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Laker hockey and really college hockey is nearing a crossroads and I can see the Lakers going DIII or even dropping the program in 10 to 15 years.

It will be interesting to see what happens when the Big Ten Hockey Conference does indeed form in a few years.

Miami and Notre Dame will likely end up in the WCHA, leaving Bowling Green, Northern, Ferris, Western, the Lakers, and Alaska in the CCHA.

Jim stated on the coaches show last night that in two years (the 2012-2013 season) Michigan, Michigan State, and Ohio State are all playing in the Sault. He said this would probably be the last time that these teams play in the Sault.
 
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It will be interesting to see what happens when the Big Ten Hockey Conference does indeed form in a few years.

Miami and Notre Dame will likely end up in the WCHA, leaving Bowling Green, Northern, Ferris, Western, the Lakers, and Alaska in the CCHA.

Jim stated on the coaches show last night that in two years (the 2012-2013 season) Michigan, Michigan State, and Ohio State are all playing in the Sault. He said this would probably be the last time that these teams play in the Sault.

I disagree, as I posted in NMU's season forum about a week go I'm not sold on the idea that when the BTHC forms that Miami and ND will jump to the WCHA, it's unlikely that the CCHA will lose its automatic bid to the NCAA tourney, so I don't see why Miami and ND would jump to a conference that leaves them with substantially longer traveling times especially since their level of success would likely decrease due to the strength of the WCHA when they could stay in the CCHA and basically have a 50/50 chance of winning the conference crown in most years....
 
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The following is a copy of the e-mail that I sent to A.D. Dunbar 5 minutes ago, the only thing I cut out of it is my name at the bottom:



A.D. Dunbar,

I am currently a senior scheduled to graduate this spring and am an avid fan of the Laker hockey team. Over the course of my 4 years here I been to every home game the Lakers have had save for 5 or 6, and I have been watching hockey since the age of four, including 12 years as a player. I am writing to recommend that Laker coach Jim Roque be relieved of his duties as the head coach of the Laker hockey team.

Coach Roque has been head coach for 6 seasons now, which I believe most would agree is a very substantial body of work to judge his effectiveness as a coach on. During that period the Lakers have had a record of 85-108-39 for a winning percentange of .366, abysmal at best. 36 of those 85 wins (42%) came in Roque's first two seasons, when the roster he was coaching was almost completely filled with players that were recruited by the previous coach, Frank Anzalone. It is nothing but logical to expect a coach's record to improve once his roster contained players that he recruited to Lake State, because he would (or should) be bringing in players that fit his type of systems. His record as you know, did nothing but plummet since this time. The Lakers have finished between 3 and 10 games below .500 every season since that time, which is frankly unacceptable.

I think it's safe to say that we all live in the real world and can acknowledge the fact that in the present, LSSU is not the easiest place to recruit top notch players to. The schools that we are competing with are almost all blessed with bigger campuses, bigger "name appeal", finer facilities, and are located in more prototypical "college towns". Languishing near the bottom of the standings year in, year out, without making any changes even lessens the appeal to potential recuits and the respect level that recruits have for our school. I know a couple of D1 college hockey players (all that play in the CCHA currently) and over the years have had the opportunity to speak with not only them, but many of their teammates from the junior and college level and I can tell you that the level of respect that these type of players have for LSSU's program is very low. This type of reputation for LSSU that is held by many of the better players in North America is poisonous when it comes to recruiting efforts. For example, one of my friends played in the USHL for 2 seasons and over the course of that time EVERY other CCHA school got at least one recruit from my friends team, except for LSSU. When I asked my friend why, he directly stated "why would anyone want to go there? they're not any good and they have to be to even have a chance to get these type of guys, because they lack in so many other areas".

You have seen the other CCHA teams who have been bottom dwellers (Bowling Green, Western Michigan, Ohio State) recently make coaching changes after a few years of dismal success, and it is time that Lake State does the same. Is there a guarantee that a coaching change will change the amount of success that LSSU has? Absolutely not, OSU and BG had similar results this season (although keep in mind those coaches don't have many of their "own" players playing under them just yet) but there is just a good of a chance that it could (look at Western Michigan this season). The bottom line is that it is worth the chance to make an attempt to change the culture of LSSU's hockey program because we know what we are getting with the current coaching staff and it has produced poor records, dwindling attendance and fan enthusiasm, and a bad reputation among many of the junior hockey players in North America that we covet. We still have managed to get a top notch player here and there (Derek Smith, Rick Schofield, Zach Trotman, Domenic Monardo) but if this streak of pathetic records continues, it is likely that we will stop getting even the once every few years stars that we are currently managing to get to come here.

Granted, I realize that the Lakers just made a nice playoff run and stacked up well against Notre Dame, one of the top teams in the nation but the fact that we were so competitive against them is part of my point: inconsistency. The Lakers tied Minnesota-Duluth, beat Notre Dame in South Bend, and tied (with a shootout win, but that is inconsequential according to the NCAA selection committee, which sees it as a tie) Miami in Oxford. These are all teams that have spent time in the top 10 in polls the entire season and are legitimate NCAA title contenders. We also own a win and a tie against Western Michigan, a likely NCAA tournament team. Based on these results it's obvious that the Lakers even with a roster that is largely blue collar, lightly recruited players still had the capability to go toe to toe with some of the top teams in the nation. For this reason, the fact that we had 6 losses/ties (again counting the shootout results as inconsequential) against Bowling Green, Michigan State, and Michigan Tech, some of the worst squads in this region of the country is inexplicable (and 5 of the 6 the games I'm referencing happend on home ice, mind you). The only consistent this about the Lakers under Roque's tenure is the inconsistency (another example is last season when the Lakers were in a tie for 4th and ranked 18th in the country for a week in the second half of the season only to fall apart in the home stretch, finish in the bottom quarter of the standings, and bow out in the first round of the playoffs), inconsistency that has proven detrimental to the Laker's record.

