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LSSU Hockey 2012-2013

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sm2pk... ....I was the director of player development in the years before and after JJ left Lake State, and remember very distinctly sitting in the stands one Saturday at a game and sitting with one of the Laker Assistant coaches. He was very frustrated that he thought Jeff had changed his recruiting style in recent years and wasn't bringing in the type of player that had made him successful. I wish now I had drilled deeper to find out exactly what he meant, but, unfortunately, I didn't. The success that JJ had his last couple years was a product of the success his Juniors &
Seniors had, not the Freshman & Sophomores. Unfortunately, Scott Borek didn't adopt his own style/system, but attempted and failed using JJ's system. Not only did I hear this, but watched it
unfold during my son, Matts, four years at Lake State. IMO, Scott was a very successful recruiting coach in the wrong place at the wrong time as a Head Coach.
 
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Fricker,no one is going to tell me that Jacksons last year was a heading south program. Jacksons last year was his second highest winning per-centage year and Borek came to a team with good talent and did nothing with it. Borek was never head coaching material and to this day he still isn't . I didn't know Jacksons teams were out of conditioned as Boreks team seem to be. I still recall to this day when A Bowling Green player told me with Anzalone coming back in at least the Laker team will get it's conditioning program back. Fricker,I remember Borek saying after the Jackson group left that the players were all his and they wanted to play for him and the Jackson recruits would not. In other words,Borek was digging for straws to blame the falling program on.
 
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It was magical, miraculous and every time you look up at the banners in the Norris Center and see those 3 National Championships, conference titles, NCAA births you can thank Frank Anzalone for building a team from scratch and making it a once national powerhouse. Given more time and support up there, Frank could have done that again and still could.

The Truth Is Out There.....
TBA
..Truth,Frank could but the problem is Frank has a tendency to get in his own way.
 
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sm2pk................no problem, I respect your opinion, but I hope your getting enough air with your head burried in the sand. I'm just commenting what one of their assistants told me,
 
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sm2pk................no problem, I respect your opinion, but I hope your getting enough air with your head burried in the sand. I'm just commenting what one of their assistants told me,


I love the Glory Days as much as anyone . . . but most of this seems, and sounds, like Ancient history. Jackson left. He was, at the time, a hugely popular and hugely in-demand coach. And that means there was money and power being dangled. That happens in sports. Jackson didn't leave because the program was slipping. Jackson didn't leave because he knew recruiting was off. Jackson didn't leave because he knew the program could not sustain success at that high level. Jackson left because money, power, and opportunity came calling, and he answered that call. He certainly answered that call while he and his program were at the top of the NCAAs . . . but that is axiomatic. (Much like the absurd saying, "I found my lost car keys. They were in the last place I looked." Of course they were in the last place you looked. e.g., the coach left when he was at his peak market value. Of course he left at his peak market value).

Anyhow, there have been many, many, many bad seasons since then. Borek was over his head. I disagree that the kitchen was empty when he arrived, but I guess that is a matter of opinion.

Frank's return was amazing for how terrible it was. There is only one person crazy enough to declare that the worst 4 year stretch in NCAA history was somehow anything -- anything -- other than a compelte trainwreck. Sorry, I liked Frank and I wanted him to recapture the magic. He did not. Those teams were dreadful to watch. And because the hockey was so unwatchable, the malais of Borek turned into total collapse under Anzalone. That is not spite, or anger, or emotional ranting. That is the truth. Frank's teams were horrible. His game-plan, always defensive in nature, took on a bizarre feeling -- three defensemen, a fourth forward/defeseman, and a random roving forward. But the talent was so low, and the teams so slow, that even this ultra-defensive posture could not prevent the team from being badly outshot on a nightly basis. When your leading scorers are routinely leading the team with 18 points in 38 games, there is NO joy watching that team. There was a wierd lack of fitness. There was a wierd lack of simple skills (I remember those dark days wondering why -- WHY -- can't an LSSU defenseman pass the puck in a forward motion?). The team was slow. The defensive system installed by Anzalone was cumbersome and worse, ineffective. There was NO transition game. The Lakers would ice the puck nearly twice and three times as much as the opposition. It was a minor miracle if the team strung together 3 passes.

But THIS is all ancient history, too.

Its all in the past.

We can't relive the glory days and we shouldn't dwell on the dark days.

