LSSU Hockey 2011-2012

[Proud2baLaker]

Re: LSSU Hockey 2011-2012

Frank won in 1988. He gets full props for that. Full.

But Jackson recruited every player on the 1992 team. And every player on the 1994 team. And the equally excellent 93, 95, and 96 teams. I liked Frank, don't get me wrong -- but Jackson was the real deal in his prime. Frank was a disaster in his second tenure. He was just as bad, and just as damaging to the program, as Scott Borek. The numbers don't lie -- the worst four year stretch in LSSU hockey history was Frank's second term. He built a great program once, and he was clearly unable to do it again. This has nothing to do with the administration, or the town, or the school, or the alumni -- it has to do with winning and losing, and in Frank's second term he lost a TON of game. He lost MOST of his games. His teams were routinely outplayed badly. He brought into the program players lacking talent, size, speed, or abilitity. His second term was a complete and total waste of years. The program would have been better off hiring a Spanish bullfighter's wife than Frank -- I can't see how the results would have been much different. And I LIKE Frank. I know he cared. I know he WANTED to win. I know he worked so hard for this school. But he just didn't have it. He sucked. Horribly. Terribly. Borek put the program on life-support and Frank darn near killed it.

I don't know if Jim Roque will ever turn it all the way around. I don't know if he can get the team over the hump. I do know a few things, though. Roque stabilized the program. At the end of Franks second term, the program could've easily been shuttered -- thats how bad the situation had become. Roque is no genius. He is not Scotty Bowman. But he has been a steady hand to correct the disaster of Borek and the ubber-disaster of Frank's second term. Roque might not last the summer. Perhaps its time to get a hot-shot assistant behind the bench? Perhaps.

I don't know much -- but Frank's term was a train wreck. Roque has struggled to find players and establish a system. The team has played much better last year and even slightly better this year. Is this enough improvement? I don't know. I don't get to make that choice.

I will tell anyone who asks this: I will support my Little School in my Little Village no matter who is behind the bench. i will buy my season tickets and promote the program in a positive way. I was always hopeful (despite my deeper fear I was being fooled) that Borek would find his feet. I was hopeful Frank would put it together like he used to do. I remain hopeful that Roque will get over the hump. And you know what? I will cheer on Roque's replacement, too. And if the Lakers never get over the hump, I will still cheer on these boys, and this program, and this little school on the hill. Its mine, for better or worse. Nobody forces a person to cheer for a sports team. Its not required to live. Its not required in any sense.

So if we LSSU people want to cheer for your little team in our little village, we do it and don't, generally, give a rat's behind what a disgruntled jackhole thinks. Frankly, if people in the Soo worried about outside opinion, we'd have real problems. And if LSSU grads and alumni worried about the ignorant rantings of some down-state rube, we would not have a very happy life.

But thanks for caring enough to randomly post, repeatedly, your obvious dislike for LSSU's current administration. Noted.

This. Excellent post that I believe really sums up many people's beliefs about Laker hockey including my own.

 

[Lakerblue]

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Denver to Houghton would be quite the shock for ol' Bruce McLeod. They could get cheap office space from Tech's SmartZone project. Maybe Bruce could strike a deal to live in Chicago and fly up to HQ one day a week.

In all seriousness, if the league office lands in any member town, it should be in Marquette. It's the most central location. However, I suspect they will end up in MSP.

BLAH on MSP. The New WCHA will have nothing of interest in MSP. Mankato and Bemidji are Minnesota afterthoughts NOW, in the current WCHA. Personally I like putting the WCHA offices in Houghton. Now I understand -- Houghton is central to nothing unless you're driving between L'Anse and Gay. But in another thought, its right in the middle of the new look WCHA. LSSU, Ferris, NMU to the East; Bemidji and Mankato to the south and west; and Alaska and UAA flying the flag on the Last Frontier. Houghton is the traditional home of the WCHA, in fact it is the traditional home of ALL college hockey in the West; and historically is the first outpost of hockey in the United States. Tech is the best school in the new WCHA -- academically and by reputation. And in the many, many, many years before the advent of USCHO polling -- all of the college hockey polls came out of Houghton. It was only in the late 1990s that the USCHO poll replaced the Houghton Phone Poll (where Tech and Houghton media would call around to the coaches by phone on Sunday mornings and compile the national poll). Tech and Houghton are simply: College Hockey.