Miami has been one of the top teams in the country over the last 5 years and have plenty of talent, including players who have been in the running for the Hobey Baker as part of some of the most skilled and deep rosters in the country. Yet the Redhawks still work their tail off, always have a man in the opposing goalies face to screen him, play flawless positional hockey, and are extremely disciplined and conditioned...these are things that in many games they quite frankly, don't necessarily need to do to get a win based on their high level of talent, but they do anyway. The Lakers, who pale in comparison to the talent of Miami, regularly fail in these areas and that leads to losses which contribute to the inconsistency. It would be one thing if the Lakers did all of these things, regularly played to their potential and were losing games based on the fact that they were out-talented by the other team but this is not the case, and that is the fault of the coaching staff.

I feel that now would be a great time to make a coaching change, the large freshman class is now the heart of the team going forward, and their only experience with the CCHA playoffs rewarded them a first round win and a close second round loss, so as a whole their morale about the future of Laker hockey should be higher than any class in awhile (being that every other class in the last handful of years save for the senior class last year who went to the Joe their freshman year, has had to deal with nothing but playoff failures). This is a great opportunity to build upon that by taking another step in changing the culture of LSSU hockey with bringing in a new face behind the bench...there are only two seniors leaving after next season so the majority of the Laker team will be here at least another two years (3 for many, including the goaltenders) and I feel that capitalizing on this youth by bringing in a new coach to (hopefully) build upon this year's run and improve the regular season record resulting in a consistent increase in success over the course of these underclassmen's remaining time here would be just the type of thing needed to raise the reputation and profile among potential recruits across the nation. From there we would likely to be able to bring in higher level recruits with more regularity, and could be off and running to really getting this program turned around for in the long run; as opposed to sticking with the same coach, who has proven incapable of building upon this type of success in the past (making it to the Joe in '07 and following it up with 4 poor seasons) and thus wasting an opportunity with to take advantage of a young and promising team.

I hope that you will seriously consider my recommendation and opinion that is held by many other Laker fans that I know, we all want to see the Lakers return to respectability and a coaching change is a step in that direction.

Very well put.
 
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Does anyone know any non-conference teams the Lakers will play next year? I know the Superior Cup is history and the Lakers won't play MTU/UMD. Also does anyone know which CCHA teams the Lakers will play four times in 11/12?
 
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I disagree, as I posted in NMU's season forum about a week go I'm not sold on the idea that when the BTHC forms that Miami and ND will jump to the WCHA, it's unlikely that the CCHA will lose its automatic bid to the NCAA tourney, so I don't see why Miami and ND would jump to a conference that leaves them with substantially longer traveling times especially since their level of success would likely decrease due to the strength of the WCHA when they could stay in the CCHA and basically have a 50/50 chance of winning the conference crown in most years....

The CCHA has enough financial issues already. Without Michigan and Michigan State the financial issues will become even greater. As much as we hate Michigan, the Joe would be empty if they do not make it. Minnesota and Wisconsin are not in the Final 5 this year, but the event is still sold out for the entire weekend.

As has been brought up before, CCHA teams owe the league $10,000 per home game in the playoffs.

Every WCHA team gets $80,000-$100,000 from the profits generated by the WCHA final five every year.

I think Notre Dame and Miami are looking for a stable league to join. There would be to much uncertainty staying in the CCHA. Jim did also mention on the coaches show last night that Miami had meetings the past week in Chicago. This leads me to believe that they are not content to stay in the CCHA.
 
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Does anyone know any non-conference teams the Lakers will play next year? I know the Superior Cup is history and the Lakers won't play MTU/UMD. Also does anyone know which CCHA teams the Lakers will play four times in 11/12?

Again this is from the coaches show last night.

Non conference next year:
-@ Vermont tournament - after Christmas
-Home to Bemidji State - November 4-5. This series is possible thanks to MSU agreeing to switch the series in the Sault to October 14-15 instead of the first weekend in November.
-@ Canisius but he did not say when. - This is in return for Canisuis playing in the Sault a two years ago.

The last non conference series is still not settled:
-North Dakota wanted to host LSSU next year, but there are no common weekends both teams have open.
-Clarkson still needs non conference games, but again there are no common weekends between the schools.
-They will play either at Union the first weekend of the year, or at St. Lawrence in early January probably the weekend after the Vermont Tournament.

Exhibition:
-USA under 18 team on February 3.
-They will have a Canadian team October 1 or October 8 depending on non conference.

Season:
4 games against
Northern
Ohio State
Michigan State (home October 14-15)
Miami

Home against:
Western
Notre Dame
Bowling Green

Away against:
Michigan
Ferris State
Alaska (February 10-11)

He did mention that they will play MTU in non conference during the 2012-2013 and 2013-2014 seasons.
 
