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LSSU Lakers 2014 off season thread

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midge,you gave an excuse this year for Roque but what are your excuses for last year and the year before and the year before and I think you get it. Seems Union is smaller than Lake State out in the middle of up state New York and they are doing great.
 
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midge,you gave an excuse this year for Roque but what are your excuses for last year and the year before and the year before and I think you get it. Seems Union is smaller than Lake State out in the middle of up state New York and they are doing great.

Same old argument from you, citing one example. You were singing this tune nine years ago when Roque was the new coach and the Frank supporters were rallying about his coaching excellence. You retired people really need to get a hobby and get off this board. You're consumed with 'out-arguing' each other, and it's more than frustrating. Mark my words, any new coach will tank under the current regime. It's a fact.
 
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midge,you are so lost in your own fantasy that you don't know what is real or not real anymore. Everybody thought that Roque was going to be a good coach and after the first two years of over 500 and a trip to the Joe,we thought we were on the road back. Seven years later proved us wrong. Roque was given more time than Borek but the results were the same. nine years is a good amount of time to prove oneself and Roque just didn't get it done. It is over midge and as we gave the Roque team time to move forward , let us hope you give the new guy the same chance.
 
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I'm confused.

Is somebody defending Coach Roque or complaining about his firing?

I did NOT see that coming.

So some thoughts:

1. Money has nothing to do with collapsing in the second half, every single year.
2. Nobody is saying Coach Roque failed to recruit good talent. Part of he frustration is that he DID manage to bring in many great young kids. Again, money has nothing to do with what happens on the ice once the kids are on campus.
3. I believe Roque has been, and will be again, a tremendous top Assistant coach. Scott Borek was not a very good head coach -- but he has become a top flight and relatively well paid assistant back out East.
4. Nine years is a long time to show something. Throwing more money a coach who has failed to deliver anything beyond modest October-November results for 9 years is clearly not the answer.
5. LSSU has always been a school that thrived, in many ways, on adversity. The present hand-wringing over the college is nothing new. Coach Anzalone had nothing when he stepped behind the bench in the mid-80s, but he refused to allow himself, his team, or LSSU be defined by what we DIDN'T have. He refused to accept tepid local fan support, and absolutely would not tolerate tepid student support. Not to be a Frank cheerleader, but he didn't accept second-best as good enough in any facet of the University -- regardless of money, student size, and isolation.
6. Yes, those are the good old days. I hear that a lot -- especially from apologist who can't see LSSU as anything more than a small isolated, perpetually broke, college. And I know that hockey rules have changed. But you know what? All the other D-I hockey schools were playing by the same rules back then, too -- Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan State, North Dakota, and Denver -- all ha the same D-I rules.
7. And while were on the subject -- its true the D-I hockey world was different in 1988, for example. But were Ferris or Tech winning titles back then? Michigan? Nope. Denver and CC? Nope. North Dakota -- 1987 was the Hrkac Circus, but then had a fallow period until 1997. But LSSU did. Why?
Not because millions of dollars suddenly appeared.
Not because LSSU outspent everyone. At the time, LSSU still had the smallest budget in D-I sports (as I recall -- no citation to verify).
LSSU won because the coach and the players REFUSED to be second best. The coach -- and I'm speaking of Frank here -- literally refused to accept any excuses.

So its time for Coach Roque to move on down the road. I don't care who LSSU gets as a coach. I don't expect nor demand National Titles or even conference titles. But I demand from the new coach that there be no excuses. None.

All of you posters herein are generally correct: LSSU walks on a razor's edge between total failure and barely-just-making-it. We've never had money. The Soo has never had money -- at least not since the French were chased out and the English subsequently kicked over the river.

We will never have money.
We will never get many blue chip players, if any -- And even if we get a random blue-chipper, only one or two per four-year window.

But we can ...... not .......have.......excuses.

We must be bold, brash, arrogant.
We must not accept second-best.

Sadly, I feel that is what Coach Roque was doing, more and more often. Too many excuses. Not enough bravado.

And at LSSU, and in the emptiness of the EUP and the impoverished Soo, sometimes bravado and arrogance are all we have.
 
