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It's interesting. Someone using a fake name calls someone else a fraud. It's pretty easy to hide behind a screen name while publicly smearing someone else. Classy. Very Classy.
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LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread
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Lakers2Glory
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Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread
You must have spoke with 1 or 2 players because a bunch that I spoke with were either indifferent or glad he was gone.
Hard to say. They really like Roque.
You must have spoke with 1 or 2 players because a bunch that I spoke with were either indifferent or glad he was gone.
Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread
I am awaiting a call back from a person at the University to help clear this up. What I found out so far is this. I Googled Joe Shawhan LSSU Hockey and lots of information came up including the announcement when Joey was hired as well as his media guide and Athletic Web site Bio’s from each year he was a coach at LSSU 2006-2009. Nowhere in any of it does it falsely state that he had a Bachelor’s degree in fact both Coach Roque’s (B.A. Business ’87 LSSU) and Coach Christian’s media Bio’s DID state their respective Bachelor Degree’s but Joey’s isn’t listed anywhere. Why would you think that would be Mr. Hockey 8? I found one article from way back that said Joey was studying Mechanical Engineering Technology at LSSU which would be a Bachelors of Science.
The guide that Mr. Hockey 8 talks about is a publication that was printed every three years at the time and is called the Academic Catalog. The one mentioned by Hockey 8 was printed in the summer of 2006 which is when Joey was hired and was reprinted in 2010, after Joey left. He is not listed in the Professor area boasting accomplishments as Mr. Hockey 8 indicates but is listed in an employee directory area as are all coaches. It is an alphabetical listing that lists names, position at the University and degree. It has Joey as having a B.A. in ’87 from LSSU. As mentioned, I have been told that Mechanical Engineering at LSSU is a B.S. degree not a B.A.
I will post more when I hear back from my connection at the University if there is anything new.
The school catalog from 2006-2009 has Joe Shawhan listed as having a Bachelors of Science. Two Associate degrees do not magically equal a bachelors degree in the school catalog where professors proudly state their credentials that they earned. That is considered fraud.
I am awaiting a call back from a person at the University to help clear this up. What I found out so far is this. I Googled Joe Shawhan LSSU Hockey and lots of information came up including the announcement when Joey was hired as well as his media guide and Athletic Web site Bio’s from each year he was a coach at LSSU 2006-2009. Nowhere in any of it does it falsely state that he had a Bachelor’s degree in fact both Coach Roque’s (B.A. Business ’87 LSSU) and Coach Christian’s media Bio’s DID state their respective Bachelor Degree’s but Joey’s isn’t listed anywhere. Why would you think that would be Mr. Hockey 8? I found one article from way back that said Joey was studying Mechanical Engineering Technology at LSSU which would be a Bachelors of Science.
The guide that Mr. Hockey 8 talks about is a publication that was printed every three years at the time and is called the Academic Catalog. The one mentioned by Hockey 8 was printed in the summer of 2006 which is when Joey was hired and was reprinted in 2010, after Joey left. He is not listed in the Professor area boasting accomplishments as Mr. Hockey 8 indicates but is listed in an employee directory area as are all coaches. It is an alphabetical listing that lists names, position at the University and degree. It has Joey as having a B.A. in ’87 from LSSU. As mentioned, I have been told that Mechanical Engineering at LSSU is a B.S. degree not a B.A.
I will post more when I hear back from my connection at the University if there is anything new.
Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread
It's my understanding most the hockey players major in the Business program because you can graduate in 3 years. If they chose too.
Teacher Education at LSSU is tanking in general. One should seek out a program at Central, Western or Northern if getting a teaching degree. Not Lake State.
It's my understanding most the hockey players major in the Business program because you can graduate in 3 years. If they chose too.
Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread
midge, many of us are aware that Julia Roque and her assistant (at Julia's direction) were using that Facebook page, and Twitter for that matter, to launch a campaign disparaging Dunbar and LSSU as soon as the announcement was made early last week that Jim Roque's contract would not be renewed. No doubt they convinced some of their friends to participate, but most if not all Lakers hockey players and former players have distanced themselves from that effort. I think most Lakers fans on this forum agree that the mistake Dunbar made was not in firing Roque but in keeping him around for as along as she did.Interesting. Just read this on the Facebook page entitled 'Believe in Laker Hockey'. It was posted by an LSSU alum:
"For all you Laker Fans and Supporters...I went to school with Kris Bullock. She despised hockey then and refused to attend games even though she dated M. Astley for three years. He would go to her games but she would not attend his games. The results of the poor choice for the leadership positions at LSSU are starting to show....this school has a major decision it has to make in the next year...if you are going to have an university, university size buildings, university size programs then u better have a enough students that can make it a go and leadership that has balls to lead."