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I think it's a given a BTHC will happen, sooner rather than later. And it will undoubtedly change the face of a lot of college hockey leagues. And while it will no doubt spell the end to the Taffy Abel Arena seeing teams such as MSU and UM, still we need to look at the bigger picture: the growth of college hockey.

Simple logistics tell us we cannot have our cake and eat it, too. In other words: the growth of college hockey overall will necessarily mean some changes to Laker hockey that some fans may not like. Growing college hockey does not involve seeing teams like the Spartans or Wolverines in Sault Ste. Marie; that's not a rip on those schools, nor is it a rip on Sault Ste. Marie...it is what it is.

Think about it: The Sault, the fans of Laker hockey, and Lake State overall have been very fortunate to have been able to host Big Ten programs, and programs with the prestige of a Notre Dame. In an understandable, though selfish, sense we all would love to see those types of teams remain on the regular schedule. But if you understand that the growth of college hockey overall will have positive effects on all programs, large and small, then you realize the change about to come is for the best.

The Lakers would still play the bigger schools, but very seldom would it be at home. The BTHC schools can't play each other over and over all year, they will need to play other schools.

And maybe Miami and ND are thinking of heading west (though when Wisconsin and Minnesota jump to the BTHC I think the reasons for those current CCHA teams moving west are questionable); then the Lakers would most likely team up with teams that make geographic sense: NMU, MTU, St. Cloud, UMD, Bemidji, Ferris, Western, etc. Is that all that bad? I know as a hockey fan I want to see quality hockey first and foremost; what's on the jersey's crest is of secondary importance.

As a Laker fan since the mid-80's, I have mixed feelings about the coming changes. But also as a Laker fan, I want to see the entire sport grow, and right now nothing will do that like the BTHC. Paul Kelly has even stated the emergence of Penn State as a hockey program is just the tip of the iceberg; they have their eyes on at least three teams in California in the not-too-distant future. This is nothing but a positive for the sport overall, and college hockey in particular.

The lumps we Lakers fans would have to endure, should all of this come to fruition, will be worth the overall gain.

Yes, hosting MSU, UM, and ND at the Taffy Abel is nice...but is it really reality-based at this point? Can you really have substantial growth in college hockey and still have major universities traveling to Sault Ste. Marie on a regular basis?

We've been very, very blessed as residents of the Sault and as Laker fans across the country. But let's not focus on what all the coming changes mean for us, specifically, and let's focus more on what these changes mean for the sport overall. I believe if we do so we will see the positives far outweigh the negatives.
 
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The following is a copy of the e-mail that I sent to A.D. Dunbar 5 minutes ago, the only thing I cut out of it is my name at the bottom:



A.D. Dunbar,

I am currently a senior scheduled to graduate this spring and am an avid fan of the Laker hockey team. Over the course of my 4 years here I been to every home game the Lakers have had save for 5 or 6, and I have been watching hockey since the age of four, including 12 years as a player. I am writing to recommend that Laker coach Jim Roque be relieved of his duties as the head coach of the Laker hockey team.

Coach Roque has been head coach for 6 seasons now, which I believe most would agree is a very substantial body of work to judge his effectiveness as a coach on. During that period the Lakers have had a record of 85-108-39 for a winning percentange of .366, abysmal at best. 36 of those 85 wins (42%) came in Roque's first two seasons, when the roster he was coaching was almost completely filled with players that were recruited by the previous coach, Frank Anzalone. It is nothing but logical to expect a coach's record to improve once his roster contained players that he recruited to Lake State, because he would (or should) be bringing in players that fit his type of systems. His record as you know, did nothing but plummet since this time. The Lakers have finished between 3 and 10 games below .500 every season since that time, which is frankly unacceptable.

I think it's safe to say that we all live in the real world and can acknowledge the fact that in the present, LSSU is not the easiest place to recruit top notch players to. The schools that we are competing with are almost all blessed with bigger campuses, bigger "name appeal", finer facilities, and are located in more prototypical "college towns". Languishing near the bottom of the standings year in, year out, without making any changes even lessens the appeal to potential recuits and the respect level that recruits have for our school. I know a couple of D1 college hockey players (all that play in the CCHA currently) and over the years have had the opportunity to speak with not only them, but many of their teammates from the junior and college level and I can tell you that the level of respect that these type of players have for LSSU's program is very low. This type of reputation for LSSU that is held by many of the better players in North America is poisonous when it comes to recruiting efforts. For example, one of my friends played in the USHL for 2 seasons and over the course of that time EVERY other CCHA school got at least one recruit from my friends team, except for LSSU. When I asked my friend why, he directly stated "why would anyone want to go there? they're not any good and they have to be to even have a chance to get these type of guys, because they lack in so many other areas".

You have seen the other CCHA teams who have been bottom dwellers (Bowling Green, Western Michigan, Ohio State) recently make coaching changes after a few years of dismal success, and it is time that Lake State does the same. Is there a guarantee that a coaching change will change the amount of success that LSSU has? Absolutely not, OSU and BG had similar results this season (although keep in mind those coaches don't have many of their "own" players playing under them just yet) but there is just a good of a chance that it could (look at Western Michigan this season). The bottom line is that it is worth the chance to make an attempt to change the culture of LSSU's hockey program because we know what we are getting with the current coaching staff and it has produced poor records, dwindling attendance and fan enthusiasm, and a bad reputation among many of the junior hockey players in North America that we covet. We still have managed to get a top notch player here and there (Derek Smith, Rick Schofield, Zach Trotman, Domenic Monardo) but if this streak of pathetic records continues, it is likely that we will stop getting even the once every few years stars that we are currently managing to get to come here.

