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LSSU Laker Hockey
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AnchorsAway
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For once I agree with you BJR, (regarding that last line) Roque certainly is great at off the ice politics, he says the right things to the right people which no doubt has helped his cause of holding on to the job in the past...which you have to give hime credit for, he's not a dumb guy when it comes to that sort of thing....
Regarding the playoffs, I'm proud of the Lakers, they did a fine job sweeping OSU in the first home series in a few years...going into the ND series most did not think they would challenge ND very much and that the Irish would get away with a relatively easy sweep, pushing them to three games including an overtime loss on Friday and then staving off elimination for one more night Saturday on a top 10 team's home ice was a good accomplishment for this team...In the end the stronger team did prevail in the series but considering the fact that ND has 4th liners who have 10 goals on the season and who are also NHL draft picks, that was to be expected...
Personally I don't think the playoff run should preserve Roque's job....the Lakers tied UMD (a top 10 team all year long and a likely NCAA tournament team), beat ND on their home ice (a top 10 team all year long and a likely NCAA tournament team), beat Miami in a shootout on their home ice (a top 10 team all year long and likely NCAA title contender) and beat Western Michigan twice, once in regulation and once in a shootout (a top 20 team all year long an a possible NCAA team)...so they were clearly capable of competing with and beating some of the NCAA best teams, however they also lost to Michigan State (on home ice), Bowling Green and Michigan Tech (on home ice), some of the worst teams in the nation and that inconsistency falls on the head on the coaching staff...all in all Roque has not done enough in my opinion to warrant another year.
Aside from the coaching situation, the Lakers "picked" a good year to have some success in the playoffs....there is a large freshman class this year (9 players, 8 of whom were regularly in the lineup and the one wasn't, Shrkeli, still managed to dress in about 1/3 of the games) so the Lakers winning a playoff series and making a serious push to get to the Joe will hopefully set a positive tone for this class going forward, they are only familiar with (some) playoff success at this point and that experience is very valuable in my opinion (as opposed to say, this years senior class which was familiar with only playoff dissapointment until this season) and should raise expectations for them for the coming years...Replacing the scoring that leaves from this years team will be a challenge but if the returners can increase their contributions and the incoming freshman class can chip in some notable offensive the numbers, there is no reason to think the Lakers shouldn't improve next year in the standings.
For once I agree with you BJR, (regarding that last line) Roque certainly is great at off the ice politics, he says the right things to the right people which no doubt has helped his cause of holding on to the job in the past...which you have to give hime credit for, he's not a dumb guy when it comes to that sort of thing....
Regarding the playoffs, I'm proud of the Lakers, they did a fine job sweeping OSU in the first home series in a few years...going into the ND series most did not think they would challenge ND very much and that the Irish would get away with a relatively easy sweep, pushing them to three games including an overtime loss on Friday and then staving off elimination for one more night Saturday on a top 10 team's home ice was a good accomplishment for this team...In the end the stronger team did prevail in the series but considering the fact that ND has 4th liners who have 10 goals on the season and who are also NHL draft picks, that was to be expected...
Personally I don't think the playoff run should preserve Roque's job....the Lakers tied UMD (a top 10 team all year long and a likely NCAA tournament team), beat ND on their home ice (a top 10 team all year long and a likely NCAA tournament team), beat Miami in a shootout on their home ice (a top 10 team all year long and likely NCAA title contender) and beat Western Michigan twice, once in regulation and once in a shootout (a top 20 team all year long an a possible NCAA team)...so they were clearly capable of competing with and beating some of the NCAA best teams, however they also lost to Michigan State (on home ice), Bowling Green and Michigan Tech (on home ice), some of the worst teams in the nation and that inconsistency falls on the head on the coaching staff...all in all Roque has not done enough in my opinion to warrant another year.
Aside from the coaching situation, the Lakers "picked" a good year to have some success in the playoffs....there is a large freshman class this year (9 players, 8 of whom were regularly in the lineup and the one wasn't, Shrkeli, still managed to dress in about 1/3 of the games) so the Lakers winning a playoff series and making a serious push to get to the Joe will hopefully set a positive tone for this class going forward, they are only familiar with (some) playoff success at this point and that experience is very valuable in my opinion (as opposed to say, this years senior class which was familiar with only playoff dissapointment until this season) and should raise expectations for them for the coming years...Replacing the scoring that leaves from this years team will be a challenge but if the returners can increase their contributions and the incoming freshman class can chip in some notable offensive the numbers, there is no reason to think the Lakers shouldn't improve next year in the standings.
