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LSSU Hockey 2012-2013
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Flashy Man
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Re: LSSU Hockey 2012-2013
I pretty sure Truth Squad is a member of the Westboro Baptist Church...
I pretty sure Truth Squad is a member of the Westboro Baptist Church...
Re: LSSU Hockey 2012-2013
That is very unlikely. The average salary, from what I've been told, for a USHL coach/GM (akin to college head coach) is 90-100k. A NAHL coach/GM is around the 50K mark......OHL/CHL coaches are paid 100k+ but 160-200K if they hold the dual role of coach/GM.
There is no question that 81k for a D-1 coach is exceptionally low....the lowest in any of the four major conferences and perhaps in all of D-1 hockey. This obviously plays a role in the decision making process as to whether or not extend Roque's contract. The admin is well aware that the best Junior coaches in the USHL make more than what LSSU can offer and many D-1 assistants make a comparable salary (and the better ones far more), there by greatly limiting the available pool of credible applicants.
A limited budget has far more implications than people realize.
That is very unlikely. The average salary, from what I've been told, for a USHL coach/GM (akin to college head coach) is 90-100k. A NAHL coach/GM is around the 50K mark......OHL/CHL coaches are paid 100k+ but 160-200K if they hold the dual role of coach/GM.
There is no question that 81k for a D-1 coach is exceptionally low....the lowest in any of the four major conferences and perhaps in all of D-1 hockey. This obviously plays a role in the decision making process as to whether or not extend Roque's contract. The admin is well aware that the best Junior coaches in the USHL make more than what LSSU can offer and many D-1 assistants make a comparable salary (and the better ones far more), there by greatly limiting the available pool of credible applicants.
A limited budget has far more implications than people realize.
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Re: LSSU Hockey 2012-2013
Looks like a former Laker is in a bit of trouble.
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2012/mar/24/south-carolina-stingrays-hockey-player-auto-theft/
Looks like a former Laker is in a bit of trouble.
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2012/mar/24/south-carolina-stingrays-hockey-player-auto-theft/
DopeyBaker
Registered User
Re: LSSU Hockey 2012-2013
Minnesota State University media talk about how Ferris' run will help the credibility of the new WCHA.
http://mankatofreepress.com/sports/...ture-WCHA-team-Ferris-State-in-the-title-hunt
Minnesota State University media talk about how Ferris' run will help the credibility of the new WCHA.
http://mankatofreepress.com/sports/...ture-WCHA-team-Ferris-State-in-the-title-hunt
AnchorsAway
Registered User
Re: LSSU Hockey 2012-2013
I have never been a huge Roque fan, in fact I wrote a letter after last season to AD Dunbar asking for his dismissal...However I am certainly backing off of sentiments to kick him out the door in light of the embarrassingly low amount of money he makes....Has Roque done an adequate job thus far with the Lakers? absolutely not however in the last 2-3 years he does seem to be making some noticeable strides in recruiting, the talent on the Laker rosters the past couple of seasons I feel is undoubtedly higher in quality than most of any of Roque's previous teams....Obviously there is ample room to Improve, as Bill and others have mentioned, the Lakers havent had a top level talented bona fide stud at center in quite some time....truthfully at the stage of the game I don't see us getting one....we would have a better bet hoping to get two above average scoring centers who can be depended upon for 15 goals a year a la Rick Schofield in the same class to have a line 1 and line 1A situation.
As far as the coaching situation goes there's no way we would find a coach worth hiring for that 80k salary....The lakers usually play about 20 home games per year, with some dates drawing much better than others. I realize a bulk of the attendance at any home game is non ticket buying students, however I believe it is safe to say that the Lakers average at least 1,000 tickets sold per home game, or 20,000 single tickets per season...if the school increased the price of every ticket a measly 2 dollars that would create $40,000 dollars of extra revenue, if all of that went to the coaches salary that would put it in the $120k range, which likely would draw quite a few more serious and qualified candidates next time there was a coaching search.....it doesn't solve the problem of the coach having to do multiple jobs that other big time coaches don't have to do but at least they will be paid more competitively to do the work....and an extra 2 dollars per ticket won't send anyone to the poor house.