Granted, I realize that the Lakers just made a nice playoff run and stacked up well against Notre Dame, one of the top teams in the nation but the fact that we were so competitive against them is part of my point: inconsistency. The Lakers tied Minnesota-Duluth, beat Notre Dame in South Bend, and tied (with a shootout win, but that is inconsequential according to the NCAA selection committee, which sees it as a tie) Miami in Oxford. These are all teams that have spent time in the top 10 in polls the entire season and are legitimate NCAA title contenders. We also own a win and a tie against Western Michigan, a likely NCAA tournament team. Based on these results it's obvious that the Lakers even with a roster that is largely blue collar, lightly recruited players still had the capability to go toe to toe with some of the top teams in the nation. For this reason, the fact that we had 6 losses/ties (again counting the shootout results as inconsequential) against Bowling Green, Michigan State, and Michigan Tech, some of the worst squads in this region of the country is inexplicable (and 5 of the 6 the games I'm referencing happend on home ice, mind you). The only consistent this about the Lakers under Roque's tenure is the inconsistency (another example is last season when the Lakers were in a tie for 4th and ranked 18th in the country for a week in the second half of the season only to fall apart in the home stretch, finish in the bottom quarter of the standings, and bow out in the first round of the playoffs), inconsistency that has proven detrimental to the Laker's record.

Miami has been one of the top teams in the country over the last 5 years and have plenty of talent, including players who have been in the running for the Hobey Baker as part of some of the most skilled and deep rosters in the country. Yet the Redhawks still work their tail off, always have a man in the opposing goalies face to screen him, play flawless positional hockey, and are extremely disciplined and conditioned...these are things that in many games they quite frankly, don't necessarily need to do to get a win based on their high level of talent, but they do anyway. The Lakers, who pale in comparison to the talent of Miami, regularly fail in these areas and that leads to losses which contribute to the inconsistency. It would be one thing if the Lakers did all of these things, regularly played to their potential and were losing games based on the fact that they were out-talented by the other team but this is not the case, and that is the fault of the coaching staff.

I feel that now would be a great time to make a coaching change, the large freshman class is now the heart of the team going forward, and their only experience with the CCHA playoffs rewarded them a first round win and a close second round loss, so as a whole their morale about the future of Laker hockey should be higher than any class in awhile (being that every other class in the last handful of years save for the senior class last year who went to the Joe their freshman year, has had to deal with nothing but playoff failures). This is a great opportunity to build upon that by taking another step in changing the culture of LSSU hockey with bringing in a new face behind the bench...there are only two seniors leaving after next season so the majority of the Laker team will be here at least another two years (3 for many, including the goaltenders) and I feel that capitalizing on this youth by bringing in a new coach to (hopefully) build upon this year's run and improve the regular season record resulting in a consistent increase in success over the course of these underclassmen's remaining time here would be just the type of thing needed to raise the reputation and profile among potential recruits across the nation. From there we would likely to be able to bring in higher level recruits with more regularity, and could be off and running to really getting this program turned around for in the long run; as opposed to sticking with the same coach, who has proven incapable of building upon this type of success in the past (making it to the Joe in '07 and following it up with 4 poor seasons) and thus wasting an opportunity with to take advantage of a young and promising team.

I hope that you will seriously consider my recommendation and opinion that is held by many other Laker fans that I know, we all want to see the Lakers return to respectability and a coaching change is a step in that direction.

Very well done !
 
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Again this is from the coaches show last night.

Non conference next year:
-@ Vermont tournament - after Christmas
-Home to Bemidji State - November 4-5. This series is possible thanks to MSU agreeing to switch the series in the Sault to October 14-15 instead of the first weekend in November.
-@ Canisius but he did not say when. - This is in return for Canisuis playing in the Sault a two years ago.

The last non conference series is still not settled:
-North Dakota wanted to host LSSU next year, but there are no common weekends both teams have open.
-Clarkson still needs non conference games, but again there are no common weekends between the schools.
-They will play either at Union the first weekend of the year, or at St. Lawrence in early January probably the weekend after the Vermont Tournament.

Exhibition:
-USA under 18 team on February 3.
-They will have a Canadian team October 1 or October 8 depending on non conference.

Season:
4 games against
Northern
Ohio State
Michigan State (home October 14-15)
Miami

Home against:
Western
Notre Dame
Bowling Green

Away against:
Michigan
Ferris State
Alaska (February 10-11)

He did mention that they will play MTU in non conference during the 2012-2013 and 2013-2014 seasons.

Wow. Michigan State at home two years in a row? I guess this 11 team schedule really makes scheduling diffferent. Sure hope 3,000+ come both nights.

The cluster schedule isn't overly challenging again With the exception of Miami, NMU, OSU, and MSU shouldn't be too bad. Also nice to see Bemidji come up here again. Very cool.

I wonder when we will learn of Roque's fate?
 
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I think it's a given a BTHC will happen, sooner rather than later. And it will undoubtedly change the face of a lot of college hockey leagues. And while it will no doubt spell the end to the Taffy Abel Arena seeing teams such as MSU and UM, still we need to look at the bigger picture: the growth of college hockey.



