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LSSU Hockey 2012-2013

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The time has come to give the leader of this administration and his seven straight lower division finishes, second half collapses, big game letdowns, league reprimands, star players cut for no reason, broken promises to players, average attendance dropping every season, playoff crowds in the hundreds, junior b teams drawing more to their playoff games, excuses, excuses, excuses, and more excuses you people up there constantely, THE BOOT.

The Truth Is Out There....
TBA
TBA

Broken Promises to players? I'm sure that they were promised that if they sucked they would still get to play(add the sarcasm if you didn't already). Because in the real world, if you slack off, you get cut. The promises weren't kept by the players, not the coaches or admin.
 
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You people always want to throw the kids under the bus, to protect this administration. It is very sad how you people up there are blind obedient lap dogs for this coach and the seven and soon to be eight years of lower division finishes, second half colloapses, big game disappearing acts, crowds in the 1000's, and more of the same with players like ravn, barchuk and hall of fame coaches like Frank Anzalone, and most ridiculous, parents of former great players getting ridiculed, all to not address the real issues which none of you people want to do. But you will have a nice coat of blue paint in Norris Center next year for all those empty seats thanks to those unnamed donors who keep this coach in power. Can any of you people up there truthfully say this coach deserves another year on merit or the past seven years?

The Truth Is Out There.....
TBA

Anzalone:
01-02: 8-27-2 (.243)
02-03: 6-28-4 (.211)
03-04: 9-20-7 (.347)
04-05: 9-22-7 (.329)

Roque:
05-06: 15-14-7 (.514)
06-07: 21-19-3 (.523)
07-08: 10-20-7 (.365)
08-09: 11-20-8 (.385)
09-10: 15-18-5 (.461)
10-11: 13-17-9 (.449)
11-12: 18-17-5 (.512)
 
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You people always want to throw the kids under the bus, to protect this administration. It is very sad how you people up there are blind obedient lap dogs for this coach and the seven and soon to be eight years of lower division finishes, second half colloapses, big game disappearing acts, crowds in the 1000's, and more of the same with players like ravn, barchuk and hall of fame coaches like Frank Anzalone, and most ridiculous, parents of former great players getting ridiculed, all to not address the real issues which none of you people want to do. But you will have a nice coat of blue paint in Norris Center next year for all those empty seats thanks to those unnamed donors who keep this coach in power. Can any of you people up there truthfully say this coach deserves another year on merit or the past seven years?

The Truth Is Out There.....
TBA

In a previous post you mentioned "star players cut for no reason." Define "star," and who were these "stars?"
 
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Anzalone:
01-02: 8-27-2 (.243)
02-03: 6-28-4 (.211)
03-04: 9-20-7 (.347)
04-05: 9-22-7 (.329)


Worst four year stretch in LSSU history. Perhaps one of the worst four year stretches in ANY D-I program's history.

Frank tried. He really did. He wanted to win so badly. But he did not have the ability to reach college players anymore.

Whether Roque should be retained is a nice question to debate. But I am not aware of any mysterious un-named donors who are lavishing the program with secret funds merely to keep Jim Roque as head coach. Perhaps Roques biggest problem -- in my opinion -- is that he actually DOES NOT seem to be able to make good direct contact with potential donors, thereby limiting the programs funding and budget, limiting his recruiting budget, and limiting not only his own pay, but the pay of his assistants. If Jim Roque was such a super-star with the monied elite (if any such people exist who are interested in sending huge piles of money to LSSU), then why the budget levels?

A similarly situated coach is Enrico Blasi. Compare Miami's hockey program when Blasi took over: Small hockey school, relatively isolated in non-hockey country (SW Ohio). Outdated stadium. A growing basketball program detracting fan interest. Miami has some limited success (Gwodecky had one NCAA, but that was surrounded by sub-.500 season; Mazzoleni was only slightly better year-by-year, but also only one NCAA appearance). They were a program that hoped for one big class, or one big recruit, every four years. Blasi spent three years as an assistant (under George at Denver) before taking over his alma-mater at a critical stage: Would Miami hockey grow, or fade?