This person went on to say:
"Last comment....search LSSU.edu website and input the search string audited financials and you will see something pretty amazing....Here is a tidbit to water your search....LSSU outstanding debt exceeds $25,000,000.00 at the end of 2012...Not sure how this school can survive this type of debt with 3,000 or less students each year...."
Finally, this person posted an interesting link:
Here is the linkhttps://www.lssu.edu/busoff/documents/AnnualFR-11.pdf
Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread
Nice catch, Bill.
midge, many of us are aware that Julia Roque and her assistant (at Julia's direction) were using that Facebook page, and Twitter for that matter, to launch a campaign disparaging Dunbar and LSSU as soon as the announcement was made early last week that Jim Roque's contract would not be renewed. No doubt they convinced some of their friends to participate, but most if not all Lakers hockey players and former players have distanced themselves from that effort. I think most Lakers fans on this forum agree that the mistake Dunbar made was not in firing Roque but in keeping him around for as along as she did.
Nice catch, Bill.
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Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread
Omnino de iudicio!!!
Omnino de iudicio!!!
Truth Serum
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Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread
I can't believe this could happen up there with the people you mentioned? You must have your facts wrong sir!
Year 10 would have been the best one yet for Lake Superior under Jim Roque!!
midge, many of us are aware that Julia Roque and her assistant (at Julia's direction) were using that Facebook page, and Twitter for that matter, to launch a campaign disparaging Dunbar and LSSU as soon as the announcement was made early last week that Jim Roque's contract would not be renewed. No doubt they convinced some of their friends to participate, but most if not all Lakers hockey players and former players have distanced themselves from that effort. I think most Lakers fans on this forum agree that the mistake Dunbar made was not in firing Roque but in keeping him around for as along as she did.
I can't believe this could happen up there with the people you mentioned? You must have your facts wrong sir!
Year 10 would have been the best one yet for Lake Superior under Jim Roque!!
Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread
I heard back from my friend at the University. I was told there are many errors in the directory. Information does not come from the employee. It comes over from HR on new hires. Process is as follows.
HR is provided information on a job from the Department Head and does a posting. Applicants fill out a University Application which includes education, experience etc. as well as provide additional materials such as a resume’
HR researches and validates applicant’s information. It is next to impossible to falsify education and get away with it. Even harder to falsify LSSU education while applying for a job at LSSU. One could possibly falsify work experience and get away with it.
Upon hire HR sends directory information to PR for updating directory list. Errors in this get worked out over time. Virtually impossible to not meet job posting requirements and get hired so posting was probably written with Joey’s situation in mind because he was the person they wanted to hire. No place other than directory lists Joey Shawhan as having a Bachelors degree.
Sorry, was asked to take away the last part of my post because the person is wants to remain anonymous.
The school catalog from 2006-2009 has Joe Shawhan listed as having a Bachelors of Science. Two Associate degrees do not magically equal a bachelors degree in the school catalog where professors proudly state their credentials that they earned. That is considered fraud.
I heard back from my friend at the University. I was told there are many errors in the directory. Information does not come from the employee. It comes over from HR on new hires. Process is as follows.
HR is provided information on a job from the Department Head and does a posting. Applicants fill out a University Application which includes education, experience etc. as well as provide additional materials such as a resume’
HR researches and validates applicant’s information. It is next to impossible to falsify education and get away with it. Even harder to falsify LSSU education while applying for a job at LSSU. One could possibly falsify work experience and get away with it.
Upon hire HR sends directory information to PR for updating directory list. Errors in this get worked out over time. Virtually impossible to not meet job posting requirements and get hired so posting was probably written with Joey’s situation in mind because he was the person they wanted to hire. No place other than directory lists Joey Shawhan as having a Bachelors degree.
Sorry, was asked to take away the last part of my post because the person is wants to remain anonymous.
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LSSULaker889294
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Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread
Former Laker Dean Dixon passed away after losing his battle with cancer. He played with the Lakers from 1983-87 and was captain of the 1986-87 team.
http://www.lssulakers.com/sports/m-hockey/2013-14/releases/Dixon_Dean_obit
Former Laker Dean Dixon passed away after losing his battle with cancer. He played with the Lakers from 1983-87 and was captain of the 1986-87 team.
http://www.lssulakers.com/sports/m-hockey/2013-14/releases/Dixon_Dean_obit
michiganmidge
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Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that the players have been 'advised' by the AD not to discuss this matter. Sometimes this looks like indifference.