Think about it: The Sault, the fans of Laker hockey, and Lake State overall have been very fortunate to have been able to host Big Ten programs, and programs with the prestige of a Notre Dame. In an understandable, though selfish, sense we all would love to see those types of teams remain on the regular schedule. But if you understand that the growth of college hockey overall will have positive effects on all programs, large and small, then you realize the change about to come is for the best.

The Lakers would still play the bigger schools, but very seldom would it be at home. The BTHC schools can't play each other over and over all year, they will need to play other schools.

And maybe Miami and ND are thinking of heading west (though when Wisconsin and Minnesota jump to the BTHC I think the reasons for those current CCHA teams moving west are questionable); then the Lakers would most likely team up with teams that make geographic sense: NMU, MTU, St. Cloud, UMD, Bemidji, Ferris, Western, etc. Is that all that bad? I know as a hockey fan I want to see quality hockey first and foremost; what's on the jersey's crest is of secondary importance.

As a Laker fan since the mid-80's, I have mixed feelings about the coming changes. But also as a Laker fan, I want to see the entire sport grow, and right now nothing will do that like the BTHC. Paul Kelly has even stated the emergence of Penn State as a hockey program is just the tip of the iceberg; they have their eyes on at least three teams in California in the not-too-distant future. This is nothing but a positive for the sport overall, and college hockey in particular.

The lumps we Lakers fans would have to endure, should all of this come to fruition, will be worth the overall gain.

Yes, hosting MSU, UM, and ND at the Taffy Abel is nice...but is it really reality-based at this point? Can you really have substantial growth in college hockey and still have major universities traveling to Sault Ste. Marie on a regular basis?

We've been very, very blessed as residents of the Sault and as Laker fans across the country. But let's not focus on what all the coming changes mean for us, specifically, and let's focus more on what these changes mean for the sport overall. I believe if we do so we will see the positives far outweigh the negatives.

I accepted the fact, long ago, that the Laker Hockey program would never return to the national prominence gained in the late 80's and early 90's. I was, however, consoled by the realization that a very small school afforded me the opportunity to view great Division 1 caliber teams that often featured future NHL prospects. I thoroughly enjoyed being able to watch Lake State compete against the likes of a Michigan and Michigan State, knowing full well that the vast majority of their respective student bodies never heard of LSSU, much less knowing where it was.

That was, and currently is, the main reason as to why I am an avid Laker Hockey fan and much less of a Laker Basketball one. It is not that I like Basketball that much less than hockey but rather the lure of D-2 competition is far less than what D-1 hockey can provide.

The impending creation of the Big 10 conference will indeed have a monumental effect on college hockey but unlike you Neil, I am much more pessimistic as to what those effects will entail for both Laker Hockey and college hockey in general. There is little doubt in my mind that the remaining CCHA powers such as Notre Dame and Miami will not be content with the status qou and stand idly by while Michigan, M.S.U. and O.S.U. venture off to form a super conference.

Such schools will be left with little choice but to counter-balance the Big 10 with a conference of their own that will attempt to attract the best remaining programs from both the CCHA and WCHA. Lake State, unfortunately, will not be considered one of those sought out programs.

My fear is (and I am very confident that this fear will play out) that Lake State will be swept up in a massive wave that will wash it away into a minor conference that will be for all intent and purpose a D-2 tier with a D-1 moniker. No longer will we see the Michigans and Michigan States grace our ice, but the Miami's and Notre Dames will also be long gone.

What will we be left with? Will it even be worth following?
 
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I share some of the pessimism regarding the Big Ten Hockey Conference. College hockey is no longer the charming cult sport it once was. It has been ruined by the greed of the athletic directors who see the current college football landscape as the model for their hockey programs. They will attempt to schedule 3/4 of their preferably inferior opponents as home games, nearly assuring victories, to please a fan base so numb from relentless marketing and hucksterism that it has lost the ability to discern true sport from theatre. To their packed arenas they can vend endless concessions and t shirts, billing the games as "events" and teams as "products." Think I'm wrong? Check out the attendance figures for Michigan Stadium for the yearly out of conference christian vs. lions football games. Self satisfied university fat cats can witness the obliteration of a team whose university has 10% the athletic budget, stare open mouthed at the massive jumbotron as it shills for the latest 4G network, and waddle home to watch the cardboard cut out hip ESPN personalities try to out cool each other as they describe Auburn's 70-7 win over Louisiana-Monroe.

Lest you think me too cynical, there is a bright side for our Lakers. I would love to see the team in a conference with NMU, Bemidji, MTU and other similar universities. I don't need to see the latest NHL prospects, simply sports with integrity.
 
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I am going to e-mail that to the administration if Roque stays on.

Careful sm2pk. While I admire your consistency, starting on line "conversations" with oneself could indicate the beginning of a spiral into the private hell solely occupied by the two Truths.
 
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The following is a copy of the e-mail that I sent to A.D. Dunbar 5 minutes ago, the only thing I cut out of it is my name at the bottom:



A.D. Dunbar,

I am currently a senior scheduled to graduate this spring and am an avid fan of the Laker hockey team. Over the course of my 4 years here I been to every home game the Lakers have had save for 5 or 6, and I have been watching hockey since the age of four, including 12 years as a player. I am writing to recommend that Laker coach Jim Roque be relieved of his duties as the head coach of the Laker hockey team.