Speaking of the difference between a coaches experience at a big time program versus a small time program, a friend and I were recently speaking about coaches like Comley and JJ who got their start at small schools and led them to great success only to eventually leave for the big money programs....I know both have been successful at the big programs they took over but I have to wonder if knowing what they know now if they would have made the same decisions....Comley retired from a situation at State in which it was obvious both sides were ready to put behind them, only a handful of years after a national title.....Jackson has taken ND to new heights but seems to be having issues and losing fan support over dealing with high profile player issues which are undoubtedly fueled in part by being at a nationally followed school and dealing with top tier,some would say "prima donna" talent......At NMU for Comley and LSSU for JJ, both may have had to do a little more leg work and odd jobs here and there, and weren't blessed with Humongous facilities and budgets to wave in front of blue chip recruits but they were given the luxury of not having to answer to big time boosters, the program was basically theirs alone to completely mold, they also got to do this in smaller market where's there wasn't such a high profile media presence make a huge story out of player problems, etc and they still had the luxury of playing in "hockey towns".......Let me be clear in saying that I am not suggesting that these men would come right out and say that they ever made mistakes in leaving or anything like that but I do believe In their heart of hearts had both men known how green the grass turned out to be on the big time side of the fence they may have taken a little bit longer to re- think their moves to jump ship, even with the many disadvantages NMU and LSSU have against them
I have never been a huge Roque fan, in fact I wrote a letter after last season to AD Dunbar asking for his dismissal...However I am certainly backing off of sentiments to kick him out the door in light of the embarrassingly low amount of money he makes....Has Roque done an adequate job thus far with the Lakers? absolutely not however in the last 2-3 years he does seem to be making some noticeable strides in recruiting, the talent on the Laker rosters the past couple of seasons I feel is undoubtedly higher in quality than most of any of Roque's previous teams....Obviously there is ample room to Improve, as Bill and others have mentioned, the Lakers havent had a top level talented bona fide stud at center in quite some time....truthfully at the stage of the game I don't see us getting one....we would have a better bet hoping to get two above average scoring centers who can be depended upon for 15 goals a year a la Rick Schofield in the same class to have a line 1 and line 1A situation.
As far as the coaching situation goes there's no way we would find a coach worth hiring for that 80k salary....The lakers usually play about 20 home games per year, with some dates drawing much better than others. I realize a bulk of the attendance at any home game is non ticket buying students, however I believe it is safe to say that the Lakers average at least 1,000 tickets sold per home game, or 20,000 single tickets per season...if the school increased the price of every ticket a measly 2 dollars that would create $40,000 dollars of extra revenue, if all of that went to the coaches salary that would put it in the $120k range, which likely would draw quite a few more serious and qualified candidates next time there was a coaching search.....it doesn't solve the problem of the coach having to do multiple jobs that other big time coaches don't have to do but at least they will be paid more competitively to do the work....and an extra 2 dollars per ticket won't send anyone to the poor house.
Speaking of the difference between a coaches experience at a big time program versus a small time program, a friend and I were recently speaking about coaches like Comley and JJ who got their start at small schools and led them to great success only to eventually leave for the big money programs....I know both have been successful at the big programs they took over but I have to wonder if knowing what they know now if they would have made the same decisions....Comley retired from a situation at State in which it was obvious both sides were ready to put behind them, only a handful of years after a national title.....Jackson has taken ND to new heights but seems to be having issues and losing fan support over dealing with high profile player issues which are undoubtedly fueled in part by being at a nationally followed school and dealing with top tier,some would say "prima donna" talent......At NMU for Comley and LSSU for JJ, both may have had to do a little more leg work and odd jobs here and there, and weren't blessed with Humongous facilities and budgets to wave in front of blue chip recruits but they were given the luxury of not having to answer to big time boosters, the program was basically theirs alone to completely mold, they also got to do this in smaller market where's there wasn't such a high profile media presence make a huge story out of player problems, etc and they still had the luxury of playing in "hockey towns".......Let me be clear in saying that I am not suggesting that these men would come right out and say that they ever made mistakes in leaving or anything like that but I do believe In their heart of hearts had both men known how green the grass turned out to be on the big time side of the fence they may have taken a little bit longer to re- think their moves to jump ship, even with the many disadvantages NMU and LSSU have against them
DopeyBaker
Registered User
Re: LSSU Hockey 2012-2013
I have had season tickets for about 20 years. If the ticket prices increased by $2, I would cancel mine.