Blasi has lots of other talent, but the one thing he has done better than anything else is making sure the money is flowing into the program. As I understand it, Blasi was able to tap into the alumni support for massive projects (including a new stadium) and huge budget increases (for recruiting and staff). The results speak for themselves. As I said, Blasi obviously has other great talents as a coach. But he has raised Miami to national contender and yearly power program.

Can fundraising make a difference? Ask Jeff Jackson, who spear-headed the rebuilding of the Taffy.

So if Roque is to remain the LSSU head coach, I would say it is in SPITE of the power-money and alumni base.
 
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Come to expect this kind of nonsense with you people up there.

You only point out the four years where Frank took over a totally decimated program and was given half the time to fix it as the current coach and, as evidenced by the early success with Roque in his first two years under Frank Anzalone's system, players and rebuilding plan. You also forget to mention the 30 win seasons and three National Championships that he either won or was largely responsible for. Roque hasn't even been to the NCAA Tournament, he hasn't even been close. You people are so predictible.

The Truth Is Out There....
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Nobody is forgetting Anzalone's previous run. You also seem to be totally ignorant as to why Frank was run out of town, despite his alleged success. And you also seem to be totally ignorant as to who was recruiting Frank's players in those years (hint: He still works for LSSU) along with Jackson. Cursiously, there was a dramatic upturn in the overall fortunes of LSSU both financially and on the ice once Frank LEFT town, and Jackson and Roque were able to manage to team without the nonsense and distractions and drunken brawls caused by Frank. Why, praytell, do you think they called him Crazy Frank. It wasn't because of his inventive game-time strategy, thats for sure.

So lets put Frank back in the Soo -- minus Roque and Jackson. Viola, total disaster. Worst four year stretch in LSSU history.

And who gives a flying puck about Frank? I loved the coach, and I was heartened when he came back because perhaps he would do some good. He didn't. He stunk. His players stunk. His teams stunk. The program was obliterated by Borek, but Frank pulled the plug. LSSU is lucky to still have a team after Franks terrible years. He didn't just kill the program on the ice -- he killed it in town, and nationwide. When he was younger his brash drunken bravado was tolerable, if only because he was winning, and he was promising "to stick it to those fat schools in lansing and ann arbor." And we all went for the ride because he was delivering the goods. But is second run in the Soo was a joke. He was clueless. his players were weak, slow, lazy, and his game plans were ineffective. He was overmatched in every facet of a modern D-I program. That isn't hyperbole -- those are facts. That he was ever given a second shot was the BIGGEST mistake the good old boys in the Soo ever committed. When Borek was broomed, the school could have gone in any direction and hired a coach better than Frank. They could've found a coach who was young and hunrgy. Instead, the Good Old Boys made the HUGE mistake of bringing in a tired, old, haggered, exhausted, half-sauced old retread.

Then I hear people like truth and other say perhaps Frank wasn't given enough time. Time? Are you kidding? Did you watch those teams? Clueless and crappy doesn't even begin to describe the low quality of hockey Frank brought. The ONLY reason he wasn't fired after two seasons was because Borek's run had been so amazingly terrible that the faithful (myself included) beleived nobody could put teams as bad as Borek on the ice.

We were wrong.

So then the Good Old Boys broomed Frank, and brought back Roque.

Maybe its time to move Roque too. I do know this: Nobody is offering the job to Frank.

So what happens to Truth and people like him? I mean, Frank is never coming back. What now? So Roque gets fired. Ok . . . whats next?

Is that all you were about?

Bland, tired, stale rantings, all made in a effort to defend a coach who was fired 8 years ago -- and fired for excellent cause. Who was a better choice at the time? Is it merely Roque you hate? Or is it anyone who might replace Frank? Perhaps its the administration you hate? For what? Firing Frank? Buddy -- Frank has been fired more times, in more locations -- and always for the same two reasons: He can't win, and he's a jerk.