You must have spoke with 1 or 2 players because a bunch that I spoke with were either indifferent or glad he was gone.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that the players have been 'advised' by the AD not to discuss this matter. Sometimes this looks like indifference.
michiganmidge
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Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread
I left out the name of the person who made these posts. You're free to check it out on Facebook. The page is Believe in Laker Hockey.
midge, many of us are aware that Julia Roque and her assistant (at Julia's direction) were using that Facebook page, and Twitter for that matter, to launch a campaign disparaging Dunbar and LSSU as soon as the announcement was made early last week that Jim Roque's contract would not be renewed. No doubt they convinced some of their friends to participate, but most if not all Lakers hockey players and former players have distanced themselves from that effort. I think most Lakers fans on this forum agree that the mistake Dunbar made was not in firing Roque but in keeping him around for as along as she did.
I left out the name of the person who made these posts. You're free to check it out on Facebook. The page is Believe in Laker Hockey.
Lakers2Glory
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Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread
As they shouldn't. Time to move on...
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that the players have been 'advised' by the AD not to discuss this matter. Sometimes this looks like indifference.
As they shouldn't. Time to move on...
michiganmidge
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Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread
Just making the point that this outward appearance of indifference does not mean the players didn't like Roque, as you stated previously. They, in fact, do like Roque. It's an unfortunate situation for them. Amen.
As they shouldn't. Time to move on...
Just making the point that this outward appearance of indifference does not mean the players didn't like Roque, as you stated previously. They, in fact, do like Roque. It's an unfortunate situation for them. Amen.
Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread
I don't doubt that someone made the post, but it may very well be just part of the general smear campaign that was started by Julia Roque against LSSU in general and Dunbar in particular. I'm also aware that there are those (especially but not exclusively) in the Soo who feel that Dunbar is too basketball oriented and doesn't care enough about the hockey program. I suppose one could make the argument that the fact she hasn't fired Roque before now is evidence of that indifference/dislike. And there are others who will say that can't be right because she's married to Alan Dunbar who was an assistant hockey coach at LSSU and head hockey coach at Soo High, so she must have some interest in hockey. I don't know Dunbar and I don't now what she thinks about hockey. I'll leave that for those in the Soo to hash out.I left out the name of the person who made these posts. You're free to check it out on Facebook. The page is Believe in Laker Hockey.
Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread
Bill, you must remember the circumstances that led to Dunbar being made the A.D. After Crawford's folly in handling the whole Anzalone/Roque affair, Dunbar was given the job for the very same reasons Roque was but with a very important exception. Like Roque, she agreed to work on the cheap and the administration felt that she, like Roque, put in her dues and it was now her time. She, however, was made to feel as Roque's co-equal and not superior. Its not like she disliked the hockey program but felt that it was Roque's domain and unless Roque specifically asked for something, she stayed out of the way. In the beginning, I can see how she may have viewed Jim as a colleague rather than as one of her employees but as she grew into her job she should have taken a much more proactive approach concerning Roque and his handling of the team. Perhaps she did not have the support to do so but she really should have made more of a push to remove Roque much sooner than she finally did.
No matter now, she finally did the right thing and despite this laughable smear campaign (someone should tell Jullia Roque that Lake State will not be so easily bullied as the Soo Michigan Amateur Hockey Assoc...yes may of us here remember that disgusting incident... and that ole JimBo hubby aint getting his job back) I am sure she has the full support of the administration in searching for a new candidate.
Players were generally indifferent to Roque by the 3rd week into the season. At the end of this season, many of them were probably saying what the hell took so long!
I don't doubt that someone made the post, but it may very well be just part of the general smear campaign that was started by Julia Roque against LSSU in general and Dunbar in particular. I'm also aware that there are those (especially but not exclusively) in the Soo who feel that Dunbar is too basketball oriented and doesn't care enough about the hockey program. I suppose one could make the argument that the fact she hasn't fired Roque before now is evidence of that indifference/dislike. And there are others who will say that can't be right because she's married to Alan Dunbar who was an assistant hockey coach at LSSU and head hockey coach at Soo High, so she must have some interest in hockey. I don't know Dunbar and I don't now what she thinks about hockey. I'll leave that for those in the Soo to hash out.