Also, I doubt Jackson or Comley have any regrets about moving up to a bigger and better program. That's what most coaches strive for...to win at the highest level. Of course, we can't know for sure what would have happened to either man if they stayed at their smaller school. Perhaps things would have turned sour and they would have regretted not moving on when they had the chance.
I have had season tickets for about 20 years. If the ticket prices increased by $2, I would cancel mine.
Also, I doubt Jackson or Comley have any regrets about moving up to a bigger and better program. That's what most coaches strive for...to win at the highest level. Of course, we can't know for sure what would have happened to either man if they stayed at their smaller school. Perhaps things would have turned sour and they would have regretted not moving on when they had the chance.
Re: LSSU Hockey 2012-2013
Don't forget that along with a competitive head coach salary, you're going to need competitive full time assistant salaries as well. Take that $40K you're asking for and double it. Now you're in the ball park. A boost in recruiting budget would also help to attract a higher level coach.
Don't forget that along with a competitive head coach salary, you're going to need competitive full time assistant salaries as well. Take that $40K you're asking for and double it. Now you're in the ball park. A boost in recruiting budget would also help to attract a higher level coach.
Re: LSSU Hockey 2012-2013
Jackson didn't move to a better program -- he took over the brand-new National develpoment program (took Silver in the world juniors), then he took over Guelph (made it to the final round of the Memorial Cup as the host team), and was an assistant with the Islanders. After the strike, he was hired by Notre Dame. I distinctly recall his rationale for leaving LSSU was the NCAA, NOT LSSU's leadership or the money. He was frustrated with the NCAA rules (I recall an interview after he stepped down, saying the NCAA rules were absurd -- citing an example about one day, leaving the rink, there was a nasty blizzard. Three of his players had stayed late for an extra work out, and they didn't have a car. Jackson was unable under NCAA rules to give these kids a ride down to their townhouse. And I distinctly recall him commenting on the absurd nature of the NCAA's draconian rules, and how the NCAA treats hockey poorly, and how the NCAA doesn't seek input from hockey coaches in making its rules, and how the NCAA was dominated, in his words, by "Minnesota guys who are at war with Canada." Also the now famous Jackson line about the "narrow minded Minnesota hockey mafia." I do not recall any arguments, disagreements, or complaints about $$$.
And a $2 increase in ticket prices would result in an extra $2, per seat, for 16 games -- and whopping 32 bucks. Absurdly cheap. I would pay it without a complaint.
As for LSSU's funding -- there are lots of excellent fund raising efforts underway right now. I hear people talking about the program and the money as if the school and the athletics department are doing nothing. AS if there are no plans to raise more money and no recognition as ot the need for more money. This is false. All of you pick up the Laker Log and you will see a steady stream of well-planned fund raising opportunities in which to partake.
Feel free to pursue and donate appropriately: http://www.lssu.edu/foundation/
I know the internet is a lovely place to complain without consequences. I am a prime offender, waffling between "cool reason" and "snarky trolling." I get that. But the hand wringing and fear-mongering about the program gets to be too much. Every program needs money. LSSU has lots of opportunities for all of us in the Laker family to step up to the plate.
This leads to one of my most frustrating thoughts regarding my beloved LSSU: too many alumni get swallowed up in the maize and green down state, and simply forget to continue to support their school -- or won't support their school. I have to tell you: the Eastern UP is not a wealthy community. And while the local fans and alumni are giving far more than you probably realize, this program won't work without the entire alumni family pulling together.