Oh its not fancy. Thats the point. Its not some suite of rooms in a bland high rise in the equally bland Twin Cities. Lets be honest, the Twin Cities will never mention the letters W-C-H-A in that order again after the Big Ten and National Hockey Conference start playing. Heck, the white-bread-sallies in MSP barely lift their heads from gopher news to recognize St. Cloud or North Dakota. You really think there is some odd benefit to putting a WCHA league office in MSP? I don't.

Nope. I think Houghton makes sense. This will be the new Snow Belt Conference. Its a collection of small D-II schools putting all their eggs in the college hockey basket. Why pretend to be some big city machine? Why pretend to be something we will never be?

As for putting the league offices in Marquette? Why? You just want to put the offices in the dirtiest city in the UP for no particular reason?

 

[nmu_27]

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As for putting the league offices in Marquette? Why? You just want to put the offices in the dirtiest city in the UP for no particular reason?

Interesting comment. I think the steel mill across the river might put the Soo in the running, depending on how you are defining dirty.

Is there any reason the league office logistically needs to be centrally located? I think each city should present their case and the best presentation wins.

 

[LSSULaker889294]

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Interesting comment. I think the steel mill across the river might put the Soo in the running, depending on how you are defining dirty.

Is there any reason the league office logistically needs to be centrally located? I think each city should present their case and the best presentation wins.

No chance in hell the league office will be in the Sault. A lot of people think the Sault is going downfill and that Maquette has WAY more to offer than the Sault.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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I apologize about bumping in here, but I am curious if anyone here knows if there is an LSSU media guide that shows their year by year results somewhere online? I am trying to put in the data from 5 teams into my greatest teams formula. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Basically, I just need the schedule that the team played that year, along with the scores to each of the games. I need the following seasons...

1984-1985
1988-1989
1989-1990
1994-1995
1995-1996

Thanks in advance, and good luck to the Lakers this weekend.

 

[UMICH]

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Funny story... I consider myself a Michigan Football Fan, and I have a friend that played baseball for Mich... I commented about how ignorant Mich Hockey fans are, and he told me that Most Mich fans DO NOT like Mich Hockey fans... He told me Mich Hockey fans are jerks. That is from one of your own... Be proud UMICH Be Very proud.

What year? It is well-known that the Hockey and Baseball programs don't get along that well. That has improved over the last few years but basically, not much better...

 

[Bill]

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I apologize about bumping in here, but I am curious if anyone here knows if there is an LSSU media guide that shows their year by year results somewhere online? I am trying to put in the data from 5 teams into my greatest teams formula. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Basically, I just need the schedule that the team played that year, along with the scores to each of the games. I need the following seasons...

1984-1985
1988-1989
1989-1990
1994-1995
1995-1996

Thanks in advance, and good luck to the Lakers this weekend.

There is a media guide, but it doesn't have the level of detail you are looking for. It has W-L records for all the years of the program (pages 64-65, under coaches records), but only schedules and scores for the last five seasons. The older information is more than likely available at the school. Here is a link to the media guide:

http://www.lssulakers.com/sports/m-hockey/2011-12/releases/Media_Guide

 

[MeridianStreet]

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This. Excellent post that I believe really sums up many people's beliefs about Laker hockey including my own.

And all (well, most) head coaches say they couldn't be successful without their assistants. Frank's assistants were Jeff Jackson and Jim Roque. Assistants recruit the players generally. Regardless of what you think of Jim Roque, even his detractors speak highly of his recruiting ability and eye for talent. Head coaches typically do not recruit. Jeff and Jim were big parts of the team's success in the late 80s.

I don't know if any posters here read the ND thread but they have been woofing on Jackson re: his goalie picks. Since TS is such a Frank fan I would think he would blame Frank's first departure from Lake State on Jackson. C'mon TS, you have no life.........get on the ND site and join in the fray.

 

[Laker54]

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I apologize about bumping in here, but I am curious if anyone here knows if there is an LSSU media guide that shows their year by year results somewhere online? I am trying to put in the data from 5 teams into my greatest teams formula. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Basically, I just need the schedule that the team played that year, along with the scores to each of the games. I need the following seasons...

1984-1985
1988-1989
1989-1990
1994-1995
1995-1996

Thanks in advance, and good luck to the Lakers this weekend.