Larry Robinson said of Scotty Bowman: "You hated for 364 days out of the year, and on the 365th day, you picked up your Stanley Cup Ring." Being a jerk is ok if you perform. Being a jerk and losing? Guess what that gets you? Ahhh, yes . . . . you get fired. Just like in every other job all over North America. Bosses will tolerate a jerk as long as the jerk performs. Bosses will not tolerate a jerk who sucks at his job. Bosses will actually tolerate people who are terrible at their jobs but decent people, nice people. But you can't be both a jerk and suck.

And lets take all the varnish away for two seconds: Frank was a jerk. Frank was always a jerk. But from 2001-2005 he SUCKED at his job.

End of story.

If you would like to engage in a detailed discussion of Coach Roque's faults as a coach, please go ahead. Explain to me his strategic errors. Explain to me the training program that needs altering. Explain to me where his game plan is lacking, against certain teams, and what you might do to fix that plan. Explain to me what a new coach would bring to the table, how that new coach would alter the landscape, and who that new coach might be -- and why that person is a good fit? But saying, "Remember Frank" is unlikely to sway any argument in your favor. And if you don't know about Frank, and his behavior in and around town (and other towns, and at other rinks) then you obviously don't know what you're talking about.
 
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Honestly....truth must be ignored by all....it is the only way that he will go away....

A few corrections for you LakerBlue......Anzalone never drank anything harder than a diet Coke....he was that squeaky clean. He also inherited what was for all intent and purpose a Dvision 3 caliber program where by the coaching staff no longer even bothered to go out and scout their prospective recruits, relying only on video and the scouting services of self serving Junior coaches trying to move their players up and cementing their reputations as D-1 breeding grounds. The team that Frank inherited was totally devoid of any talent what so ever and would have been hard pressed to win a D-3 conference play-off, let alone compete at the D-1 level in what was at the time one of the strongest conferences in the country. No other bonafide candidate wanted to take over the Lakers.....Bill Crawford begged Jeff Jackson to return offering him any salary and position he wanted....including Athletic Director. Jackson wasn't biting. Frank took the job knowing that some lean years were in store but even he was shocked at the decrepit state of the program....he begged Roque to come on board with him, knowing that he needed his recruiting prowess and his connection to the college game.

We all know how it turned out but to blame Anzalone is way waaaaay off the mark.....he did his part in laying the ground work to at least bring the program back up to a Division 1 caliber level and in fact left Roque with a pretty solid team....
 
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I was surprised to hear about Frank's drunken brawls when I was under the impression Anzalone drank pop and nothing more. Frank took over a Division 4 team in all honesty . Division 3 was to tough for the team Frank took over. I had a Bowling Green player tell me to my face that Frank was coming back to a team that had no talent,no conditioning,no strength,no discipline,and after five years of no coaching,Frank was walking back into a nightmare and yet he once again set the ground work to build a program on. Franks problem was Frank but he was a good coach regardless of his record the second time around.
 
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I think the last two posts were about the fairest and most objective ones I have seen regarding Frank Anzalone's second stint. He did inherit, in fact, a Division 4 caliber team and it was going to take years and he did have a six year plan, that culminated with a trip to the Joe Louis Arena in year six. Unfortunately he was cast aside because of politics, and Laker fans can only imagine where they would be with him still at the helm.

Where have they gone the past five years? They were improving each and every year under Frank Anzalone, much like they did in the 1980's when he built this program into an NCAA powerhouse and National Champion. Given him in charge during the past decade, there is no telling where Lake Superior State would be, but I bet they would be playing this weekend, and last.
 
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Not sure if anyone realized this, but LSSU finished 22nd in the Nation in Pair Wise Rankings out of 60+ NCCA D1 College Hockey Teams... Not sure what Math you have to use to get that to a "Bottom half finish".... I am not that smart though, so maybe I am missing something....
 