AnchorsAway
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Re: LSSU Laker Hockey
Below is a post I made prior to the start of the season regarding offensive projections, I put the actual goal totals for the season next to the projected goal totals, with those who met or exceeded their projections in bold
"I agree but I'm apt to think that if people can live up to their potential (a huge IF, i'll admit that.) then offensively the Lakers might be able to hold their own. If the returning players can improve their scoring output slightly and the freshman contribute the Lakers may be in decent offensive shape. If we can roughly these amount of goals from each player...
Schofield- 18 17
Acton-14 9
Nehring-12 8
Cassiani-12 7
Monardo-10 12
Campbell-10 4
Power-8 4
Lain-6 4
Mcparland-6 6
Radke-5 3
Barczuk-4 1
Jean-4 1
Stonehouse-3 1
Trotman-3 6
Cowie-2 4
Haines-2 4
Bruneteau-1 0
Sternberg-1 0
Hobbins-1 1
Perrault-1 1
...that adds up to 123 goals total, the Lakers have 34 games on their schedule (not counting next weeks exhibition) so that would be an average of about 3.6 goals per game..if production like this came to fruition and the Lakers had a goal total similar to these then barring a total collapse in the defense/goaltending department I would have to believe the Lakers would indeed finish up the regular season with a winning record...I don't believe these projections are asking too much from any player in particular although it is hard to guesstimate how the freshmen will be, but by the same token if this team is to have a good season it will need solid production from the new players...It will be interesting to revisit these projections as the season moves along to see how close they actually are to the actual numbers the Lakers put up...
Only 7 players of 21 met or exceeded their projections and most that did were either defenseman or forwards who were projected for low goal totals...the Lakers scored 93 goals in 39 games for an average of 2.3 goals per game, a substantial 30 goals less that my projected number...for anybody who followed the Lakers this season this comes as no surprise as often in big games the Lakers sticks went silent...thank goodness for Kevin Kapalka, were it not for him the Lakers record probably would have had quite a few more losses....
Below is a post I made prior to the start of the season regarding offensive projections, I put the actual goal totals for the season next to the projected goal totals, with those who met or exceeded their projections in bold
"I agree but I'm apt to think that if people can live up to their potential (a huge IF, i'll admit that.) then offensively the Lakers might be able to hold their own. If the returning players can improve their scoring output slightly and the freshman contribute the Lakers may be in decent offensive shape. If we can roughly these amount of goals from each player...
Schofield- 18 17
Acton-14 9
Nehring-12 8
Cassiani-12 7
Monardo-10 12
Campbell-10 4
Power-8 4
Lain-6 4
Mcparland-6 6
Radke-5 3
Barczuk-4 1
Jean-4 1
Stonehouse-3 1
Trotman-3 6
Cowie-2 4
Haines-2 4
Bruneteau-1 0
Sternberg-1 0
Hobbins-1 1
Perrault-1 1
...that adds up to 123 goals total, the Lakers have 34 games on their schedule (not counting next weeks exhibition) so that would be an average of about 3.6 goals per game..if production like this came to fruition and the Lakers had a goal total similar to these then barring a total collapse in the defense/goaltending department I would have to believe the Lakers would indeed finish up the regular season with a winning record...I don't believe these projections are asking too much from any player in particular although it is hard to guesstimate how the freshmen will be, but by the same token if this team is to have a good season it will need solid production from the new players...It will be interesting to revisit these projections as the season moves along to see how close they actually are to the actual numbers the Lakers put up...
Only 7 players of 21 met or exceeded their projections and most that did were either defenseman or forwards who were projected for low goal totals...the Lakers scored 93 goals in 39 games for an average of 2.3 goals per game, a substantial 30 goals less that my projected number...for anybody who followed the Lakers this season this comes as no surprise as often in big games the Lakers sticks went silent...thank goodness for Kevin Kapalka, were it not for him the Lakers record probably would have had quite a few more losses....
DopeyBaker
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Re: LSSU Laker Hockey
The Lakers scored 93 goals last year. What made you think they were going to jump up to 123 goals this year?
I'm sure the coaches would be in the best position to know if their guys needed to be on the ice for a Sunday pre-game skate or rest their legs after 2 hard-fought battles.