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Very good points Lakerblue. Midge, the one thing LSSU offers to quality players that the big boys may not is the opportunity to be the big fish in the small pond not the small fish in the big pond.
 
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I remember when people use to say the Soo was a nice place to grow up in. Now it seems some think it is the end of the world and why would anyone even want to go there. I still enjoy getting up to the Soo and I think it is a great place for kids to go to school at and enjoy the beauty of the U. P .
 
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I remember when people use to say the Soo was a nice place to grow up in. Now it seems some think it is the end of the world and why would anyone even want to go there. I still enjoy getting up to the Soo and I think it is a great place for kids to go to school at and enjoy the beauty of the U. P .

Still a great place to live and grow up. But you have to enjoy the quiet, the outdoors, the woods, the Lake(s). But we can't pretend its a wealthy community, or a "destination" community beyond an hour at the Locks. The Soo is the Soo. I love it. My kids love it. My neighbors love it. But its not suddenly going to sprout millionaires by the dozen.
 
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The Islanders have announced that Czuzcman will dress for tonight's game against the Wild. I believe he is the first Laker since Weight to go from a Laker uniform directly to an NHL uniform.
 
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Still a great place to live and grow up. But you have to enjoy the quiet, the outdoors, the woods, the Lake(s). But we can't pretend its a wealthy community, or a "destination" community beyond an hour at the Locks. The Soo is the Soo. I love it. My kids love it. My neighbors love it. But its not suddenly going to sprout millionaires by the dozen.

Sounds like this could be said for several communities in the WCHA. I can see this being true for Bemidji as well.
 
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I don't expect nor demand National Titles or even conference titles.

Make up your mind already! Now you don't want conference titles or national titles?! Geesh. What is it we're discussing here then?! You seem to think I'm complaining about Roque's contract not being renewed. I am past that. Not living in any little fantasy world as someone said previously. I do, however, wish to make my point clear. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. With the same AD holding the same purse strings, Lake State is not going to get much in the way of the coach you all seem to be seeking. They job pays $80k. Not even half of what they're paying at Northern, and three times less than what Tech pays. Also, it comes with two underpaid assistants - one full time, one part time. Good luck squeezing blood from that stone! When I speak of money, I speak of getting what you've paid for. This program is going nowhere under the current AD. Unless things change.

Also, they tried the old bravado/arrogance thing when they hired Anzalone back for a second stint. Seems it didn't work so well. Kind of blows that theory. Next!

My comments about what happened this past season are not excuses. They are facts .... facts from an observer of the game. I'm sure Roque owns his season and have not heard him make any comments that sound like excuses.
 
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Midge,seems truth serum got to you,you also seem to think 2014-1015 would have been the best year under Roqie yet
 
Midge,seems truth serum got to you,you also seem to think 2014-1015 would have been the best year under Roqie yet

Nope. Didn't say that. You again fail to see my point. I'll try to make it more clear. ANY new coach coming into the current situation (READ: administration) at Lake State is going to suffer the same fate as the last. Nothing will improve. Clean house from the top down people!
 
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Nope. Didn't say that. You again fail to see my point. I'll try to make it more clear. ANY new coach coming into the current situation (READ: administration) at Lake State is going to suffer the same fate as the last. Nothing will improve. Clean house from the top down people!

This remains to be seen, however, I am much more optimistic than you. Roque constantly used the excuse that his top line was in the AHL this year; now think about that more a moment. The Lakers had three under-classmen who proved to be good enough to play in the top minor pro league in N.A. (if not the world) within 6 months of leaving school. This year we may see Czuzcman jump directly from Lake State's roster to the friggen NHL!! This means that Lake State has been able to attract some pretty **** fine talent to, as you would like to say, a remote outpost bordering nothing but the wilds of the earth. Despite being a losing program for the past 7 years, this tiny, out of the way and very very broke (according to some the school is set to announce official closure any minute and the wrecking ball has already been summoned) institution with a less than likeable head coach, managed to draw players good enough to make the NHL....shoe string budget and all!! We have to then conclude that this team had (and has) the talent but something was preventing them from achieving success.

Gee Midge, I wonder what that something could have been?? Oh I know, ya think the coach had anything to do with it?!?!?!?!?!
 