Here, I'll post the web site again: http://www.lssu.edu/foundation/
Easy to find. Easy to read. Easy to give. Easy to support your school. Here is a simple dare: before anyone complains about Roque's salary and the hockey program's funding -- make sure you donate $25.00 (once again, easily done at http://www.lssu.edu/foundation/
Donate a quick $25.00, then proceed to complain about the budget.
Donate $25.00 and then proceed to complain about the attendance.
Donate $25.00 and then proceed to complain about recruiting travel issues.
And HEY -- guess what? If you give $25.00 between now and December, 2013 -- that gift will be matched dollar for dollar by an anaymous donor under the LSSU Hockey Challenge. https://www.lssu.edu/foundation/fund/challenge.php
So you can give $25.00, complain, and know that you actually just gave $50.00.
I am not suggesting you pay for your right to complain. I am merely saying that if you put your money where your heart and mouth are, the school would really benefit. And maybe -- JUST MAYBE -- if enough of the alumni family pulls together in these small ways, MAYBE we won't have to complain about the budget.
Just sayin . . .
Jackson didn't move to a better program -- he took over the brand-new National develpoment program (took Silver in the world juniors), then he took over Guelph (made it to the final round of the Memorial Cup as the host team), and was an assistant with the Islanders. After the strike, he was hired by Notre Dame. I distinctly recall his rationale for leaving LSSU was the NCAA, NOT LSSU's leadership or the money. He was frustrated with the NCAA rules (I recall an interview after he stepped down, saying the NCAA rules were absurd -- citing an example about one day, leaving the rink, there was a nasty blizzard. Three of his players had stayed late for an extra work out, and they didn't have a car. Jackson was unable under NCAA rules to give these kids a ride down to their townhouse. And I distinctly recall him commenting on the absurd nature of the NCAA's draconian rules, and how the NCAA treats hockey poorly, and how the NCAA doesn't seek input from hockey coaches in making its rules, and how the NCAA was dominated, in his words, by "Minnesota guys who are at war with Canada." Also the now famous Jackson line about the "narrow minded Minnesota hockey mafia." I do not recall any arguments, disagreements, or complaints about $$$.
And a $2 increase in ticket prices would result in an extra $2, per seat, for 16 games -- and whopping 32 bucks. Absurdly cheap. I would pay it without a complaint.
As for LSSU's funding -- there are lots of excellent fund raising efforts underway right now. I hear people talking about the program and the money as if the school and the athletics department are doing nothing. AS if there are no plans to raise more money and no recognition as ot the need for more money. This is false. All of you pick up the Laker Log and you will see a steady stream of well-planned fund raising opportunities in which to partake.
Feel free to pursue and donate appropriately: http://www.lssu.edu/foundation/
I know the internet is a lovely place to complain without consequences. I am a prime offender, waffling between "cool reason" and "snarky trolling." I get that. But the hand wringing and fear-mongering about the program gets to be too much. Every program needs money. LSSU has lots of opportunities for all of us in the Laker family to step up to the plate.
This leads to one of my most frustrating thoughts regarding my beloved LSSU: too many alumni get swallowed up in the maize and green down state, and simply forget to continue to support their school -- or won't support their school. I have to tell you: the Eastern UP is not a wealthy community. And while the local fans and alumni are giving far more than you probably realize, this program won't work without the entire alumni family pulling together.
Here, I'll post the web site again: http://www.lssu.edu/foundation/
Easy to find. Easy to read. Easy to give. Easy to support your school. Here is a simple dare: before anyone complains about Roque's salary and the hockey program's funding -- make sure you donate $25.00 (once again, easily done at http://www.lssu.edu/foundation/
Donate a quick $25.00, then proceed to complain about the budget.
Donate $25.00 and then proceed to complain about the attendance.
Donate $25.00 and then proceed to complain about recruiting travel issues.
