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LSSU Hockey 2012-2013
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Is this bon bon actually a Laker fan ?
PerkyforPrez
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Re: LSSU Hockey 2012-2013
It sure is a big loss for the Lakers, I figured he would have come back for his senior season. Best of luck Zach
It sure is a big loss for the Lakers, I figured he would have come back for his senior season. Best of luck Zach
Re: LSSU Hockey 2012-2013
That leaves them thin on D, but not totally unexpected. Only 3 D with significant experience going into next season, Perrault, Bruneteau, and Czuczman. Sternberg did see a fair amount of ice time late in the season and will likely be counted on even more next season. Wees is a D but they had been thinking of converting him to a forward; maybe that will change now. Drapluk will also probably see a lot of ice time early and hopefully he'll turn out to be solid. They were already looking for 1 more D for next season, now it'll be 2. Might be tough to find 2 more good D recruits this late; maybe they'll try to get a commitment from a kid who they were initially targeting for the 2013-14 season and bring him in a year early. The last potential D recruit that was in for a visit decided to go elsewhere. Roque likes to have 8 D on the roster.
mmf
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Re: LSSU Hockey 2012-2013
You are so correct...they made a huge upgrade on moral character, professional behavior, and coaching talent. Nice try, Doc.
Sorry Laker fans for cluttering up your thread.
You are so correct...they made a huge upgrade on moral character, professional behavior, and coaching talent. Nice try, Doc.
Sorry Laker fans for cluttering up your thread.
LSSULaker889294
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Re: LSSU Hockey 2012-2013
Ferris State is the first GLIAC school in the Frozen Four since our own Lakers back in 1994 when we won it all. The WCHA will be tough when the realignment happens in 2013-14.
Ferris State is the first GLIAC school in the Frozen Four since our own Lakers back in 1994 when we won it all. The WCHA will be tough when the realignment happens in 2013-14.
Re: LSSU Hockey 2012-2013
PerkyForPres............I know Joey from a number of dealings with him when he was a coach fro the tribe and I was with the Compuware Junior "A" team. He had some real spacey thoughts/opinions. Also, sons of two of my hockey friends played for him and were far from impressed. Just like opinions of airline experiences, we all have different experiences and hence opinions of hockey coaches. I prefer to evaluate hockey staffs rather than just head coaches along. Very seldom does a head coach have all the skill sets to be a complete coach. Part of the evaluation of a head coach is that he recognize his shortcomings and picks assistants that compliment his abilities.
Ferris State wa the only CCHA team to win their way to the Frozen Four. I was hoping that Western would advance, but North Dakota was just to good. I don't like that Minny plays North Dakota in a Regional Finals, and there we two other
league rivals with that potential (HE & CCHA), a sign to me of poor pairings in he Regionals.
PerkyForPres............I know Joey from a number of dealings with him when he was a coach fro the tribe and I was with the Compuware Junior "A" team. He had some real spacey thoughts/opinions. Also, sons of two of my hockey friends played for him and were far from impressed. Just like opinions of airline experiences, we all have different experiences and hence opinions of hockey coaches. I prefer to evaluate hockey staffs rather than just head coaches along. Very seldom does a head coach have all the skill sets to be a complete coach. Part of the evaluation of a head coach is that he recognize his shortcomings and picks assistants that compliment his abilities.
Ferris State wa the only CCHA team to win their way to the Frozen Four. I was hoping that Western would advance, but North Dakota was just to good. I don't like that Minny plays North Dakota in a Regional Finals, and there we two other
league rivals with that potential (HE & CCHA), a sign to me of poor pairings in he Regionals.
PerkyforPrez
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Re: LSSU Hockey 2012-2013
Fricker, I think Joey would be a good canditate and like I said we all have our own oppinions and it's all good. I know some players that played for him that enjoyed the experience. Again when the time does come to replace Roque I hope the administration does a broad search for his replacement.
Fricker, I think Joey would be a good canditate and like I said we all have our own oppinions and it's all good. I know some players that played for him that enjoyed the experience. Again when the time does come to replace Roque I hope the administration does a broad search for his replacement.
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I don't know Joe Shawhan and I don't know what his players have thought of him when he was their coach. I also don't know if he'd even be interested in the LSSU job (should it become open) because of the circumstances under which he left. There would be a definite risk involved in hiring him though. Because of Joe being a Soo native and with all his local connections, what do you think would happen if he was hired as LSSU coach and the team didn't perform very well for several years (no better, or worse than under Jim Roque)? Unless it was for some reason other than team performance (e.g. recruiting violations, personal issues), it would be very hard for the administration to fire him because of the public uproar that would likely cause in the Soo community. They couldn't fire one of the Soo's own could they? Just something to consider.
Re: U Hockey 2012-2013
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I agree with, and have made the same points on this forum previously. However, the two issues I'd like to see solved by this staff are not money related. Namely inconsistent play, and lack of player development. I have no doubt Coach Roque and his staff have adequate knowledge and experience, but these two issues dog this program annually. I believe recruiting is going to improve with the contributions from Coach LaPrade. I want to see them do more with what they get. No one would disagree that increased funding would help, and any division one coach, including Coach Roque, deserves a competitive salary, but some things don't require more money to fix.
