up call....watching these games this weekend...great action and games and all we can do is watch and WAIT while nothing happens @ Maine on what is the PLAN and where do we go from here....always a ?????marks and no answers....TIME TO WAKEUP Ken Ralph...time is here and now.

 

[acs64]

Time for a wake up call....watching these games this weekend...great action and games and all we can do is watch and WAIT while nothing happens @ Maine on what is the PLAN and where do we go from here....always a ?????marks and no answers....TIME TO WAKEUP Ken Ralph...time is here and now.

Maybe it will be different this time around.

 

[Ma#1ne Hky]

Maybe it will be different this time around.

You could be very well right...but from my view everything looks like nothing is in the works. Just status quo and all the while they wait and see, others pass them by in improving their Programs with the right people and plan. Seems like Maine is in the so called LAME DUCK MODE.

 

[Sean Pickett]

Three D-II schools who don’t light millions of dollars on fire playing FCS football and instead pour the vast majority of their resources into their only D-I programs.

That could be us. But instead of choosing one thing to be excellent at, the University of Maine tries to be all things to all people and gets mediocre results.

I'm two years behind on my NCAA Financial reports tracking (and 4 years behind on Minnesota State as they ignored my last requests), but none of the schools spend the vast majority of their resources on men's ice hockey. The average percentage of the athletic budget spent on men's ice hockey for 2010-18 for Minnesota-Duluth is the highest at 23.1%, for St. Cloud it was just 14.4% and for Minnesota State for 2010-16 it was 18%. For the most recent reports I have UMD reported men's ice hockey was 25.3% of expenses (2018), SCSU reported it was 15.3% (2018) and MSU reported it was 19% (2016). Even when you add in women's ice hockey it's still below 50% for each school: UMD 39.5% (average), 39.3% (2018); SCSU 22.8% (average), 24.6% (2018); and MSU 26.7% (average), 29.1% (2016). So, a significant amount of the overall athletic expenses, but far from a majority, let alone a vast majority.

For comparison, Maine spent an average of 10.01% of their expenses on men's ice hockey from 2010-18 and 9.7% in 2018. However, when you compare dollars it looks differently. Here are the average each team spent from 2010-18 (-16 for MSU): [TABLE="width: 213"]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl70"]Maine[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, align: right"]$1,974,759[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl70"]Minnesota State[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, align: right"]$1,973,659[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl70"]Minnesota-Duluth[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, align: right"]$2,215,755[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl70"]St. Cloud State[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, align: right"]$1,757,063[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


and here is how much each school spent in 2018 (2016 for MSU): [TABLE="width: 213"]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl70"]Maine[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, align: right"]$2,098,494[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl70"]Minnesota State[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, align: right"]$2,362,995[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl70"]Minnesota-Duluth[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, align: right"]$2,902,844[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl70"]St. Cloud State[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, align: right"]$2,034,429[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Sean

 

[Runsub5]

I'm two years behind on my NCAA Financial reports tracking (and 4 years behind on Minnesota State as they ignored my last requests), but none of the schools spend the vast majority of their resources on men's ice hockey. The average percentage of the athletic budget spent on men's ice hockey for 2010-18 for Minnesota-Duluth is the highest at 23.1%, for St. Cloud it was just 14.4% and for Minnesota State for 2010-16 it was 18%. For the most recent reports I have UMD reported men's ice hockey was 25.3% of expenses (2018), SCSU reported it was 15.3% (2018) and MSU reported it was 19% (2016). Even when you add in women's ice hockey it's still below 50% for each school: UMD 39.5% (average), 39.3% (2018); SCSU 22.8% (average), 24.6% (2018); and MSU 26.7% (average), 29.1% (2016). So, a significant amount of the overall athletic expenses, but far from a majority, let alone a vast majority.