And HEY -- guess what? If you give $25.00 between now and December, 2013 -- that gift will be matched dollar for dollar by an anaymous donor under the LSSU Hockey Challenge. https://www.lssu.edu/foundation/fund/challenge.php
So you can give $25.00, complain, and know that you actually just gave $50.00.
I am not suggesting you pay for your right to complain. I am merely saying that if you put your money where your heart and mouth are, the school would really benefit. And maybe -- JUST MAYBE -- if enough of the alumni family pulls together in these small ways, MAYBE we won't have to complain about the budget.
Just sayin . . .
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AnchorsAway
Registered User
I didn't forget about the assistants but increases in their salary from their current rate of pay (whatever it may be) would probably realistically be minimal compared to the 40k (or so) that we would need to get a better head coaching salary.....I understand where you are coming from that for a program to stay very competitive you need a decent level of assitant pay as well, but we are a small school and we have to start somewhere and if you are looking at only being able to beef up the head coaching salary OR bring up the assitant coaches pay to a competitive level I think it's obvious that the number 1 guy gets the raise first.
AnchorsAway
Registered User
Re: LSSU Hockey 2012-2013
First of all, fantastic post, very well put and you are totally correct that too many Lakers move down state and get swallowed up in a rivalry between schools they never went to....I take every opportunity to talk about and raise awareness about Lake State as a school and as a sports program with people down here and I am deep in the heart of southeast Michigan where the green-maize fascination is at full tilt.
I was aware that Jackson made those other moves prior to going to Notre Dame, I suppose I didn't make that very clear, I was talking about him making "the jump" in terms of the vacuum of his NCAA coaching career....That when he made the return to college he chose to do it at one of the most, if not the most, high profile universities in this country...even though their hockey program held little responsibility in bolstering the school to such a level of acclaim....
My main point being that I think the day to day experiences of a Jim Roque at an LSSU or a Walt Kyle at NMU or a Bob Daniels at Ferris differ so greatly from a coach at Notre Dame, Michigan State, Minnesota, etc. that you would barely recognize that the men at these two different tiers of schools held the same title. I just wonder if at times guys
who are or were at these big schools who got their start and had great success at little "have-not" schools like ours at times miss the small school atmosphere where they were the captain and didn't have to worry about others trying to get a hand to "help" steer the wheel of the ship and the overall character that is gleaned from such experiences.....kind of like when people look back at their first house or job or car, etc. at the time they probably complained about it constantly and could not wait for an "upgrade" but when they look back on it years later they have a higher level of appreciation for the character and the satisfaction of finally getting to call such objects theirs....not to say that they would want it back now or would trade what they have now but have a higher level of appreciation for it nontheless.
First of all, fantastic post, very well put and you are totally correct that too many Lakers move down state and get swallowed up in a rivalry between schools they never went to....I take every opportunity to talk about and raise awareness about Lake State as a school and as a sports program with people down here and I am deep in the heart of southeast Michigan where the green-maize fascination is at full tilt.
I was aware that Jackson made those other moves prior to going to Notre Dame, I suppose I didn't make that very clear, I was talking about him making "the jump" in terms of the vacuum of his NCAA coaching career....That when he made the return to college he chose to do it at one of the most, if not the most, high profile universities in this country...even though their hockey program held little responsibility in bolstering the school to such a level of acclaim....
My main point being that I think the day to day experiences of a Jim Roque at an LSSU or a Walt Kyle at NMU or a Bob Daniels at Ferris differ so greatly from a coach at Notre Dame, Michigan State, Minnesota, etc. that you would barely recognize that the men at these two different tiers of schools held the same title. I just wonder if at times guys
who are or were at these big schools who got their start and had great success at little "have-not" schools like ours at times miss the small school atmosphere where they were the captain and didn't have to worry about others trying to get a hand to "help" steer the wheel of the ship and the overall character that is gleaned from such experiences.....kind of like when people look back at their first house or job or car, etc. at the time they probably complained about it constantly and could not wait for an "upgrade" but when they look back on it years later they have a higher level of appreciation for the character and the satisfaction of finally getting to call such objects theirs....not to say that they would want it back now or would trade what they have now but have a higher level of appreciation for it nontheless.