We have a program that is slowly coming out a dark, dark period. The school was also in a dark period. Funding and enrollment were down. Cuts were everywhere. There were very real and serious questions being asked about the viability and necessity of LSSU as an institution.

But just as the college is starting the show a healthy heart beat again, so too is the hockey program.

The funding and fund raising efforts are going very well. And there are lots of good people out there quietly drumming up financial support. The building and facilities are getting much-needed upgrades and improvements. The team on the ice was, until mid-February, legitimately in the hunt for a top-four CCHA finish and a spot in the NCAAs. The coach - while frustrating for some fans and posters on this site -- is dedicated to his team, his program, his school, and (by all indications) the coach has a good working relationship with his Athletic Director. The team is moving to the WCHA with the other UP and Alaska schools in a move that should improve rivalries, and possibly the W-L record and provide an easier (potentially) path to the NCAAs. The Soo as a town is slowly coming out of its darkest haze. The UP is stirring, as well. Both Tech and NMU are doing equally good things on the ice and on their respective campuses. We have a hockey team full of very bright young hockey players who act as excellent ambassadors for the program. And most importantly, we have some decent talent to watch.

This season, the forecheck and transition games were obviously greatly improved. There was a good flow to Laker games that has been in short supply the past decade. Except for the melt-down at the very end of the season, this was a good team to watch.

Next year, they bring back virtually the entire team -- including the excellent goaltending.

Anyhow, thats my rant for the week. Things are quite a bit brighter in Laker land than at any time in the previous 10+ years.
 
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We believe that you sat with an assistant coach that told you he was frustrated with Jeff Jackson but that’s all we believe. Jim Roque did not leave Lake Superior on his own over recruiting concerns with Jeff Jackson. Jim Roque was fired by Jeff Jackson in ’95 after just one year back with the Lakers because it was believed he represented a negative influence on the team and the University. You are correct that Ron Rolston chose to leave on his own but it had nothing to do with disagreements over recruiting. Rolston was in charge of recruiting and Jeff Jackson trusted him.
Rolston left primarily because he was upset with Jeff Jackson for firing his friend, Jim Roque.
Clarkson University was searching for two assistant coaches. Jim Roque was hired to fill one of those positions and facilitated that Ron Rolston be offered the 2nd. Rolston accepted and left LSSU. SM2PK and Bill could validate this. Why you brought this up especially now is anybody’s guess.
Ron Rolston was groomed by Jeff Jackson to be the next head coach and losing him left the program vulnerable. He should have taken over one year later when Jackson took the job with USA Hockey. Jackson recommended Scott Borek to replace him for continuity because his relationship with Ron Rolston was destroyed. Borek prepared for one stress free 30-8-1 season prior to taking over one of the top programs in college hockey. Our opinion is that Ron Rolston was more prepared to lead Laker Hockey.
So our question to you Fricker is this. Do you think that Jeff Jackson was right to be concerned with the negative influence Jim Roque had on the program? We think the fact that he was able to pull Ron Rolston away from Lake State and Jeff Jackson, a close family friend, to head east to Clarkson University is pretty strong evidence supporting Jeff Jackson’s concerns Please remember the conversation you had that Saturday with the frustrated assistant coach before you answer.
 
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Assistant Coaching drama is nothing new in hockey. Promises are made, based on circumstances. Circumstances change. Promises are broken. Friendships are often damaged. LSSU wa in no different a situation than many top programs. There is always a small contingent of people who will tell you that the assistant coaches "Made all the difference," and without the amazing genius assistants, the high-flying head coach "would be lost." When a program wins as big as LSSU did in the Jackson era, the head coach is NOT the only one being told he is great. The assistants are also being wined and dined and wooed with money and promises of new a great things.

Personally, I think Paul Pooley was a better candidate for LSSU's job than Borek . . . or Anzalone. And his departure was a bigger deal than Roque. But who cares? If the purpose of looking back 20 years is merely to try to smear Jim Roque as an anti-Jackson (and therefore an anti-Laker) malcontent, a smoldering pile of bitterness over being passed up in 1990 in favor of Jackson for the head job, a bitter man who ruined Laker hockey by undercutting (somehow) Jackson's program and turning Rolston against Jackson and LSSU . . . ? I am just not buying that load. Sorry, thats too much "Days of Our Lives."