I wonder about your comparison to FSU. Is their budget significantly different than LSSU's?
Also, did anyone else note during the Union games this weekend the announcers stated a couple of times that Union gives no hockey scholarships. Is this true? Do they disguise them as academic or leadership scholarships?
Re: U Hockey 2012-2013
I agree with, and have made the same points on this forum previously. However, the two issues I'd like to see solved by this staff are not money related. Namely inconsistent play, and lack of player development. I have no doubt Coach Roque and his staff have adequate knowledge and experience, but these two issues dog this program annually. I believe recruiting is going to improve with the contributions from Coach LaPrade. I want to see them do more with what they get. No one would disagree that increased funding would help, and any division one coach, including Coach Roque, deserves a competitive salary, but some things don't require more money to fix.
I wonder about your comparison to FSU. Is their budget significantly different than LSSU's?
Also, did anyone else note during the Union games this weekend the announcers stated a couple of times that Union gives no hockey scholarships. Is this true? Do they disguise them as academic or leadership scholarships?
Re: U Hockey 2012-2013
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Re: U Hockey 2012-2013
Ivy League schools don't give athletic scholarships either. Schools playing Div 1 hockey who don't give athletic scholarships are giving financial aid in some other form to their student athletes.
Re: U Hockey 2012-2013
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Union and other ECAC Ivy league schools offer financial aid packages that pay for the majority of tuition and board. It is also much easier for those schools to recruit academically inclined athletes, than your typical state school, due to their scholastic reputations. Let's be honest, a degree from Cornel will open many more lucrative doors than a comparable degree from LSSU or NMU.....
I'm sure FSU's athletic budget is larger than LSSU's...they are after-all a much larger institituion.
Re: U Hockey 2012-2013
Union and other ECAC Ivy league schools offer financial aid packages that pay for the majority of tuition and board. It is also much easier for those schools to recruit academically inclined athletes, than your typical state school, due to their scholastic reputations. Let's be honest, a degree from Cornel will open many more lucrative doors than a comparable degree from LSSU or NMU.....
I'm sure FSU's athletic budget is larger than LSSU's...they are after-all a much larger institituion.
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You know, the school as a whole has suffered from tight budgets the past decade, so I am not suprised to see the hockey program with a tight bottom line. I wonder (out loud) if these were some of the things that both chased Jackson away -- and kept him from coming back? (Probably an obvious "yes").
And before we crown Daniels and Ferris as the new gold standard, lets all remember that Ferris wasn't exactly a power-house the last few years -- and were picked to finish in the bottom half this year. And there is not one NHL draft pick on the Bulldogs. And they still play in a half-arena with bleacher seating. And they play in not-exactly-hockey-country Big Rapids. What they did this year was pull together as a team, dig deep, and the players played at or above their presupposed abilities. I don't think Ferris has a hockey budget any larger than LSSU's.
To me, the situations look very similar.
My point: Sometimes you need to catch a break as a small program. And usually you don't.
You need, as a small program, to find a collection of players who just come together in a way nobody expected. Frank Anzalone caught a huge break when an undersized forward named Jim Dowd chose LSSU -- for whatever reason. That set off a chain reaction.
Daniels and Roque are, to me, almost identical. Daniels has had 8 winning seasons since 1992! He's had TWO NCAA appearances since 1992. Sometimes his teams are mid-table, sometimes a little lower. And twice, he's pushed a group of underachievers into the tourny. He has worked tirelessly since 1992 to improve Ferris hockey -- and its been a long, slow, frustrating ride for most Ferris fans. He got the locker rooms updated. He got the training gear updated. He got the fan area improved. But he is working within very tight financial constraints.
Should Ferris have fired Daniels five years ago? Last year? Brought in new blood? Brought in a young assistant who was hungry?
I don't know. But I suspect Daniels and Roque both know what they are dealing with at their prospective schools -- financially.
And I am curious is anyone thinks there is a different coach out there who can magically increase the LSSU budget, pay for three new full-time hockey-only staff people, increase the pay and travel allowances for the assistants?
You know, the school as a whole has suffered from tight budgets the past decade, so I am not suprised to see the hockey program with a tight bottom line. I wonder (out loud) if these were some of the things that both chased Jackson away -- and kept him from coming back? (Probably an obvious "yes").
And before we crown Daniels and Ferris as the new gold standard, lets all remember that Ferris wasn't exactly a power-house the last few years -- and were picked to finish in the bottom half this year. And there is not one NHL draft pick on the Bulldogs. And they still play in a half-arena with bleacher seating. And they play in not-exactly-hockey-country Big Rapids. What they did this year was pull together as a team, dig deep, and the players played at or above their presupposed abilities. I don't think Ferris has a hockey budget any larger than LSSU's.
To me, the situations look very similar.
My point: Sometimes you need to catch a break as a small program. And usually you don't.
You need, as a small program, to find a collection of players who just come together in a way nobody expected. Frank Anzalone caught a huge break when an undersized forward named Jim Dowd chose LSSU -- for whatever reason. That set off a chain reaction.