Re: LSSU Hockey 2012-2013
Random pot-shot Regarding truthy's 155th exact identical posting about LSSU hockey:
My ancient greek comes back to me when I read some people's postings . . .
Sophocles from Antigone . . . . "All men may err; but he that keepeth not his folly, but repenteth, doeth well; but stubbornness cometh to great trouble."
Or my Soloman, at Proverbs 26:11.
Either way, I love this guy. Smart, bright, articulate, and always ready to engage in a lively conversation with new insights. Some people might say stubborn ahearance to a passionate hatred is the basic definition of psychosis. Einstein said insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and always expecting a different result. But I am not worried, for while I would generally be repulsed by such psychosis and anger, so passionately held and so passionately dispensed, I see an entirely differant angle! I think its just neat and cute to be able, in this one lone instance, to look into the mind of a bitter suburban Detroiter whose family got chewed up and spit out by the big, bad, scary, mean, not-nice poopy-faces of the UP. Having long been an advocate for blowing up the Mighty Mac and forcing all those filthy Detroiters to spend their summers on their own fouled and disease-ridden Lake St. Clair beaches . . . I am pleased that, from time to time, I am presented with an opportunity to reinforce my otherwise-totally-absurd Xenophobic anti-SE Michigan beliefs. The fact that I can gain personal affirmation and satisfaction from this poor man's deeply-root pyschosis AND -- AND -- AND still maintain the extra-credit enjoyment of reading well thought out prose and reasoned argument . . . well . . . I've said it before and I'll say it again: "I love this guy."
You ever have a song that you like. I mean REALLY like? And you play it over and over again, and even though its a simple song, you just can't ever seem to get enough? (Come on Bill, I'm looking at you -- I know you love some Foghat's Fool for the City!). Well, here is Truth-something-something. He beats a steady drum, and I admit that I am not sure he knows how to post any other sort of post except for his standard ranting (hey, again, kind of like Foghat!). But that is one sexy drum beat. And like Foghat, it just . . .. keeps. . . . . on . . . . giving!
Random pot-shot Regarding truthy's 155th exact identical posting about LSSU hockey:
My ancient greek comes back to me when I read some people's postings . . .
Sophocles from Antigone . . . . "All men may err; but he that keepeth not his folly, but repenteth, doeth well; but stubbornness cometh to great trouble."
Or my Soloman, at Proverbs 26:11.
Either way, I love this guy. Smart, bright, articulate, and always ready to engage in a lively conversation with new insights. Some people might say stubborn ahearance to a passionate hatred is the basic definition of psychosis. Einstein said insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and always expecting a different result. But I am not worried, for while I would generally be repulsed by such psychosis and anger, so passionately held and so passionately dispensed, I see an entirely differant angle! I think its just neat and cute to be able, in this one lone instance, to look into the mind of a bitter suburban Detroiter whose family got chewed up and spit out by the big, bad, scary, mean, not-nice poopy-faces of the UP. Having long been an advocate for blowing up the Mighty Mac and forcing all those filthy Detroiters to spend their summers on their own fouled and disease-ridden Lake St. Clair beaches . . . I am pleased that, from time to time, I am presented with an opportunity to reinforce my otherwise-totally-absurd Xenophobic anti-SE Michigan beliefs. The fact that I can gain personal affirmation and satisfaction from this poor man's deeply-root pyschosis AND -- AND -- AND still maintain the extra-credit enjoyment of reading well thought out prose and reasoned argument . . . well . . . I've said it before and I'll say it again: "I love this guy."