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I don't claim to know much about the current situation of Lake State hockey, but I grew up watching some very good, no great, Laker teams when they would make the trip to Big Rapids. If it could be done in the 80's and 90's, I would think it could be done now. If Ferris could ever produce 1/2 of what Lake State has done in hockey I would be proud for life. It has to be frustrating to watch a team that often is loaded with talent not get it done year after year.

The WCHA needs a strong Laker team and you should expect a strong commitment from the university.
 
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The WCHA needs a strong Laker team and you should expect a strong commitment from the university.

Good luck with that. University has its own long list of issues to deal with. Committing to Laker Hockey is not one of them.
 
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Good luck with that. University has its own long list of issues to deal with. Committing to Laker Hockey is not one of them.

In the 80's and early 90's, Lake State was a fun school to attend. That is no longer.

Lake State's budget in the 80's and 90's was always in top half of budgets in the CCHA.

Lake State's enrollment in the late 80's and 90's was 3000 and not 2100(seeking a four year degree) like the current enrollment. The one thing Lake State has going for them is they don't have high admission standards.

Bud Cooper was the AD and he was a champion in positioning Lake State in the CCHA. Bud had respect amongst his peers.

There are NCAA rules in place now pertaining to many of the things that Frank Anzalone did as a coach. The NCAA made rules like these to prevent coaches like him from harassing and abusing players. The rules were in place before he came around the second time. It is against NCAA rules to get your players off the bus after a road trip and skate them.

People in the Sault are never going to come out to see the likes of Mankato and Bemidji like they did for Michigan, Michigan State, and Notre Dame. The CCHA was prestigious. The WCHA is no longer prestigious. That ship has sailed.

There are probably 300 plus Full scholarships available to play Division 1 hockey that were not available to hockey players in the late 80's and early 90's. Penn State, All the MIAC schools, Conneticut, etc and all the Ivy League Schools that give full financial aid packages now just as if they are scholarships because their endowments are so large. More people fighting over a small pool of athletes. A kid who got a half ride at Lake State in the 80's is now going to Canisius on a full ride. Not to mention private schools have other scholarships available via endowment that Lake State doesn't have because Lake State lives off of tuition and has a non-existent endowment.

5 presidents in 12 years and who hires a superintendent to lead a university. 5 years ago Lake State hired a retired Superintendent from the local school district(with no college administration experience) as an interim president. For some reason, the board decided to keep him for 5 years despite the fact that they gave him year to year contracts. He made several controversial moves at the Sault Schools and many locals turned on him when he was superintendent. The Sault school's enrollment went down under his direction b/c many kids transferred out to private and charter schools. First president at Lake State to never give the employees a raise during his presidency. Losing state accredidation in some teaching certifications. Enrollment going down.....and last year the Higher Learning Commission only giving the school a 5 year reaccrediation instead of a 10 year. HLC accrediation is not difficult, that is need for concern. What a legacy to leave.....

The town's population is aging. Many residents are over 60. Many living on fixed incomes. The City of Sault Sainte Marie needs a reawakening. I heard the city was going belly up on the parking structure they built that they can't afford the payments for. Sounds like the Fine Arts Center(no fine arts degrees at Lake State) that Lake State built that they coudn't afford. And now the School of Business Building that they have not been able to raise $3 million for. Maybe Rick Sndyer can send in some emergency managers.....
 
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I find it interesting that those posters who are obviously upset that Roque's contract was not renewed have come on here to criticize Dunbar, complain about the schools finances, and even the city's finances, but they have said nothing about why they think Roque is a good coach and should have received a new contract. It seems to be all about blaming someone or something else for the lack of the teams' success. They evidently feel that Roque as head coach bears no responsibility for that lack of success. I think most of us agree that he has a good eye for talent, but that skill is just as suitable, if not more so, for an assistant coach. The head coach still has to develop and mold that talent as a team and that hasn't happened. Some have said that no one else could have done any better than Roque, but that is just an argument without an argument.
 
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I thought hockey this season was not hockey of the past. The Big Ten with six teams is boring as hell and the new NCHC is a bunch of wannabes who thought losing the Big Ten teams made it their drive to produce some kind of super league by special invite to the league. I am glad the east teams stay the same for the most part .
 
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