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Maine 2012 - Take 2. If This Ain't the Bottom...

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It probably shouldn't, buit I think if TIMMAY manages to win another 6-8 games through the end of the year, he'll have done enough to probably salvage his job for another season, given the climate in Orono. A change needs to be made, but I really don't think anyone has the stones to make it, barring a second half of the season as disastrous as the first half.

IDK, Rufus... Do you think finishing as "well" as 12-22 will give Tim a chance to return and waste more of Maine's money..?

(Yeah, probably.) ;)
 
Re: Maine 2012 - Take 2. If This Ain't the Bottom...

IDK, Rufus... Do you think finishing as "well" as 12-22 will give Tim a chance to return and waste more of Maine's money..?

(Yeah, probably.) ;)
Just witness the Product on the ice...time for a change...it's not hard to see that TW will NEVER be able to Rebuild this Program,Thank Him/Pay Him and start the Re-tooling for the Future.
 
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the flu seemed to help in the win column

With your tough guy Joey Diamond out of the lineup and everything you love about him and they win without him on the ice. Do you not Know It All , or what?
 
Re: Maine 2012 - Take 2. If This Ain't the Bottom...

IDK, Rufus... Do you think finishing as "well" as 12-22 will give Tim a chance to return and waste more of Maine's money..?

(Yeah, probably.) ;)

No way in hel l they win 8 more games. Maine can come up w/ the 190K from all the former players & donors that want him gone. Don't tell me there aren't 20 people that would put up $9500 to get it done.
 
Re: Maine 2012 - Take 2. If This Ain't the Bottom...

No way in hel l they win 8 more games. Maine can come up w/ the 190K from all the former players & donors that want him gone. Don't tell me there aren't 20 people that would put up $9500 to get it done.

Since you are such a devoted Maine hockey fan and are convinced coach Whitehead should be dismissed, why don't you put up the first $9500.00? This would be the initial deposit and I am sure you could find 19 others who would be willing to contribute.:D
 
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As far as a new coach goes, it could help but there is a visibly bright future in the Maine recruiting classes recently. I've been a college hockey analyst for almost 18 years now and do have a couple candidates in mind that would fit well at Maine though.
 
Re: Maine 2012 - Take 2. If This Ain't the Bottom...

As far as a new coach goes, it could help but there is a visibly bright future in the Maine recruiting classes recently. I've been a college hockey analyst for almost 18 years now and do have a couple candidates in mind that would fit well at Maine though.

I agree with you.
 
Re: Maine 2012 - Take 2. If This Ain't the Bottom...

As far as a new coach goes, it could help but there is a visibly bright future in the Maine recruiting classes recently. I've been a college hockey analyst for almost 18 years now and do have a couple candidates in mind that would fit well at Maine though.

Some of us have hockey analysts for 30 years and we still would like to see Timmay take the door and one of several candidates replace him. Put that in your peace pipe and puff on it :D
 
Some of us have hockey analysts for 30 years and we still would like to see Timmay take the door and one of several candidates replace him. Put that in your peace pipe and puff on it :D

I'm well aware that I don't have as much experience as some other people. Don't worry
 
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With your tough guy Joey Diamond out of the lineup and everything you love about him and they win without him on the ice. Do you not Know It All , or what?

I am not sure I am following you.

It is a head coach's job to find the right chemistry in the players he uses.

Instead of using what Diamond has to offer, Tim tries to put a choke hold on him. and all of his team mates are against the physicality.

(I remember when Whitehead convinced Bellamy not to forecheck because "hitting someone in the corners takes Bellamy out of the play"... disregarding the fact that it also took the other guy out of the play and rang his bell pretty good)

Half of the BU national champ team of 2010 or 11 played with Joey's edge. And the refs could not call THAT many penalties in a game, so BU had a great advantage.... also Shawn's teams played like Joey.... Joey plays hockey.
 
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No way in hel l they win 8 more games. Maine can come up w/ the 190K from all the former players & donors that want him gone. Don't tell me there aren't 20 people that would put up $9500 to get it done.

And who is going to do it? Decisions on coaches are made by Athletic Directors. Maine's AD's contract runs out in July. Is he going to make a coaching hire right before he leaves? Is he going to just fire Whitehead and leave that job vacant until July for the new guy to make a hire? Is a new AD going to, as his first act, fire the hockey coach and conduct a coaching search in the mid-summer?

Face it, there's no window for TW to get fired after this season, unless Abbott re-ups as AD like now. It's easier for a lame duck AD to just kick the can down the road, let the new guy deal with TW's expiring contract next season.
 
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Half of the BU national champ team of 2010 or 11 played with Joey's edge. And the refs could not call THAT many penalties in a game, so BU had a great advantage.... also Shawn's teams played like Joey.... Joey plays hockey.

So explain how, with Joey out of the lineup, they managed to win the FCC ? Such critical physicality out of the lineup yet they beat two physical teams. Your know it all thing seems broken ? :D
 
Re: Maine 2012 - Take 2. If This Ain't the Bottom...

So explain how, with Joey out of the lineup, they managed to win the FCC ? Such critical physicality out of the lineup yet they beat two physical teams. Your know it all thing seems broken ? :D

Well they certainly didn't have to worry about killing off Joey's predictably dumb penalties. That no doubt helped.
 