You ever have a song that you like. I mean REALLY like? And you play it over and over again, and even though its a simple song, you just can't ever seem to get enough? (Come on Bill, I'm looking at you -- I know you love some Foghat's Fool for the City!). Well, here is Truth-something-something. He beats a steady drum, and I admit that I am not sure he knows how to post any other sort of post except for his standard ranting (hey, again, kind of like Foghat!). But that is one sexy drum beat. And like Foghat, it just . . .. keeps. . . . . on . . . . giving!
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Hockeyintheblood
New member
Re: LSSU Hockey 2012-2013
Just thought I would turn the discussion to committments. Do we know all of the recruits yet. If not mistaken I didn't see any from the USHL, and only a couple from the NAHL. Also I would like to note that several of TC players are headed to other CCHA teams...seems interesting and if I read right none to LSSU. I know about budgets but also I believe good recruiting can change a few minds over a couple of scholarship dollars. Might be interesting to ask the coach after all the Junior tournaments which LSSU scouted, I understand not discussing to early. Also seems to me there is some worthy talent going to be displayed at the Dudley cup. Does the NCAA allow for volunteer or part time scouts? One good thing about the Eagles going to the NAHL is that all that talent will be coming through the Soo hopefully we watch every game.
Just thought I would turn the discussion to committments. Do we know all of the recruits yet. If not mistaken I didn't see any from the USHL, and only a couple from the NAHL. Also I would like to note that several of TC players are headed to other CCHA teams...seems interesting and if I read right none to LSSU. I know about budgets but also I believe good recruiting can change a few minds over a couple of scholarship dollars. Might be interesting to ask the coach after all the Junior tournaments which LSSU scouted, I understand not discussing to early. Also seems to me there is some worthy talent going to be displayed at the Dudley cup. Does the NCAA allow for volunteer or part time scouts? One good thing about the Eagles going to the NAHL is that all that talent will be coming through the Soo hopefully we watch every game.
Re: LSSU Hockey 2012-2013
Coaches can talk about having kids in for visits, or even that they have verbal commitments, but they can't mention names until the recruits have signed Letters of Intent.
No we don't know all the recruits for next season yet. The coaches were looking for 1 more D and possibly 1 more forward (if they could find one cheaply). With Trotman leaving, they now will likely be looking for 2 more D. There are 5 D coming back if we count Wees, who they were thinking about converting to a forward. We have 1 D commitment so far (Drapluk). If they only get 1 more D, you can argue that is enough since that would bring the total up to 7, but Roque has said that he likes to have 8 D, so they may very well bring in 2 more. If they can't find 2 good ones, I'm fine with only bringing in 1, but that's just my opinion. I don't see any point in bringing in another forward. We only lose Cassiani and have 1 replacement commitment (Johnson). If they can find a late sleeper (with a lot of potential) who everyone else has missed, OK, but I don't think there is really a need for another forward.
Coaches can talk about having kids in for visits, or even that they have verbal commitments, but they can't mention names until the recruits have signed Letters of Intent.
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AnchorsAway
Registered User
The 9 players from the NAHL or the USHL the Lakers played with is a lot higher number than they had the previous few seasons, and although we don't have any TC north stars coming in next year (that we know of) we had 3 or 4 come from that team the previous year...and since that team is coming to a Pullar near you, chances are there is more water in the well for the Lakers....as Bill and I have discussed at length before the Lakers resources prevent them from really pounding the NAHL and especially USHL....especially when a kid who is a bit player on an NAHL or USHL team ( think Wall or Shrkeli) may not worth it if you can get a top liner from an OJHL squad (think McParland, Monardo, Rick Schofield)......now obviously if you can get get a top player fron the NAHL or USHL then you go for it no questions asked (Trotman)....but in today's situation, those opportunities don't come around often.
AnchorsAway
Registered User
$40 more dollars would make you cancel your tickets even if it meant helping to lure in a legit coach?
Re: LSSU Hockey 2012-2013
Especially considering that tickets to a Lakers game are among the cheapest in D-1 hockey....heck I went to see a game in GreenBay (USHL) and the cheapest tickets were 11.50 (1.50 more than the Lakers) and the lower seat ones were going for 16.50...that's Junior Hockey!!!....GreyHound tickets are 18.50 a pop!!