For comparison, Maine spent an average of 10.01% of their expenses on men's ice hockey from 2010-18 and 9.7% in 2018. However, when you compare dollars it looks differently. Here are the average each team spent from 2010-18 (-16 for MSU): [TABLE="width: 213"]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl70"]Maine[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, align: right"]$1,974,759[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl70"]Minnesota State[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, align: right"]$1,973,659[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl70"]Minnesota-Duluth[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, align: right"]$2,215,755[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl70"]St. Cloud State[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, align: right"]$1,757,063[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
and here is how much each school spent in 2018 (2016 for MSU): [TABLE="width: 213"]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl70"]Maine[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, align: right"]$2,098,494[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl70"]Minnesota State[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, align: right"]$2,362,995[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl70"]Minnesota-Duluth[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, align: right"]$2,902,844[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl70"]St. Cloud State[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, align: right"]$2,034,429[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Sean

Thanks Sean. Very interesting! This begs the question if Maine is spending similar amounts of money (except possibly Minnesota-Duluth), why is Maine a mediocre program? Do you have a percentage of what the athletic department spends for hockey at Maine?

 

[Drew S.]

I'm two years behind on my NCAA Financial reports tracking (and 4 years behind on Minnesota State as they ignored my last requests), but none of the schools spend the vast majority of their resources on men's ice hockey. The average percentage of the athletic budget spent on men's ice hockey for 2010-18 for Minnesota-Duluth is the highest at 23.1%, for St. Cloud it was just 14.4% and for Minnesota State for 2010-16 it was 18%. For the most recent reports I have UMD reported men's ice hockey was 25.3% of expenses (2018), SCSU reported it was 15.3% (2018) and MSU reported it was 19% (2016). Even when you add in women's ice hockey it's still below 50% for each school: UMD 39.5% (average), 39.3% (2018); SCSU 22.8% (average), 24.6% (2018); and MSU 26.7% (average), 29.1% (2016). So, a significant amount of the overall athletic expenses, but far from a majority, let alone a vast majority.

For comparison, Maine spent an average of 10.01% of their expenses on men's ice hockey from 2010-18 and 9.7% in 2018. However, when you compare dollars it looks differently. Here are the average each team spent from 2010-18 (-16 for MSU): [TABLE="width: 213"]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl70"]Maine[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, align: right"]$1,974,759[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl70"]Minnesota State[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, align: right"]$1,973,659[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl70"]Minnesota-Duluth[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, align: right"]$2,215,755[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl70"]St. Cloud State[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, align: right"]$1,757,063[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


and here is how much each school spent in 2018 (2016 for MSU): [TABLE="width: 213"]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl70"]Maine[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, align: right"]$2,098,494[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl70"]Minnesota State[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, align: right"]$2,362,995[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl70"]Minnesota-Duluth[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, align: right"]$2,902,844[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl70"]St. Cloud State[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72, align: right"]$2,034,429[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Sean

I don’t think the total number is very meaningful. For example I’m sure every school values schollies differently but every school has a limit of 18. I would bet they allocate administrative expense to each team differently too as well. What counts is coaching budget, recruiting budget, travel budget, and equipment. All indications are Maine’s budget is severely limited in those areas.

 

[NorthMike]

I don’t think the total number is very meaningful. For example I’m sure every school values schollies differently but every school has a limit of 18. I would bet they allocate administrative expense to each team differently too as well. What counts is coaching budget, recruiting budget, travel budget, and equipment. All indications are Maine’s budget is severely limited in those areas.

Without checking rosters, Id go out on a limb and say the MN schools recruit budget is favorable in comparison due to the higher talent pool in MN.

 

[AMC]

I don’t think the total number is very meaningful. For example I’m sure every school values schollies differently but every school has a limit of 18. I would bet they allocate administrative expense to each team differently too as well. What counts is coaching budget, recruiting budget, travel budget, and equipment. All indications are Maine’s budget is severely limited in those areas.

I agree with this. The fuzzy math of "scholarships" isn't very meaningful to me. Do you still have that spreadsheet that broke things down by type of expense?

 

[Sean Pickett]

I don’t think the total number is very meaningful. For example I’m sure every school values schollies differently but every school has a limit of 18. I would bet they allocate administrative expense to each team differently too as well. What counts is coaching budget, recruiting budget, travel budget, and equipment. All indications are Maine’s budget is severely limited in those areas.