Coach Roque has been head coach for 6 seasons now, which I believe most would agree is a very substantial body of work to judge his effectiveness as a coach on. During that period the Lakers have had a record of 85-108-39 for a winning percentange of .366, abysmal at best. 36 of those 85 wins (42%) came in Roque's first two seasons, when the roster he was coaching was almost completely filled with players that were recruited by the previous coach, Frank Anzalone. It is nothing but logical to expect a coach's record to improve once his roster contained players that he recruited to Lake State, because he would (or should) be bringing in players that fit his type of systems. His record as you know, did nothing but plummet since this time. The Lakers have finished between 3 and 10 games below .500 every season since that time, which is frankly unacceptable.

I think it's safe to say that we all live in the real world and can acknowledge the fact that in the present, LSSU is not the easiest place to recruit top notch players to. The schools that we are competing with are almost all blessed with bigger campuses, bigger "name appeal", finer facilities, and are located in more prototypical "college towns". Languishing near the bottom of the standings year in, year out, without making any changes even lessens the appeal to potential recuits and the respect level that recruits have for our school. I know a couple of D1 college hockey players (all that play in the CCHA currently) and over the years have had the opportunity to speak with not only them, but many of their teammates from the junior and college level and I can tell you that the level of respect that these type of players have for LSSU's program is very low. This type of reputation for LSSU that is held by many of the better players in North America is poisonous when it comes to recruiting efforts. For example, one of my friends played in the USHL for 2 seasons and over the course of that time EVERY other CCHA school got at least one recruit from my friends team, except for LSSU. When I asked my friend why, he directly stated "why would anyone want to go there? they're not any good and they have to be to even have a chance to get these type of guys, because they lack in so many other areas".

You have seen the other CCHA teams who have been bottom dwellers (Bowling Green, Western Michigan, Ohio State) recently make coaching changes after a few years of dismal success, and it is time that Lake State does the same. Is there a guarantee that a coaching change will change the amount of success that LSSU has? Absolutely not, OSU and BG had similar results this season (although keep in mind those coaches don't have many of their "own" players playing under them just yet) but there is just a good of a chance that it could (look at Western Michigan this season). The bottom line is that it is worth the chance to make an attempt to change the culture of LSSU's hockey program because we know what we are getting with the current coaching staff and it has produced poor records, dwindling attendance and fan enthusiasm, and a bad reputation among many of the junior hockey players in North America that we covet. We still have managed to get a top notch player here and there (Derek Smith, Rick Schofield, Zach Trotman, Domenic Monardo) but if this streak of pathetic records continues, it is likely that we will stop getting even the once every few years stars that we are currently managing to get to come here.

Granted, I realize that the Lakers just made a nice playoff run and stacked up well against Notre Dame, one of the top teams in the nation but the fact that we were so competitive against them is part of my point: inconsistency. The Lakers tied Minnesota-Duluth, beat Notre Dame in South Bend, and tied (with a shootout win, but that is inconsequential according to the NCAA selection committee, which sees it as a tie) Miami in Oxford. These are all teams that have spent time in the top 10 in polls the entire season and are legitimate NCAA title contenders. We also own a win and a tie against Western Michigan, a likely NCAA tournament team. Based on these results it's obvious that the Lakers even with a roster that is largely blue collar, lightly recruited players still had the capability to go toe to toe with some of the top teams in the nation. For this reason, the fact that we had 6 losses/ties (again counting the shootout results as inconsequential) against Bowling Green, Michigan State, and Michigan Tech, some of the worst squads in this region of the country is inexplicable (and 5 of the 6 the games I'm referencing happend on home ice, mind you). The only consistent this about the Lakers under Roque's tenure is the inconsistency (another example is last season when the Lakers were in a tie for 4th and ranked 18th in the country for a week in the second half of the season only to fall apart in the home stretch, finish in the bottom quarter of the standings, and bow out in the first round of the playoffs), inconsistency that has proven detrimental to the Laker's record.

Miami has been one of the top teams in the country over the last 5 years and have plenty of talent, including players who have been in the running for the Hobey Baker as part of some of the most skilled and deep rosters in the country. Yet the Redhawks still work their tail off, always have a man in the opposing goalies face to screen him, play flawless positional hockey, and are extremely disciplined and conditioned...these are things that in many games they quite frankly, don't necessarily need to do to get a win based on their high level of talent, but they do anyway. The Lakers, who pale in comparison to the talent of Miami, regularly fail in these areas and that leads to losses which contribute to the inconsistency. It would be one thing if the Lakers did all of these things, regularly played to their potential and were losing games based on the fact that they were out-talented by the other team but this is not the case, and that is the fault of the coaching staff.

I feel that now would be a great time to make a coaching change, the large freshman class is now the heart of the team going forward, and their only experience with the CCHA playoffs rewarded them a first round win and a close second round loss, so as a whole their morale about the future of Laker hockey should be higher than any class in awhile (being that every other class in the last handful of years save for the senior class last year who went to the Joe their freshman year, has had to deal with nothing but playoff failures). This is a great opportunity to build upon that by taking another step in changing the culture of LSSU hockey with bringing in a new face behind the bench...there are only two seniors leaving after next season so the majority of the Laker team will be here at least another two years (3 for many, including the goaltenders) and I feel that capitalizing on this youth by bringing in a new coach to (hopefully) build upon this year's run and improve the regular season record resulting in a consistent increase in success over the course of these underclassmen's remaining time here would be just the type of thing needed to raise the reputation and profile among potential recruits across the nation. From there we would likely to be able to bring in higher level recruits with more regularity, and could be off and running to really getting this program turned around for in the long run; as opposed to sticking with the same coach, who has proven incapable of building upon this type of success in the past (making it to the Joe in '07 and following it up with 4 poor seasons) and thus wasting an opportunity with to take advantage of a young and promising team.