Especially considering that tickets to a Lakers game are among the cheapest in D-1 hockey....heck I went to see a game in GreenBay (USHL) and the cheapest tickets were 11.50 (1.50 more than the Lakers) and the lower seat ones were going for 16.50...that's Junior Hockey!!!....GreyHound tickets are 18.50 a pop!!
Re: LSSU Hockey 2012-2013
I see that now. And I agree with your point. Even when Jackson decided to come back to college hockey, he picked Notre Dame, not LSSU. I know LSSU was willing to give him everything he wanted. I believe Notre Dame made a "blow you out of the water" offer of money, along with promises to build a new rink, more money, promises to hire top assistants and pay them, and then added a little more money. I see that.
I also thought Jackson wasn't coming back to the Soo for the same reason Frank should not have come back: There are no second acts in coaching. No matter what Jackson did, he would likely find it hard to replicate his pervious success. And there is always the "been there, done that" feeling.
But I agree, while money may not have played a role in Jackson leaving -- money may have certainly played a role in him not coming back.
I see that now. And I agree with your point. Even when Jackson decided to come back to college hockey, he picked Notre Dame, not LSSU. I know LSSU was willing to give him everything he wanted. I believe Notre Dame made a "blow you out of the water" offer of money, along with promises to build a new rink, more money, promises to hire top assistants and pay them, and then added a little more money. I see that.
I also thought Jackson wasn't coming back to the Soo for the same reason Frank should not have come back: There are no second acts in coaching. No matter what Jackson did, he would likely find it hard to replicate his pervious success. And there is always the "been there, done that" feeling.
But I agree, while money may not have played a role in Jackson leaving -- money may have certainly played a role in him not coming back.
Re: LSSU Hockey 2012-2013
Jackson was well paid by LSSU because he held the title of A.D. as well has head coach. His salary was 90k a year (a significant amount back in 1992) and the sweet thing for him was that the school created an assistant A.D. position, given to Bill Crawford, that really performed all the A.D. functions leaving Jackson to focus mainly on hockey. When Crawford asked him to come back, the school basically offered him the same deal, but 10 years later that 90k wasn't all that much any more. Jackson really didn't decline because of the money, however. He was well aware of the new landscape in college hockey and the Lakers place in it. Only a large program with the resources needed to compete was going to lure Jackson back to the NCAA....hence Notre Dame.
The 2000's were not kind to Lake State, their budget was severely slashed (coupled with some real shoddy leadership), forcing them to make deep cuts across the board, including athletics. No way could the school replicate what they did back in the early 90's concerning positions and salaries. Dunbar's pay for an A.D. is even more laughable than Roque's salary for a D-1 head coach.
We really are talking about a shoe string budget here folks, in an economically depressed area where there is only so much money to go around and only so much fans are willing to pay. These are not excuses....just the sad facts.
Jackson was well paid by LSSU because he held the title of A.D. as well has head coach. His salary was 90k a year (a significant amount back in 1992) and the sweet thing for him was that the school created an assistant A.D. position, given to Bill Crawford, that really performed all the A.D. functions leaving Jackson to focus mainly on hockey. When Crawford asked him to come back, the school basically offered him the same deal, but 10 years later that 90k wasn't all that much any more. Jackson really didn't decline because of the money, however. He was well aware of the new landscape in college hockey and the Lakers place in it. Only a large program with the resources needed to compete was going to lure Jackson back to the NCAA....hence Notre Dame.
The 2000's were not kind to Lake State, their budget was severely slashed (coupled with some real shoddy leadership), forcing them to make deep cuts across the board, including athletics. No way could the school replicate what they did back in the early 90's concerning positions and salaries. Dunbar's pay for an A.D. is even more laughable than Roque's salary for a D-1 head coach.
We really are talking about a shoe string budget here folks, in an economically depressed area where there is only so much money to go around and only so much fans are willing to pay. These are not excuses....just the sad facts.
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