Here are the numbers for those categories, plus the athletic aid number and dollar amounts.
Average for 2010-18 (-16 MSU) [TABLE="width: 571"]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl63"]School[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, colspan: 2"]Athletic Aid[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64"]Head[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64"]Assist[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64"]Recruiting[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64"]Travel[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64"]Equip.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl64"] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl66"]AA[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64"]Men[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64"]Coach[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64"]Coaches[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64"]Men[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64"]Men[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64"]Men[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl63"]Maine[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]17.88[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]$627,870[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]$304,998[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]$270,224[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]$97,190[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]$191,666[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]$169,636[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl63"]Minnesota State[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]17.84[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]$327,798[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]$259,341[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]$230,549[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]$67,216[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]$193,208[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]$162,715[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl63"]Minnesota-Duluth[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]17.95[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]$411,533[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]$388,000[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]$284,045[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]$61,944[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]$247,284[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]$154,609[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl63"]St. Cloud State[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, align: right"]16.59[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]$341,579[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]$284,146[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]$257,352[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]$62,047[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]$258,523[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]$190,440[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


and the numbers for 2018 (2016 for MSU) [TABLE="width: 571"]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65"]School[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, colspan: 2"]Athletic Aid[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66"]Head[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66"]Assist[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66"]Recruiting[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66"]Travel[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66"]Equip.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl68"]AA[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66"]Men[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66"]Coach[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66"]Coaches[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66"]Men[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66"]Men[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66"]Men[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65"]Maine[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]18.00[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]$723,723[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]$331,216[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]$282,655[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]$94,587[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]$192,476[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]$229,580[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65"]Minnesota State[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]17.43[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]$402,669[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]$347,372[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]$265,954[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]$78,320[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]$257,736[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]$169,489[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65"]Minnesota-Duluth[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]18.93[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]$479,183[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]$550,625[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]$395,237[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]$76,333[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]$355,443[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]$170,119[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65"]St. Cloud State[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, align: right"]14.71[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]$402,172[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]$367,498[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]$291,074[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]$47,120[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]$282,923[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69, align: right"]$175,553[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

I agree with this. The fuzzy math of "scholarships" isn't very meaningful to me. Do you still have that spreadsheet that broke things down by type of expense?

See my sig: NCAA Financials is a link to the spreadsheet

Sean

 

[rw1733]

Somebody might know more about this than I do. Could they have an assistant coach from one of the playoff teams in mind and be waiting for the end of the tournament to announce something?

 

[Chuck Murray]

Somebody might know more about this than I do. Could they have an assistant coach from one of the playoff teams in mind and be waiting for the end of the tournament to announce something?

... or maybe a certain NHL assistant coach whose team is no longer a shoe-in for the playoffs?

 

[AMC]

See my sig: NCAA Financials is a link to the spreadsheet

Sean

And here's how I learned I somehow made it so I couldn't see anyone's signatures, and also couldn't get them to turn back on.

 

[Wayuphere]

All things being equal, $$$’s, leaves.....coaching.

 

[Sean Pickett]

And here's how I learned I somehow made it so I couldn't see anyone's signatures, and also couldn't get them to turn back on.

I don't know if this is your issue, but the current version of the software turned off the sigs for me when I set my account Conversation Details Options → Display mode → Latest Activity to show the newest posts at the top of the first page. The only way I found to turn them back on was to change back to Display mode → Posts with the newest posts at the bottom of the last page. I hope this helps.

Sean

 

[amkirby10]

Well, I suppose we're back online, finally. More exquisite demonstrations of technology from this forum.

 

[Ma#1ne Hky]

Yes there are interested people to Coach @ MAINE, but the problem is what Maine will and wants to pay....they want to pay 200-225k per year while anyone coming to Maine has 275-300k as a starting pay per year...so what I am saying is Gendron will be back for at least one more season. UNTIL Ralph figures it out, that he has to pay then you and I will be stuck with Gendron. As they say you get what you paid for. And with that said Gendron isn't going any where's as he has no where's to go and no one wants him either. Maine faithful and Program are stuck until money is found to bring the right Coach in.....sad to say the least.