The Lakers scored 93 goals last year. What made you think they were going to jump up to 123 goals this year?
I'm sure the coaches would be in the best position to know if their guys needed to be on the ice for a Sunday pre-game skate or rest their legs after 2 hard-fought battles.
PerkyforPrez
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Re: LSSU Laker Hockey
Ok Dopey you have faith in the coach and i don't.
Ok Dopey you have faith in the coach and i don't.
Re: LSSU Laker Hockey
For the Lakers to improve their record (and place in the standings) next season, they are going to have to get a lot more production from most of the returning players. Monardo will be the only returning forward with over 15 points this season and the only double digit goal scorer. It will be hard to replace the point production we got from Schofield and Acton. We can always hope that one or more freshmen coming in will put up some decent numbers, but it's not something we can count on. Regardless of the numbers they put up in Juniors, the incoming freshmen always seem to find it a lot harder to score at this level.
For the Lakers to improve their record (and place in the standings) next season, they are going to have to get a lot more production from most of the returning players. Monardo will be the only returning forward with over 15 points this season and the only double digit goal scorer. It will be hard to replace the point production we got from Schofield and Acton. We can always hope that one or more freshmen coming in will put up some decent numbers, but it's not something we can count on. Regardless of the numbers they put up in Juniors, the incoming freshmen always seem to find it a lot harder to score at this level.
MeridianStreet
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Re: LSSU Laker Hockey
AnchorsAway,
Based on your analysis, Jeff Jackson would be in for some strong criticism - they lost to LSSU and BG on their home ice. The got shut out by WMU on their home ice playing for the league championship. ND, like LSSU has a lot of underclassmen. The CCHA saw many such games during the year. Even lowly MSU and BG won a few like that.
My point is - did JR have a bad enough year to warrant a coaching change? I don't think so. Could the year have been better? Yes. If a couple of those ties were wins, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I was open to the idea of a coaching change but I think enough was done. I agree that a decision should not be made on the basis of one or two games but I also was very impressed with the first two games at ND.
We have a very good young goaltender and I think some of the guys can step it up to increase our goal production. Even 10-15 more would make a sizeable difference.
Look at the bright side - the "Roque Haters" get another year. The rest of us can be lectured on how we are not revering Frank sufficiently
AnchorsAway,
Based on your analysis, Jeff Jackson would be in for some strong criticism - they lost to LSSU and BG on their home ice. The got shut out by WMU on their home ice playing for the league championship. ND, like LSSU has a lot of underclassmen. The CCHA saw many such games during the year. Even lowly MSU and BG won a few like that.
My point is - did JR have a bad enough year to warrant a coaching change? I don't think so. Could the year have been better? Yes. If a couple of those ties were wins, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I was open to the idea of a coaching change but I think enough was done. I agree that a decision should not be made on the basis of one or two games but I also was very impressed with the first two games at ND.
We have a very good young goaltender and I think some of the guys can step it up to increase our goal production. Even 10-15 more would make a sizeable difference.
Look at the bright side - the "Roque Haters" get another year. The rest of us can be lectured on how we are not revering Frank sufficiently
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AnchorsAway
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No he would not; his team finished 2nd in the league after an abysmal season last year, is in the CCHA final four and will make the NCAA tournament...a coach can get away with bad losses every now and then if his team plays to their potential 95% of the time, and Jeff Jackson's team does.
Jim Roque's team does not, they finished only marginally better than last year and their maddening inconsistency left them losing MANY games to teams that they had the capability of beating, they are now out of the playoffs and will only be watching the NCAA tournament.
You asked "Did JR have a bad enough year to warrant a coaching change?" that is a pointless question, it's not his first year here, look at the body of work, he did good without his own players, then he gets his own players and does worse...the run in the playoffs was nice but it's too little too late in my opinion.
"If a couple of those ties were wins we wouldn't be having this conversation" Well they weren't wins, largely due to poor coaching and we are having this conversation..and unless we improve in that department those ties won't likely turn into wins any time soon.
AnchorsAway,
Based on your analysis, Jeff Jackson would be in for some strong criticism - they lost to LSSU and BG on their home ice. The got shut out by WMU on their home ice playing for the league championship. ND, like LSSU has a lot of underclassmen. The CCHA saw many such games during the year. Even lowly MSU and BG won a few like that.