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Scott Borek killed Laker Hockey. I think 99% of us can agree on that.
Frank Anzalone's best 2nd Term team had a .347 win %. In four years. And nobody saw improvement in the team. Borek was bad, but to say Frank "rebuilt" the program in his second tour is totally incorrect.

And I realize the powers on the hill really wanted Jackson back. They virtually gave him the Poe Lock. Jackson said no -- and so the administration thought they needed a "name" coach. Frank was available and willing. And for a season, there was much talk about the team "not playing well, but certainly looked better." Comparing any product to the Borek-era-product is an unfair comparison. Frank got two free years just because he was not Scott Borek. The last two years, the team continued to look slow and weak and disorganized. And Frank had to go.

There are some who will say Frank saved the program a second time. I'm not sure about that. But I will happily admit that I wanted Frank to win. And I would be thrilled if they named a part of the new building, or a new stand, or the locker rooms in Frank's honor. Nobody gave more of his heart and soul to the program. But the second time around, he failed -- horribly.

I do NOT accept the rationale that Frank failed because Borek left the team a mess. In recent years, we need only look at Western and Tech to see that a mess need not last for years after the old coach is gone. Frank was outdated and outclassed behind the bench. End of story.

Roque then comes in. he accepted the same terms and conditions as Frank: Program in peril.

I have said this before: Roque may not be a hockey genius, but he stabilized the ship.

Maybe its time for him to go, too. Maybe its time for a "splash" hiring. Any suggestions?

Oh, lots of people say "time for change." OK -- what change? What is it about Roque's current system, team, recruiting, personality, and player usage would you change -- and what coach would you bring in to make those changes? Who is out there, that any of us know about, that can address any of Roque's shortfalls.

Anyone?

Thoughts?

I have yet to hear anyone explain what it is about Jim Roque's coaching and leadership that makes him a prime candidate to be fired. Oh, ok, his record. Fair enough, and I agree. This is a results oriented business. Fine. Now tell me what a new coach is going to do -- that Roque is unable or unwilling to do -- to change that record.

Hmmmm? Anyone? Anything?

Come on. We have some people on here who want Roque fired. We have people who believe Roque is a puppet for a corrupt administration. Proof? Any? Ideas on change? Any? Or do we just have one guy who has a thin grasp of English, whose son was cut, who posts under multiple nom de plams to trash talk coach Roque.
 
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I know you are probably a "Yuper" and it might take time for you to figure this out, but hopefully this will help you.

First off, it's "Yooper." And just because you are a Yooper doesn't mean it takes time to figure things out. You're statement here is rather demeaning to all Yoopers. Year 6 of Frank 2.0? So does Jamie Russell get the credit for Mel's success at Tech this year? How about a tip of the cap to Jim Culhane for what Jeff Blashill (a Yooper, by the way and now Red Wings assistant) and Andy Murray have accomplished. While you're at it, give Rich Rodriguez credit for this year's Michigan football season. You talk of star players cut for no reason. Again, who were these "stars?" What kind of numbers did they put up?

Was Frank a success? An LSSU Hall of Famer? Absolutely. And he deserves all the credit for what he accomplished at that point. Any adulation he receives is well earned. He put the program on the map. But if the numbers from 1982-90 don't lie, then neither do the numbers from 2001-05. Much like you accuse others of making excuses for the current coach and administration, you make excuses for the second tenure.
 
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Scott Borek killed Laker Hockey. I think 99% of us can agree on that.
Frank Anzalone's best 2nd Term team had a .347 win %. In four years. And nobody saw improvement in the team. Borek was bad, but to say Frank "rebuilt" the program in his second tour is totally incorrect.
I think there was one area of improvement in the team during Frank's second stint compared to what Borek left him, and that area is on ice discipline. The Lakers were taking a lot of penalties in the last couple of Borek years, and Frank got that turned around. The talent wasn't there to turn that into more Ws, but at least he installed a little more discipline in the team.
 