Check this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Superior_State_Lakers_men's_ice_hockey. I have followed that also and was disappointed the Lakers were not mentioned at all.

 

[Lakerblue]

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The WCHA HQ won't be in either Marquette or the Sault.

There is no reason to stay in Denver (and the offices are on the campus of DU, which would virtually mandate some changing). The Twin Cities have no association with the new look WCHA. Detroit has always been, and will continue to be, the heart of big six, er, I mean 10 country.

Grand Rapids is a nice city, but I wouldn't call it a hockey hot-bed, and certainly not a college hockey hotbed unless GVSU decided to spend millions of dollars it doesn't have on an ice hockey program it doesn't need.

Nope, the only place I see is Houghton. Just an opinion, of course.

 

[Lakerblue]

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There is a media guide, but it doesn't have the level of detail you are looking for. It has W-L records for all the years of the program (pages 64-65, under coaches records), but only schedules and scores for the last five seasons. The older information is more than likely available at the school, but the sports information director hasn't chosen to put it in the media guide. Here is a link to the media guide:

http://www.lssulakers.com/sports/m-hockey/2011-12/releases/Media_Guide

Thats kind of wierd. We get so comfortable being able to surf the web and find just about any little stat available. And it always amuses me when you find the end of the internet, so to speak. It seems odd that USCHO stops its season-by-season break-down at 2000. I seem to recall in or around 1997-98 still being able to access earlier season results via USCHO . . . perhaps the administration at USCHO has that information archeived? I would presume the SID at LSSU has that information, and I would further presume there would be no problem sharing that information. But of course that doesn't mean there is any help forthcoming from that source.

Odd.

 

[Bill]

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OK, I now have a copy of the Lakers year by year results, back to the start of the program. It's a Word document. I don't have anything to compare it against but I will go through it and look for obvious mistakes. When I'm done (it's not a high priority thing for me to do), I will post a message here and if anyone is interested in getting a copy, e-mail me through USCHO.

 

[LSSULaker889294]

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The Sault is under a winter storm watch tomorrow. With the students on spring break and possible bad weather, there might be less than 1,000 at tomorrow's game.

 

[Bill]

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The Sault is under a winter storm watch tomorrow. With the students on spring break and possible bad weather, there might be less than 1,000 at tomorrow's game.

Down here, I heard that 6-10 inches of snow is possible in northern lower Michigan plus the UP. We're just supposed to have rain here, changing to snow flurries tomorrow night.

 

[LSSULaker889294]

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Truth Boy must be praying for a snow storm so only 200 show up and then he goes on and on that it's Roque's fault and post fake pics again.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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OK, I now have a copy of the Lakers year by year results, back to the start of the program. I got it from the SID, who said it likely has errors since record keeping has been sloppy over the years. It's a Word document. I don't have anything to compare it against but I will go through it and look for obvious mistakes. When I'm done (it's not a high priority thing for me to do), I will post a message here and if anyone is interested in getting a copy, e-mail me through USCHO.

That will be very much appreciated. Thank you for taking the time to help me out.

I'll email you to get a copy. Thanks again.

 

[LSSULaker889294]

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Someone should post the Laker year by year results on Wikipedia so everyone can have easy access to it.

 

[Bill]

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OK, I now have a copy of the Lakers year by year results, back to the start of the program. It's a Word document. I don't have anything to compare it against but I will go through it and look for obvious mistakes. When I'm done (it's not a high priority thing for me to do), I will post a message here and if anyone is interested in getting a copy, e-mail me through USCHO.

I have the Laker Year by Year Results available for anyone who's interested. I made some minor formatting changes to try and make it easier on the eyes and give it a more consistent look, but didn't change the content at all. As I mentioned earlier, it is in the form of a Word document. It could use more work to make it look nicer if anyone wants to do that. I added some comments at the end of the document to try and address some of the obvious discrepancies. Most of those were in the earlier years of the program. For any Laker fans out there who may have what they feel to be reliable results for any/all of the past Laker seasons, it would be nice if you could bump them against this info from the SID to check for other errors (and then let me know so I can update this document).

If you would like a copy, just e-mail me via USCHO and let me know. To do that, just left click on my user name and then left click on Send Email.

 

[Flashy Man]

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Truth Squad is that you?

 

[Lakerblue]

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Truth Squad is that you?

The black LSSU choppers are over his house right now.