My point is - did JR have a bad enough year to warrant a coaching change? I don't think so. Could the year have been better? Yes. If a couple of those ties were wins, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I was open to the idea of a coaching change but I think enough was done. I agree that a decision should not be made on the basis of one or two games but I also was very impressed with the first two games at ND.
We have a very good young goaltender and I think some of the guys can step it up to increase our goal production. Even 10-15 more would make a sizeable difference.
Look at the bright side - the "Roque Haters" get another year. The rest of us can be lectured on how we are not revering Frank sufficiently
No he would not; his team finished 2nd in the league after an abysmal season last year, is in the CCHA final four and will make the NCAA tournament...a coach can get away with bad losses every now and then if his team plays to their potential 95% of the time, and Jeff Jackson's team does.
Jim Roque's team does not, they finished only marginally better than last year and their maddening inconsistency left them losing MANY games to teams that they had the capability of beating, they are now out of the playoffs and will only be watching the NCAA tournament.
You asked "Did JR have a bad enough year to warrant a coaching change?" that is a pointless question, it's not his first year here, look at the body of work, he did good without his own players, then he gets his own players and does worse...the run in the playoffs was nice but it's too little too late in my opinion.
"If a couple of those ties were wins we wouldn't be having this conversation" Well they weren't wins, largely due to poor coaching and we are having this conversation..and unless we improve in that department those ties won't likely turn into wins any time soon.
Re: LSSU Laker Hockey
We have the same conversations every year and we see the same results. If anyone thinks Roque should be the coach next season than expect the same conversations pre-season,during the season,and post season. Lets us hope Lake State doesn't do what MI Tech has done for the last 8 years,keep a coach who has done nothing with his teams.
We have the same conversations every year and we see the same results. If anyone thinks Roque should be the coach next season than expect the same conversations pre-season,during the season,and post season. Lets us hope Lake State doesn't do what MI Tech has done for the last 8 years,keep a coach who has done nothing with his teams.
AnchorsAway
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Players disappear or get booted for no reason? Who are you referring to? Certainly you are not referring to Dan Barczuk who I can say with absolute certainty got booted due to a combination of poor academics and an attitude problem...that is a piece of information that many followers of the team have known for weeks now, I'm surprised a hockey expert like yourself wasn't clued in to this piece of information...then again I suppose it's hard to hear anything when you have your head up your as$
Crawford doesn't mention that over the airwaves because it's in poor taste to embarass Barczuk like that
Players disappear or get booted for no reason? Who are you referring to? Certainly you are not referring to Dan Barczuk who I can say with absolute certainty got booted due to a combination of poor academics and an attitude problem...that is a piece of information that many followers of the team have known for weeks now, I'm surprised a hockey expert like yourself wasn't clued in to this piece of information...then again I suppose it's hard to hear anything when you have your head up your as$
Crawford doesn't mention that over the airwaves because it's in poor taste to embarass Barczuk like that
Truth Serum
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Re: LSSU Laker Hockey
Have you seen the recruits that Tech has coming in?
They are really going to be good next year and possibly be the surprise team. That team is going to win a lot of games that is for sure. That victory against the Lakers last season was actually a lot closer than the score indicated. If and if you don't know that, you don't know what your are talking about.
I wouldn't change a thing up at Houghton or at Lake Superior State. The Western situation is an exception to the rule.
Have you seen the recruits that Tech has coming in?
They are really going to be good next year and possibly be the surprise team. That team is going to win a lot of games that is for sure. That victory against the Lakers last season was actually a lot closer than the score indicated. If and if you don't know that, you don't know what your are talking about.
I wouldn't change a thing up at Houghton or at Lake Superior State. The Western situation is an exception to the rule.
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Hockeyintheblood
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Only one someone keeps mentioning that people up here are so predictable. Well I would like to say those people down there are even more predictable.
Only one someone keeps mentioning that people up here are so predictable. Well I would like to say those people down there are even more predictable.
Neil Diamond
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You don't have the your coach approved script coach Diamond? Give your boss a call, he will fill you in.
The Truth Is Out There....
You don't have the your coach approved script coach Diamond? Give your boss a call, he will fill you in.
The Truth Is Out There....
AnchorsAway
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Almost no one on here is advocating for Roque to return, I realize that it takes time for you to bounce back and forth between Truth Squad and Truth Serum (try to space your posts out by more than 6 minutes, you're starting to make it obvious...oh, and while you're at it, try using better grammar in your posts too) but most of us are actually agreeing with you.