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Maybe its time for him to go, too. Maybe its time for a "splash" hiring. Any suggestions?

Oh, lots of people say "time for change." OK -- what change? What is it about Roque's current system, team, recruiting, personality, and player usage would you change -- and what coach would you bring in to make those changes? Who is out there, that any of us know about, that can address any of Roque's shortfalls.

Anyone?

Thoughts?

I have yet to hear anyone explain what it is about Jim Roque's coaching and leadership that makes him a prime candidate to be fired. Oh, ok, his record. Fair enough, and I agree. This is a results oriented business. Fine. Now tell me what a new coach is going to do -- that Roque is unable or unwilling to do -- to change that record.

Hmmmm? Anyone? Anything?

Come on. We have some people on here who want Roque fired. We have people who believe Roque is a puppet for a corrupt administration. Proof? Any? Ideas on change? Any? Or do we just have one guy who has a thin grasp of English, whose son was cut, who posts under multiple nom de plams to trash talk coach Roque.

Im torn on the coaching situation. Knowing the budget issues it could be hard to bring in a young new coach and if successful convince him to stick around when there may be greener pastures elsewhere. Having said that though, I dont think that should keep us from looking for someone new. Roque has done a good job of stabilizing things and getting more out of the players than Frank did during his 2nd tenure (at least based soley on the win % and stats). And he has had some success getting some wins in the playoffs and even has a trip to the Joe. But I feel like these 2nd half collapses, and inconsitent play (lose Friday, win Saturday; play great for 3 or 4 games then suck it up for a month) is a big negative against Roque for me. Now, I admittedly havent been able to see a game in some time or listen on the radio so I am basing this off of recaps and what I read here. Also as Bill(?) has noted, we have some players who can score some points but it just seems like we can't get anyone to really spark the scoring. Over the past few years its been a score by committee situation it seems. And while that can be fine, there are those times where you just need that one player or two who can light the lamp especially in the clutch situation (not in the shootout). We just dont seem to have it. Now is that a recruiting issue or a style of play issue? I don't know. But either way it falls on the coach. It also sounds like that when we do have someone set up a good scoring chance we dont have anyone that can finish.

All in all I look at it this way I guess: Roque is adequate for the job right now. He seems to be able to produce some wins and get an OK win % and have a decent showing in the playoffs. I wish that this conference switch was this coming season. I would really like to see what he can do in that conference situation. But Im not sure I would want him around much longer. It seems this would be a great time to go for the gusto and bring in new coaching if we are going to do it. Give them one year in the old CCHA against the Michigans, Miamis and Notre Dames and then hopefully within that season they can establish what kind of hockey team they are trying to be and then make that transition into the new WCHA and it can be a bit more of a fresh start. I say look to the juniors for someone eager to move up. Heck maybe even look to the minors for a guy who has just been hoping for the chance to prove he can lead. I almost want to say let's avoid looking for an alum and bring in new outside blood who might think differently and have new ideas.

So I'm sure that was all over the place (and I may not have even answered the quoted questions or anything) but I guess thats my feelings on everything right now. As an alum I will always support Laker hockey and whoever is coaching (I liked Frank as a person and wanted to seem him succed with the Lakers). I like to believe we can be critical (in a constructive way) while still being supportive.

GO LAKERS.
 
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Joey Shawhan

Frank Anzalone would be a great choice but would turn down the job I believe.
 
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Joey Shawhan

Shawhan is kind of wild card. I was under the impression that his departure was not...I'm not sure the word. I heard it did not go over very well as in the administration did not treat him great. Would he be willing to come back to that? Perhaps since there have been some changes up top he might be. I don't know much about him other than he was a solid junior leagues coach (correct?) and was supposed to be a solid recruiter as well. Could be worth a shot. I'd still like to see someone totally new to the program though who might come in with different ideas. But maybe we just aren't ready for that yet.
 