And really, how clever do you have to be? Oh, yes, that is some DEEP insight: LSSU has a struggling hockey program. My goodness, did somebody come up with that all on their own??? What's next? What wisdom might flow forth from the fountain in the likely forthcoming postings? Lets see? Let me guess -- because certainly the Truth Squad is spreading truth which is, allegedly, out there and not otherwise being discussed.

Hmmm. Perhaps he'll tell us that the Sault is a blue-collar town, where unemployment is a problem. Whitefish Bay is filled with cold water. Perhaps he'll tell us, because we obviously don't know, that the Sault is not Paris, France? Perhaps he can tell us that LSSU is the smallest state school in Michigan -- because that would be shocking to hear. Perhaps he'll tell us all how the Lakers have not made the NCAA tourney since Jeff Jackson left -- because obviously we don't know that. Perhaps he can enlighten us on the fact that the Lakers are drawing approximately 2,200 people a game this season -- because those stats are not readily available and since its not obviously published in every third posting by LSSU supporters on this web page, we must "just not know" and thankfully we have a person of insight and knowledge to share this hidden and secret information.

Perhaps the little nipper will tell us the Truth about grass being green, the sky being blue, and that 1+1=2. I mean, why not. Wow -- really -- the Sault is a rough looking town? Who knew? Thats amazing! I was looking for the Louvre the other day -- and I was wondering why it wasn't located in Sault Ste. Marie Michigan. Maybe its over in Ontario? Darn it! I wish somebody (Truthy, I'm looking at you, because you have the answers) would have told me this! I feel like Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca: "I came here for the waters." "What waters? Casablanca is in the desert!" "I was misinformed."

If ONLY I had known this valuable information beforehand!

I mean, wow! I am shocked, shocked (another Casablanca reference . . . I'm on a roll) to hear that there might be an old boys network in organized sports! What? Why I've never heard of anything so amazing! Really? Old hockey buddies stick together? NO! Say it isn't so? That can only happen in a place like the Soo, right? Please tell me this is an isolated incident. Athletic people don't make friends, and keep friends, throughout their life! I just can't believe it! Well -- heck -- I guess its true. The Truth is Out There.

But what is more shocking -- and I am shocked, just shocked -- to learn that the current LSSU administration is actually standing behind their employees (including their coaches) and not threatening them for their poor performance! I've never heard of anything like that! Because clearly, the AD and the president should be quoted early and often in the papers accusing the head hockey coach of total and complete failure. I am so glad a poster like Mr. Truth is here to point out this problem. I mean, I get it now -- the AD SHOULD be chopping off the legs of her coaches and stabbing them in the back and, clearly, her job -- and the job of the alumni, students, professors, and Soo residents -- is to spew as much hate and bile and bitterness at the coach, as often as possible. What is that silly broad Dunbar thinking? Absurd. She should be stabbing Roque in the back daily! Doesn't she get it? Well darn it -- consider me convinced now! Truth Squad proved to me the error of my ways so clearly.

And then today, you know what? He did it again. Dog-gone-it if that little shaver just doesn't have the market cornered on insider information. We are told that there will be a small crowd at the playoff game tonight. And even if the Lakers win, they face a tough next round test. WOW! Seeing as how the Lakers haven't advanced to the Joe since the Clinton administration, some people might say that is not much of a prediction. But they are soooooo wrong. Truth Squad gets it. He can see it so clearly. Its not just that the Lakers face a tough test in the second round (If they get there), its -- and hold you hats and prepare to have your minds friggin BLOWN -- its this: "The Lakers face a tough test in the second round (if they get there)."
Yeah -- thats what I thought, suckers. Yeah -- Truth Squad brought the truth, slammed the truth on your head, and dared you -- DARED YOU FOOLS AND PLAYERS -- to look the other way. You know what? You can't! You can't argue with that argument, baby. You can't fight that kind of TRUTH. Face. Deal.

I mean, instead of being angry with Truth, perhaps we should all learn to stop fearing, and maybe learn to love the Truth. I see the light, brothers.

Now, I am going to tell you all this straight up: If he can somehow prove that Sault Ste. Marie is located NORTH of the Mackinac Bridge, well . . . oh man . . . nobody is that clever. I have heard rumors from some "earth is round" quacks that say the Soo is North of the Bridge. But I'm not sure THAT level of Truth is actually out there. But you know what? I wouldn't put it past him. That is once smart MFer.