Indeed Borek has a better career record than Roque as a head coach. Again, who cares? Really . . . in the world of hockey, assistant coaches are moving all over the place. The assistant who stays at one school for a prolonged period of time is quite rare. Usually, the money and travel and pressure SUCK. Assistant coaches move for many reasons, money, time, opportunity, better town or city, less travel, more responsiblity and authority. Sometimes they actually leave because they feel they've been passed over. Sometimes they leave because they are tired of the head coach blaming them for failures in recruiting? Sometimes they are tired of being blamed for a leaky defense. Sometimes they just get sick of being that particular head coach's lap-dog and are looking for a new lap.
 
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If the purpose of looking back 20 years is merely to try to smear Jim Roque as an anti-Jackson (and therefore an anti-Laker) malcontent, a smoldering pile of bitterness over being passed up in 1990 in favor of Jackson for the head job, a bitter man who ruined Laker hockey by undercutting (somehow) Jackson's program and turning Rolston against Jackson and LSSU . . . ? I am just not buying that load. Sorry, thats too much "Days of Our Lives."

I appreciate when people are held accountable for untrue comments made. I took lssualum's post as correction to multiple posts by Fricker that were inaccurate. I think SM2PK tried but was not driving the point home. I didn't see it as a smear Coach Roque campaign. That was the best post I have seen in a long time. It is the first post that seemed close to what I remember happening back then. I agree with Lakerblue that it has nothing to do with what is going on today. I also wonder where FRICKER was trying to go with it. Maybe he was cut off before he could make his point. I agree with lakerblue that we stay current. Most of us know what happened in the past and fighting about that only distracts from the present.
 
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All I remember was there seemed to be some bad blood going on with the coaching staff and Jackson recommended Borek to take over and that was a huge mistake .
 
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The Truth Is Out There.....
TBA

. . . because Anzalone did such a bang-up job on his return? HAHAHAHAHAHA. The Truth is out there, that is for sure. Borek was a terrible D-I coach (ironically, he is a well respected assistant -- giving further weight to the absurd notion that all great assistants would de facto make great head coaches!), but his record was stunningly superior to Frank's second term. Frank's teams stunk out the joint, year after year. I thought Borek's teams were sloppy, in bad shape, and had a poor game-plan. And yet Borek's teams looked legitimate compared to the absurd mess on the ice during Anzalone's second run. That is not mean spirited, or insulting -- its the truth. Borek's teams always felt like there was more, and they were being held back by bad coaching. Anzalone's teams felt like there was nothing there -- talent, skill, fitness, game plan. And I liked Frank. And I wanted him to win soooo badly. But holy crap on a cracker were those teams TERRIBLE.

But that is all in the past.

For instance, I had a great time in college, but I don't spend my days wishing I could go back -- because I can't. I never will. Its impossible. So I move on.

The truth is this: Frank is gone, and he is gone because his teams stunk. Borek is gone, and he is gone because he team's stunk. Jackson is gone, and he is gone for the opposite reason: his teams were very good and he was suddenly in high demand. Roque is the current coach. I want him to win every blessed game. His teams are not NCAA power-houses, but neither are they unwatchable crap. If his teams stink, he too will be gone. Unless and until that date, I support whomever stands behind the Laker bench. I am not interested in soap-opera's and petty vendettas from 20 years ago.
 
Whatever!!!!!!!! You people up there never change and its truly sad the lengths you go and the vitriol that is spewed for anyone that dares speaks up for former hall of fame coaches, superstar players who weren't given a chance because they wouldn't play ball, and anyone who dares questions a coach with more losses than anyone in your little colleges history depsite the bottom division finishes, dwindling attendance, playoff crowds in the hundreds, off ice incidents and league reprimands, players disappearing off of rosters, and big bucks "unnamed donors" who provide the ultimate job security. I am done wasting my time on here.

The Truth Is Out There.....
TBA

The Truth Is Out There....
TBA

Which hall of fame?
 
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lssualumn..............I only brought this up in a discussion of recruiting assistants and the mis-conception that the Laker program was still going strong the day jeff Jackson walked out the door.
i have been a Ron Rolston fans for years. I have tried to remember the discussion I had with him when he talked of his frustrations and, honestly I have no idea if it was before or after Roque wa fired. I do know I heard that Ron & Jim Roque and that Ron was not happy with his firing. I never heard that Roque talked poorly of Jeff or Lake State, even after he was let go. I highly doubt
that the Lake State administration would have re-hired if he they heard he had been talking down the program.