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Joey Shawhan

Frank Anzalone would be a great choice but would turn down the job I believe.

Welcome to 2001? Or is it 1991? Sorry, but how did I know that his name would come up? That is the SPLASH pick? No offense but . .. oh heck lots of offense ... hahahahaha. You hate Roque but you want Shawhan? Seriously? That is the end game? A Full Year of chipping your teeth about Jim Roque, and your BEST answer is Joe Shawhan? Wow, that is imagination.

The fact is you don't know what you're talking about. You know that joe patted your kid on the head once at practice. You don't know anything about the current team. You don't know anything about the team's current tactics, or recruiting. You don't know anything about running a modern D-I hockey program. You don't know anything about any assistants that are looking to step up. You don't know about any former player who might move to LSSU and take over the helm. You have chipped your teeth at Jim Roque JUST so you could see Joe Shawhan run a D-I program? Thats it? This is what you've been begging for? Oh my . . . its all so clear now. Wow. That is funny stuff. Funny. Funny Stuff.

Gee, I wonder why Tech didn't hire him? I can't imagine why NMU didn't pay him? Why isn't he Robert Morris' head coach right now? What, no D-III openings?

HAHAHAHAHA.

Classic.

You want to move the program forward? You preach for a whole year about the insider old boy network at LSSU, and then ---- hahahahaha -- then you toss out that name? THAT was your answer all along?

Well darn it all -- I am impressed.
 
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I would see nothing wrong with hiring Joe Shawhan . To be a head coach the man had to go back to college and get his 4 year degree and he did that. He has experience in the juniors and at the college ranks and has a good knowledge of the game and seems to be a good recruiter as well. As for his departure being under less than desired conditions . Most assistants would forget the past to be a head coach that all assistants dream of becoming.

AS for Anzalone saving the program or not ? I think he sent it back in the right direction with getting programs back on track that develope players from discipline to conditioning to strength building that was missing for a period of time.
 
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You preach for a whole year about the insider old boy network at LSSU, and then ---- hahahahaha -- then you toss out that name? THAT was your answer all along?

Well darn it all -- I am impressed.

So Jim Roque is the obvious answer in year 8. Well darn it all -- I am impressed!!

You people are so predictable

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Welcome to 2001? Or is it 1991? Sorry, but how did I know that his name would come up? That is the SPLASH pick? No offense but . .. oh heck lots of offense ... hahahahaha. You hate Roque but you want Shawhan? Seriously? That is the end game? A Full Year of chipping your teeth about Jim Roque, and your BEST answer is Joe Shawhan? Wow, that is imagination.

The fact is you don't know what you're talking about. You know that joe patted your kid on the head once at practice. You don't know anything about the current team. You don't know anything about the team's current tactics, or recruiting. You don't know anything about running a modern D-I hockey program. You don't know anything about any assistants that are looking to step up. You don't know about any former player who might move to LSSU and take over the helm. You have chipped your teeth at Jim Roque JUST so you could see Joe Shawhan run a D-I program? Thats it? This is what you've been begging for? Oh my . . . its all so clear now. Wow. That is funny stuff. Funny. Funny Stuff.

Gee, I wonder why Tech didn't hire him? I can't imagine why NMU didn't pay him? Why isn't he Robert Morris' head coach right now? What, no D-III openings?

HAHAHAHAHA.

Classic.

You want to move the program forward? You preach for a whole year about the insider old boy network at LSSU, and then ---- hahahahaha -- then you toss out that name? THAT was your answer all along?

Well darn it all -- I am impressed.

You don't know what you are talking about and quit making up such foolishness and vitriol.

You are one of the biggest apologists of the current coach, but to demean a former player, coach and boy from your hometown is pathetic at best. That was just one name of about a hundred others that would be as good a fit up there as Frank Anzalone was the first time, was the second time before his rebuilding plan was cut short by ambitious people in the dead of night, and would be the third time, if he was interested.
 
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