I hope that you will seriously consider my recommendation and opinion that is held by many other Laker fans that I know, we all want to see the Lakers return to respectability and a coaching change is a step in that direction.

The Truth Is Out There...
TBA
 
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Re: LSSU Laker Hockey

The following is a copy of the e-mail that I sent to A.D. Dunbar 5 minutes ago, the only thing I cut out of it is my name at the bottom:



A.D. Dunbar,

I am currently a senior scheduled to graduate this spring and am an avid fan of the Laker hockey team. Over the course of my 4 years here I been to every home game the Lakers have had save for 5 or 6, and I have been watching hockey since the age of four, including 12 years as a player. I am writing to recommend that Laker coach Jim Roque be relieved of his duties as the head coach of the Laker hockey team.

Coach Roque has been head coach for 6 seasons now, which I believe most would agree is a very substantial body of work to judge his effectiveness as a coach on. During that period the Lakers have had a record of 85-108-39 for a winning percentange of .366, abysmal at best. 36 of those 85 wins (42%) came in Roque's first two seasons, when the roster he was coaching was almost completely filled with players that were recruited by the previous coach, Frank Anzalone. It is nothing but logical to expect a coach's record to improve once his roster contained players that he recruited to Lake State, because he would (or should) be bringing in players that fit his type of systems. His record as you know, did nothing but plummet since this time. The Lakers have finished between 3 and 10 games below .500 every season since that time, which is frankly unacceptable.

I think it's safe to say that we all live in the real world and can acknowledge the fact that in the present, LSSU is not the easiest place to recruit top notch players to. The schools that we are competing with are almost all blessed with bigger campuses, bigger "name appeal", finer facilities, and are located in more prototypical "college towns". Languishing near the bottom of the standings year in, year out, without making any changes even lessens the appeal to potential recuits and the respect level that recruits have for our school. I know a couple of D1 college hockey players (all that play in the CCHA currently) and over the years have had the opportunity to speak with not only them, but many of their teammates from the junior and college level and I can tell you that the level of respect that these type of players have for LSSU's program is very low. This type of reputation for LSSU that is held by many of the better players in North America is poisonous when it comes to recruiting efforts. For example, one of my friends played in the USHL for 2 seasons and over the course of that time EVERY other CCHA school got at least one recruit from my friends team, except for LSSU. When I asked my friend why, he directly stated "why would anyone want to go there? they're not any good and they have to be to even have a chance to get these type of guys, because they lack in so many other areas".

You have seen the other CCHA teams who have been bottom dwellers (Bowling Green, Western Michigan, Ohio State) recently make coaching changes after a few years of dismal success, and it is time that Lake State does the same. Is there a guarantee that a coaching change will change the amount of success that LSSU has? Absolutely not, OSU and BG had similar results this season (although keep in mind those coaches don't have many of their "own" players playing under them just yet) but there is just a good of a chance that it could (look at Western Michigan this season). The bottom line is that it is worth the chance to make an attempt to change the culture of LSSU's hockey program because we know what we are getting with the current coaching staff and it has produced poor records, dwindling attendance and fan enthusiasm, and a bad reputation among many of the junior hockey players in North America that we covet. We still have managed to get a top notch player here and there (Derek Smith, Rick Schofield, Zach Trotman, Domenic Monardo) but if this streak of pathetic records continues, it is likely that we will stop getting even the once every few years stars that we are currently managing to get to come here.

Granted, I realize that the Lakers just made a nice playoff run and stacked up well against Notre Dame, one of the top teams in the nation but the fact that we were so competitive against them is part of my point: inconsistency. The Lakers tied Minnesota-Duluth, beat Notre Dame in South Bend, and tied (with a shootout win, but that is inconsequential according to the NCAA selection committee, which sees it as a tie) Miami in Oxford. These are all teams that have spent time in the top 10 in polls the entire season and are legitimate NCAA title contenders. We also own a win and a tie against Western Michigan, a likely NCAA tournament team. Based on these results it's obvious that the Lakers even with a roster that is largely blue collar, lightly recruited players still had the capability to go toe to toe with some of the top teams in the nation. For this reason, the fact that we had 6 losses/ties (again counting the shootout results as inconsequential) against Bowling Green, Michigan State, and Michigan Tech, some of the worst squads in this region of the country is inexplicable (and 5 of the 6 the games I'm referencing happend on home ice, mind you). The only consistent this about the Lakers under Roque's tenure is the inconsistency (another example is last season when the Lakers were in a tie for 4th and ranked 18th in the country for a week in the second half of the season only to fall apart in the home stretch, finish in the bottom quarter of the standings, and bow out in the first round of the playoffs), inconsistency that has proven detrimental to the Laker's record.