Lakerblue........I agree with you that Paul Pooley would have been a better pick that Borek. I also think that Scott could have worked effectively under Paul, much like PP is working well under JJ at ND. Truth is, Scott Borek was a far more effective recruiting assistant than he was a head coach.

I have no knowledge of the differences JJ and Jim Roque had that led to his firing so I can't comment on the question if JJ thought Roque was a negative drag on recruiting.

IMO, Roque is a solid coach, but nobody on the coaching staff today is the "recruiting magnet" the Lakers really need to effectively out-recruit blue chippers to the Soo.

The bottom line is that having Frank Anazalone, JJ, and Jim Roque serve as Head coaches had led to the legacy the program had as a national D1 hockey power. Sustaining that success has not
been possible, nor was it an easy task. In the glory days leading to two national championships, it was a "perfect storm" the recruiting world. It was pre-NCAA Cleraringhouse times when the Laker
coaches could get marginal stdent/athelets admitted that other institutions couldn't, and having Ronny Rolston sell his little brother, Brian, turn down Michigan & MSU was just the cherry on top
of the sucess cake.
 
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Lakerblue, so much for staying current. I thought we were leaving the past in the past? What is the point you are trying to make other than to stir things up again? Truth Squad was quiet and you woke the beast. I'm beginning to think you two may be the same person. Seriously though, the unfortunate thing for Coach Roque is that while he remains at LSSU he will forever be linked to Coach Anzalone. Comparing the records of the two does nothing to seperate them, at least for me, because what binds them is not coaching abilities but the controversy that surrounded the two their entire careers whether at LSSU or other places. The two men are so similar that it is nearly impossible for me to think of one without thinking of the other. Honestly I think the only two that would totally disagree with that comment would be the two men themselves.

Thanks for clearing that up Fricker. I reread your posts and it still appears that you were stating the two assistants left the program voluntarily because they disagreed with the recruiting direction Coach Jackson was heading. You cleared it up by acknowledging that both coaches did not leave voluntarily and recruiting was most likely not the reason for the split. Ther rest regarding whether the talent pool was left bare for Coach Borek is wide open for discussion.
 
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Winning or responsible for three national championships and building your little college into a once national powerhouse. You people know which coach and hall of famer I am talking about you just have to stop grazing a bit take your blinders off and look at the truth and what he means to so many people and how much Frank Anzalone means to you people up there and hockey as a whole.

The Truth Is Out There....
TBA

Didn't that happen just after the Beatles broke up?
 
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Lakerblue, so much for staying current. I thought we were leaving the past in the past? What is the point you are trying to make other than to stir things up again? Truth Squad was quiet and you woke the beast. I'm beginning to think you two may be the same person. Seriously though, the unfortunate thing for Coach Roque is that while he remains at LSSU he will forever be linked to Coach Anzalone. Comparing the records of the two does nothing to seperate them, at least for me, because what binds them is not coaching abilities but the controversy that surrounded the two their entire careers whether at LSSU or other places. The two men are so similar that it is nearly impossible for me to think of one without thinking of the other. Honestly I think the only two that would totally disagree with that comment would be the two men themselves.

Thanks for clearing that up Fricker. I reread your posts and it still appears that you were stating the two assistants left the program voluntarily because they disagreed with the recruiting direction Coach Jackson was heading. You cleared it up by acknowledging that both coaches did not leave voluntarily and recruiting was most likely not the reason for the split. Ther rest regarding whether the talent pool was left bare for Coach Borek is wide open for discussion.


I was suckered in. I should've known better. I feel shame.
 
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Not suckered in with all the vitriol against former great coaches, players and their families being thrown around here. Shame

The Truth Is Out There....
TBA

The lure is so bright and it flashes in the water . . . I want to go after that lure soooo bad . . . must resist . . . must . . . find . . . a . . . . way . . . to not go after the bait . . .
 
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The Lakers will play home vs Union January 4-5. Also the Lakers play at Alaska November 2-3 and then play Alaska at home February 15-16. There will be a home and home series against Michigan Tech as well. The Lakers play them at home October 11 (Thursday) and then travel to Houghton to play them there October 13.
 
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The Lakers will play home vs Union January 4-5. Also the Lakers play at Alaska November 2-3 and then play Alaska at home February 15-16. There will be a home and home series against Michigan Tech as well. The Lakers play them at home October 11 (Thursday) and then travel to Houghton to play them there October 13.

I guess the only non-conference series left to figure out now is whether the Lakers play at Wisconsin or host Huntsville.
 
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