Almost no one on here is advocating for Roque to return, I realize that it takes time for you to bounce back and forth between Truth Squad and Truth Serum (try to space your posts out by more than 6 minutes, you're starting to make it obvious...oh, and while you're at it, try using better grammar in your posts too) but most of us are actually agreeing with you.
Re: LSSU Laker Hockey
Truth be told, I was pleasantly surprised by the Lakers playoff run. How often have we won a home playoff series as of late and then take a very good program like Notre Dame to the brink?
We may not be impressed by their 8th place finish but you have to give the program credit for finishing on a strong note.
I would be shocked to see Roque lose his position....not that it would be unwarranted but all we fans can ask for is a competitive team and the Lakers provided that this year. They were one win away from making to the JLA tournament and few of the pundits thought that would be possible at the beginning of the year.
If Roque's contract is up this year and he is granted an extension, I can only hope that the school is wise enough to grant him a one or at the most two year term in order to protect itself. It is to early to determine if the ship is being steered correctly or if this year was nothing more than an anomaly.
Truth be told, I was pleasantly surprised by the Lakers playoff run. How often have we won a home playoff series as of late and then take a very good program like Notre Dame to the brink?
We may not be impressed by their 8th place finish but you have to give the program credit for finishing on a strong note.
I would be shocked to see Roque lose his position....not that it would be unwarranted but all we fans can ask for is a competitive team and the Lakers provided that this year. They were one win away from making to the JLA tournament and few of the pundits thought that would be possible at the beginning of the year.
If Roque's contract is up this year and he is granted an extension, I can only hope that the school is wise enough to grant him a one or at the most two year term in order to protect itself. It is to early to determine if the ship is being steered correctly or if this year was nothing more than an anomaly.
backbencher
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Re: LSSU Laker Hockey
I admit I do not hold the 30+ fan card which seems to be a required, and it I see that questioning JR's human skills seems to imply being frustrated (and necessarily player or parent) so my taste for posting has dropped. But I can't just let a coach fan tarnish the reputation of a kid, simply to back the boss.
If it was only for academics and/or attitude, several key players would have lefts over the years, including this year.
If Crawford knows all the stories, he probably also is aware that the decision was taken on an impulse (are you surprised ?).
To be fair, he would have to also address the stories of players who would have been cut if the same rules had applied to them, and it could be that Barczuk would is the least embarrassed.
Not true ! Don't get blind just because you can't stand Truth3.
I admit I do not hold the 30+ fan card which seems to be a required, and it I see that questioning JR's human skills seems to imply being frustrated (and necessarily player or parent) so my taste for posting has dropped. But I can't just let a coach fan tarnish the reputation of a kid, simply to back the boss.
If it was only for academics and/or attitude, several key players would have lefts over the years, including this year.
If Crawford knows all the stories, he probably also is aware that the decision was taken on an impulse (are you surprised ?).
To be fair, he would have to also address the stories of players who would have been cut if the same rules had applied to them, and it could be that Barczuk would is the least embarrassed.
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Truth Squad
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Re: LSSU Laker Hockey
49 wins in the last 153 games and 12 wins out of 39 games this season.
If it is broke, just keep making excuses for it. You people are smarter up there than I give you credit for.
Way to survive another year. I know it must be very hard. I look forward to the same old arguments on here next year and am looking forward to the teams and great coaches that are still alive in the playoffs.
Bill or Jim, who has honors? Four....
The Truth Is Out There....
TBA
49 wins in the last 153 games and 12 wins out of 39 games this season.
If it is broke, just keep making excuses for it. You people are smarter up there than I give you credit for.
Way to survive another year. I know it must be very hard. I look forward to the same old arguments on here next year and am looking forward to the teams and great coaches that are still alive in the playoffs.
Bill or Jim, who has honors? Four....
The Truth Is Out There....
TBA
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AnchorsAway
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Re: LSSU Laker Hockey
Yes it is true, I know the story of how it happend and the action that led to Roque swiping the nameplate ( a stupid penalty) was merely the straw that broke the camel's back...many of the other straws were, in fact, related to academics and attitude issues.
Yes it is true, I know the story of how it happend and the action that led to Roque swiping the nameplate ( a stupid penalty) was merely the straw that broke the camel's back...many of the other straws were, in fact, related to academics and attitude issues.
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