Miami has been one of the top teams in the country over the last 5 years and have plenty of talent, including players who have been in the running for the Hobey Baker as part of some of the most skilled and deep rosters in the country. Yet the Redhawks still work their tail off, always have a man in the opposing goalies face to screen him, play flawless positional hockey, and are extremely disciplined and conditioned...these are things that in many games they quite frankly, don't necessarily need to do to get a win based on their high level of talent, but they do anyway. The Lakers, who pale in comparison to the talent of Miami, regularly fail in these areas and that leads to losses which contribute to the inconsistency. It would be one thing if the Lakers did all of these things, regularly played to their potential and were losing games based on the fact that they were out-talented by the other team but this is not the case, and that is the fault of the coaching staff.

I feel that now would be a great time to make a coaching change, the large freshman class is now the heart of the team going forward, and their only experience with the CCHA playoffs rewarded them a first round win and a close second round loss, so as a whole their morale about the future of Laker hockey should be higher than any class in awhile (being that every other class in the last handful of years save for the senior class last year who went to the Joe their freshman year, has had to deal with nothing but playoff failures). This is a great opportunity to build upon that by taking another step in changing the culture of LSSU hockey with bringing in a new face behind the bench...there are only two seniors leaving after next season so the majority of the Laker team will be here at least another two years (3 for many, including the goaltenders) and I feel that capitalizing on this youth by bringing in a new coach to (hopefully) build upon this year's run and improve the regular season record resulting in a consistent increase in success over the course of these underclassmen's remaining time here would be just the type of thing needed to raise the reputation and profile among potential recruits across the nation. From there we would likely to be able to bring in higher level recruits with more regularity, and could be off and running to really getting this program turned around for in the long run; as opposed to sticking with the same coach, who has proven incapable of building upon this type of success in the past (making it to the Joe in '07 and following it up with 4 poor seasons) and thus wasting an opportunity with to take advantage of a young and promising team.

I hope that you will seriously consider my recommendation and opinion that is held by many other Laker fans that I know, we all want to see the Lakers return to respectability and a coaching change is a step in that direction.

I like it a lot. Be careful up there and this administration and its supporters have some very powerful friends up there, especially being a student.

The Truth Is Out There...
TBA
 
Re: LSSU Laker Hockey

I share some of the pessimism regarding the Big Ten Hockey Conference. College hockey is no longer the charming cult sport it once was. It has been ruined by the greed of the athletic directors who see the current college football landscape as the model for their hockey programs. They will attempt to schedule 3/4 of their preferably inferior opponents as home games, nearly assuring victories, to please a fan base so numb from relentless marketing and hucksterism that it has lost the ability to discern true sport from theatre. To their packed arenas they can vend endless concessions and t shirts, billing the games as "events" and teams as "products." Think I'm wrong? Check out the attendance figures for Michigan Stadium for the yearly out of conference christian vs. lions football games. Self satisfied university fat cats can witness the obliteration of a team whose university has 10% the athletic budget, stare open mouthed at the massive jumbotron as it shills for the latest 4G network, and waddle home to watch the cardboard cut out hip ESPN personalities try to out cool each other as they describe Auburn's 70-7 win over Louisiana-Monroe.

Lest you think me too cynical, there is a bright side for our Lakers. I would love to see the team in a conference with NMU, Bemidji, MTU and other similar universities. I don't need to see the latest NHL prospects, simply sports with integrity.

I don't know DB, say the BTHC forms, Miami and ND do switch to a modified "top tier" conference involving say Notre Dame, Miami, North Dakota, Minnesota Duluth, Denver, Colorado College, Nebraska-Omaha, and St. Cloud State...Minnesota State, MTU, UAA, and Bemidji may very well be interested in switching to a less stacked conference where they aren't necessarily destined to be bottom dwellers, say they come join forces with the remnants of the CCHA that would leave you with a conference consisting of LSSU, NMU, MTU, Minnesota State, UAA, UAF, Ferris, WMU, Bowling Green, and Bemidji....it would certainly be a second tier conference but would most likely still hold on to an automatic NCAA bid, and definitely still provide a competitive and quality level of play.

Now lets also inject the likely scenario that Penn State starting D1 hockey and the formation of the BTHC spurs on other high profile American universities to start D1 teams, and over the next 10-15 years 10-20 big name schools also want a piece of the action and start up...in this scenario it's highly possible that college hockey may raise it's profile in the sporting conscious of America, more TV time, more advertising, etc...this would certainly make the type of high profile prospects that are now passing up the NCAA route for the OHL, WHL, QJMHL come to one of the bigger, higher profile, and successful universities because they would now likely be recieving just as much exposure in the way of pro scouts...with the influx of these players some of the guys who are now on the lower end of the depth chart at these type of universities (for an example, Notre Dame has an NHL draft pick who scored 10 goals this season on its fourth line, these type of guys) would be pushed out of a roster spot at these type of schools and would then be apt to come to schools like the ones in the "new CCHA"....So even though the likelihood of the teams in the "new CCHA schools" winning a national title wouldn't be great, it is still very likely that they could be competitive and make some noise in the NCAA tourney in a given year, and the league would still be left with a competitive league that also has some future NHL talent on its teams...

You used NCAA football as an example but keep in mind that even though leagues like the Mountain West, WAC, and even the MAC don't produce national champions, they do provide teams every now and then (TCU, BYU, Boise State) that make a run at the national championship and have no problem getting players that not only make it to the NFL, but become stars...so even if this major facelift to the NCAA hockey landscape does change, all hope is not lost for fans in Sault Ste. Marie playing in a good league and seeing future pro talent on a regular basis...
 
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