Bill, you must remember the circumstances that led to Dunbar being made the A.D. After Crawford's folly in handling the whole Anzalone/Roque affair, Dunbar was given the job for the very same reasons Roque was but with a very important exception. Like Roque, she agreed to work on the cheap and the administration felt that she, like Roque, put in her dues and it was now her time. She, however, was made to feel as Roque's co-equal and not superior. Its not like she disliked the hockey program but felt that it was Roque's domain and unless Roque specifically asked for something, she stayed out of the way. In the beginning, I can see how she may have viewed Jim as a colleague rather than as one of her employees but as she grew into her job she should have taken a much more proactive approach concerning Roque and his handling of the team. Perhaps she did not have the support to do so but she really should have made more of a push to remove Roque much sooner than she finally did.
No matter now, she finally did the right thing and despite this laughable smear campaign (someone should tell Jullia Roque that Lake State will not be so easily bullied as the Soo Michigan Amateur Hockey Assoc...yes may of us here remember that disgusting incident... and that ole JimBo hubby aint getting his job back) I am sure she has the full support of the administration in searching for a new candidate.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that the players have been 'advised' by the AD not to discuss this matter. Sometimes this looks like indifference.
Players were generally indifferent to Roque by the 3rd week into the season. At the end of this season, many of them were probably saying what the hell took so long!
Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread
Oh I completely agree that Dunbar tried to stay out of Roque's domain, even when she should have become more involved because of the way he was treating players and the fact that she was his boss. I think many of the players came to think of him as being a bit on the crazy side. They never knew what to expect from him.Bill, you must remember the circumstances that led to Dunbar being made the A.D. After Crawford's folly in handling the whole Anzalone/Roque affair, Dunbar was given the job for the very same reasons Roque was but with a very important exception. Like Roque, she agreed to work on the cheap and the administration felt that she, like Roque, put in her dues and it was now her time. She, however, was made to feel as Roque's co-equal and not superior. Its not like she disliked the hockey program but felt that it was Roque's domain and unless Roque specifically asked for something, she stayed out of the way. In the beginning, I can see how she may have viewed Jim as a colleague rather than as one of her employees but as she grew into her job she should have taken a much more proactive approach concerning Roque and his handling of the team. Perhaps she did not have the support to do so but she really should have made more of a push to remove Roque much sooner than she finally did.
No matter now, she finally did the right thing and despite this laughable smear campaign (someone should tell Jullia Roque that Lake State will not be so easily bullied as the Soo Michigan Amateur Hockey Assoc...yes may of us here remember that disgusting incident... and that ole JimBo hubby aint getting his job back) I am sure she has the full support of the administration in searching for a new candidate.
Players were generally indifferent to Roque by the 3rd week into the season. At the end of this season, many of them were probably saying what the hell took so long!
Re: LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread
Michiganmidge. I think everyone thought Roque was going to be a good fit for the program when he hired. My god,he worked with two hugely successful coaches in Anzalone and Jackson. How could you work with those two coaches and not learn anything about being a winner. Impossible to me. My amazement is nine years later , the program pretty much stagnated if not slipping backwards and you seem to think we just lost a good coach in Jim Roque. How many years do you think any coach deserves who hasn't turn a program around ? Midge,he was given 9 years and for whatever reason , it didn't pan out in the end.
I think the university is trying to save the program by letting Roque go. It would have been much easier to keep him and sit back and watch second tier finishes year after year that would have driven the fans away for good,but they didn't . They set Roque free and are now hoping to find a coach who can rebuild the team into a better all round team on the ice. Getting rid of Roque was not an administration sitting on their hands but an administration that finally saw reality with Roque and has now decided a change is needed to get the team moving forward again.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that the players have been 'advised' by the AD not to discuss this matter. Sometimes this looks like indifference.
Michiganmidge. I think everyone thought Roque was going to be a good fit for the program when he hired. My god,he worked with two hugely successful coaches in Anzalone and Jackson. How could you work with those two coaches and not learn anything about being a winner. Impossible to me. My amazement is nine years later , the program pretty much stagnated if not slipping backwards and you seem to think we just lost a good coach in Jim Roque. How many years do you think any coach deserves who hasn't turn a program around ? Midge,he was given 9 years and for whatever reason , it didn't pan out in the end.
I think the university is trying to save the program by letting Roque go. It would have been much easier to keep him and sit back and watch second tier finishes year after year that would have driven the fans away for good,but they didn't . They set Roque free and are now hoping to find a coach who can rebuild the team into a better all round team on the ice. Getting rid of Roque was not an administration sitting on their hands but an administration that finally saw reality with Roque and has now decided a change is needed to get the team moving forward again.
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