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Fact: Maine Hockey is now financially break even at best for this season. Season ticket sales have fallen off the table. It may still have made money up til two years ago, but no longer. UMaine suffers badly without the Hockey team ringing the cash register.
Opinion. You have no way of knowing what Maine's fiscal situation is. The latest data that is available is from 2010. At that point the profit was $700,000. I documented what seats are available this weekend for the Mercyhurst game, but they still make major money from ticket sales and have plenty of other revenue streams. It's been speculated for years that Maine's hockey revenue has dropped off the cliff, but they have remained constant even as attendance has fallen. Stop charging outrageous prices for tickets and people might come back. As I said, most people aren't going to shell out $50/game even to see our 42-1-2 team.

Fact: Maine Hockey still has full scholarship money. It has not been cut, even in horrible economic times.
This is true. Not sure why it is relevant, but to my knowledge no program in the university system has had to reduce the number or value of scholarships. I would expect the value of a scholarship has gone up as the tuition and other expenses have gone up.

Fact: At 4-9-2, Maine has little hope of recruiting great kids from anywhere...until something fundamentally changes. The lustre and elite stature are g-o-n-e gone.
Example: Gee, why did a freshman star goalie like Jon Gillies from South Portland end up at Providence College? The kid has played great so far this season, lifting a perennially mediocre team to 4th place currently in Hockey East.
More opinion. First of all, the record is 4-11-2. As to why Gillies went to Providence, let's look at this from both Maine's perspective and his perspective. From Maine's perspective, would you agree that devoting 4 scholarships to goaltending might be a slight misallocation of resources? If yes, then you would have to rescind the scholarship money from one of the keepers. Sullivan was the starter, backstopped the team to consecutive sweeps of BC and BU (for the first time ever, by anyone) and helped the team earn an NCAA bid. Matt Morris was an incoming freshman and highly regarded. Should Maine have told him to pound sand? More than likely you'd have lost Ouellette, who was on the outs with the coaching staff (and apparently some players) at the start of the season.
Now look at it from Gillies perspective. At Maine he would be behind Sullivan (and/or Ouellette) and fighting to be the #2 (or #3) with Morris. One of them more than likely would have been redshirted. There is a chance he could come here and have to wait two years or more to become a regular starter, if he ever did. Or he could walk into Providence, be the undisputed #1 from day one and have a full four years (or less if he goes pro) as the starter. Which way would you go? Tough decision there.
 
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So explain how, with Joey out of the lineup, they managed to win the FCC ? Such critical physicality out of the lineup yet they beat two physical teams. Your know it all thing seems broken ? :D
Friday is pretty obvious, its called Marty. Saturday is called Matty. I'll take whatever you are smoking if you believe Maine has a physical presence on the ice.
 
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I am not going to reveal any specific instances or cases, but Maine has not been able to compete with other Division 1 (Hockey East) schools in the recruiting process. There have been financial benefits offered by other schools that Maine has not been able to compete with. Does anyone know whether the NCAA governs the total compensation package offered to a recruit?
 
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Diamond does not = "physicality" ............
 
Re: Maine 2012 - Take 2. If This Ain't the Bottom...

I am not going to reveal any specific instances or cases, but Maine has not been able to compete with other Division 1 (Hockey East) schools in the recruiting process. There have been financial benefits offered by other schools that Maine has not been able to compete with. Does anyone know whether the NCAA governs the total compensation package offered to a recruit?

UMaine spends too much on "3" goalies...........should spend more scholarship money on offense............
 
Re: Maine 2012 - Take 2. If This Ain't the Bottom...

I am not going to reveal any specific instances or cases, but Maine has not been able to compete with other Division 1 (Hockey East) schools in the recruiting process. There have been financial benefits offered by other schools that Maine has not been able to compete with. Does anyone know whether the NCAA governs the total compensation package offered to a recruit?
The NCAA certainly does govern the total compensation package that's given to student-athletes. A scholarship is supposed to cover room&board, books and cost of tuition. Athletes are entitled to Pell Grants and other aid that other students can claim as well. Anything more counts as an illegal benefit. If you have proof of other schools offering illegal benefits to players, by all means, sic the NCAA on them. It would be justice if *cough* certain coaches *cough* in Hockey East were busted for providing players with illegal benefits. Then again when BU admitted that they may have violated NCAA rules (not to mention the Clery Act) with the criminal activities of certain hockey players, the NCAA did a big fat nothing. So who knows if the NCAA still has the same investigative zeal it had, say, 20 years ago.
 
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Re: Maine 2012 - Take 2. If This Ain't the Bottom...

I am not going to reveal any specific instances or cases, but Maine has not been able to compete with other Division 1 (Hockey East) schools in the recruiting process. There have been financial benefits offered by other schools that Maine has not been able to compete with. Does anyone know whether the NCAA governs the total compensation package offered to a recruit?

Hockey has 18 full scholarship equivalents for most D1 conferences. It is designated as an equivalency sport, so they can be divided between players. Players can recieve , Room , Board, Tuition & Fees, Books, and academic support. Additionally, athletes may be eligble to recieve academic or other financial aid to support them up to a full scolarship level

They can't recieve other financial incentives...so in theory it is a level playing field...but travelling to ORONO is more expensive than Boston...who has a good equipment deal ( 1, 2 or 3 pairs of skates per year??? which sticks?),who has a great rink and facilities....so there are other variables that athletes consider, including winning and the chance to go pro ( 3.8% of hockey players get to some level of pro, according to NCAA)

Coaches can have some influence on a marginal academic athlete getting in..but they have to pass clearing house etc....
 
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