Daniels and Roque are, to me, almost identical. Daniels has had 8 winning seasons since 1992! He's had TWO NCAA appearances since 1992. Sometimes his teams are mid-table, sometimes a little lower. And twice, he's pushed a group of underachievers into the tourny. He has worked tirelessly since 1992 to improve Ferris hockey -- and its been a long, slow, frustrating ride for most Ferris fans. He got the locker rooms updated. He got the training gear updated. He got the fan area improved. But he is working within very tight financial constraints.
Should Ferris have fired Daniels five years ago? Last year? Brought in new blood? Brought in a young assistant who was hungry?
I don't know. But I suspect Daniels and Roque both know what they are dealing with at their prospective schools -- financially.
And I am curious is anyone thinks there is a different coach out there who can magically increase the LSSU budget, pay for three new full-time hockey-only staff people, increase the pay and travel allowances for the assistants?
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jncc......Another thing Union, St. Lawrence, and the Ivy's have going for them is that their Admissions Dept's consider Canadian hockey players "foreign students" and are very lenient on their HS English grades and SAT/ACT. You gotta believe that many/all of the IVY hockey programs are give a certain number of "wild card" players with borderline grades below the
average admit to an Ivy League school.
jncc......Another thing Union, St. Lawrence, and the Ivy's have going for them is that their Admissions Dept's consider Canadian hockey players "foreign students" and are very lenient on their HS English grades and SAT/ACT. You gotta believe that many/all of the IVY hockey programs are give a certain number of "wild card" players with borderline grades below the
average admit to an Ivy League school.
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There are so many out there who have expected LSSU, NMU and Tech to be right there with the Michigans, the Miamis and the Minnesotas of the hockey world, and just cannot understand why they are not on a regular basis. They think just because Western hired a new coach that is was simply Blashill and Murray that are responsible. But along with Blashill and Murray came a major infusion of cash. Some of that money has gone into the salaries of assistants and staffing. Much money has gone toward recruiting as well. Those bigger budgeted school spend two to three times the number of days on the recruiting trail that LSSU and NMU can. They see more games, see more players and have a greater opportunity to properly evaluate talent first hand. And it gives them more opportunities to find those sleepers too. Does that make a difference when it comes to finding players who give a more consistent effort, or those who, despite inconsistent effort, have enough natural ability to get through it. When it comes to the $$$, there may be a kid that a school like LSSU has all but wrapped up, then a Michigan scout sees him play and can fly him in within days, offer him a half scholarship and steal him away, all weeks ahead of that flight that was booked to the Soo, that LSSU may now have to eat the cost on.
It will be nice when we can compare apples to apples in two years, as opposed to comparing then to the schools with 2-3-4 times the budget and ten times the prestige.
There are so many out there who have expected LSSU, NMU and Tech to be right there with the Michigans, the Miamis and the Minnesotas of the hockey world, and just cannot understand why they are not on a regular basis. They think just because Western hired a new coach that is was simply Blashill and Murray that are responsible. But along with Blashill and Murray came a major infusion of cash. Some of that money has gone into the salaries of assistants and staffing. Much money has gone toward recruiting as well. Those bigger budgeted school spend two to three times the number of days on the recruiting trail that LSSU and NMU can. They see more games, see more players and have a greater opportunity to properly evaluate talent first hand. And it gives them more opportunities to find those sleepers too. Does that make a difference when it comes to finding players who give a more consistent effort, or those who, despite inconsistent effort, have enough natural ability to get through it. When it comes to the $$$, there may be a kid that a school like LSSU has all but wrapped up, then a Michigan scout sees him play and can fly him in within days, offer him a half scholarship and steal him away, all weeks ahead of that flight that was booked to the Soo, that LSSU may now have to eat the cost on.
It will be nice when we can compare apples to apples in two years, as opposed to comparing then to the schools with 2-3-4 times the budget and ten times the prestige.
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Perhaps to a small degree that is true, but for the most part I have to disagree with you. I think that inconsistent play from the players you have, as well as how much they develop from season to season, are more reflective of how good a motivator and teacher the coach is coupled with how much the players trust and respect the coach.
Re: LSSU Hockey 2012-2013
Good article on the recruiting of 15 year olds and the decisions they face choosing between NCAA Div 1 and Major Junior:
http://centraljuniorhockeyleague.ca/view/CCHL/news/news_46233
Good article on the recruiting of 15 year olds and the decisions they face choosing between NCAA Div 1 and Major Junior:
http://centraljuniorhockeyleague.ca/view/CCHL/news/news_46233
Tooth Squid
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Re: LSSU Hockey 2012-2013
Yeah it gets boring blaming sorry excuses for players like Nik Smellyers
Yeah it gets boring blaming sorry excuses for players like Nik Smellyers
Hockeyintheblood
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Re: LSSU Hockey 2012-2013
If that is true LSSU is lucky to have a coach. I believe there are some AAA coaches that make almost that much.
If that is true LSSU is lucky to have a coach. I believe there are some AAA coaches that make almost that much.