LOST Season 6 -- All Good Things Must Come To An End

[neshl05]

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If they answer them all now, what would they do with the 3.5 hours left?

I loved that episode. Great story telling. I have chills.

I agree... That was amazing and why I love lost... The island at the core of the story... We will not get all the answers...

 

[WeWantMore]

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I almost feel like this week's episode could have come before last weeks. It was a little ambiguous who's the good guy or bad guy in this episode, at least in my opinion.

 

[BU Fan 84]

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I almost feel like this week's episode could have come before last weeks. It was a little ambiguous who's the good guy or bad guy in this episode, at least in my opinion.

Yeah, I wonder if that is all the back-story we are going to get. Because I don't really see how we are supposed to think that the man in black is evil incarnate and the world as our main characters knows it would cease to exist if he was to get off the island. And why he flies around the island eating people.

I thought the episode was awful. The events they were trying to portray were good, but the writing was terrible and the acting was absolutely the worst I've seen in this series. It's like they threw it together this afternoon.

 

[jmh]

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I almost feel like this week's episode could have come before last weeks. It was a little ambiguous who's the good guy or bad guy in this episode, at least in my opinion.

That's the point of the story, though, isn't it? At first they're just kids and neither of them is the good guy or the bad guy. I guess even now there's some ambiguity to it and that's sort of the point.

OK, so hold on... the brother (did we catch his name?) isn't actually the smoke monster? He died when Jacob put him in that cave, which is why we see his skeleton at the end, and the smoke monster takes his form like any other dead person?

 

[UNH GH]

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That's the point of the story, though, isn't it? At first they're just kids and neither of them is the good guy or the bad guy. I guess even now there's some ambiguity to it and that's sort of the point.

OK, so hold on... the brother (did we catch his name?) isn't actually the smoke monster? He died when Jacob put him in that cave, which is why we see his skeleton at the end, and the smoke monster takes his form like any other dead person?

No I'm pretty sure Smokie IS Jacob's Brother...in spirit. He died, I think that much is clear, but his spirit or whatever IS the smoke monster.

FLocke was saying Jacob took his body, his humanity.

But this episode really blurs the line between who is good and who is evil. Jacob didn't act so good this episode...and I feel for the Man in Black.

 

[WeWantMore]

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But this episode really blurs the line between who is good and who is evil. Jacob didn't act so good this episode...and I feel for the Man in Black.

Yeah, that's what I was trying to get at. To me it would have made more sense to have this episode a week ago, and then tonight show Smokey/fLocke/Man in Black blowing up the sub, killing everyone, and so on to clear up the situation.

 

[French Rage]

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[M-HockeyNet]

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No I'm pretty sure Smokie IS Jacob's Brother...in spirit. He died, I think that much is clear, but his spirit or whatever IS the smoke monster.

I think Smokie has to be Jacob's brother. If Smokie was separate from Jacob's brother, it wouldn't make sense because why would Smokie follow the rule that he couldn't kill Jacob or the candidates when that rule wouldn't apply to him? As far as we know it only applies to Jacob's brother, not those who take the form of Jacob's brother, not to mention when Smokie takes the form of Locke he doesn't act anything like Locke, and so on. Throughout the show Smokie ... in whatever form ... has had to manipulate people to do some of the dirty work that he is forbidden to do (i.e. get Ben to kill Jacob). We also know he has manipulation skills from living with the other people when he was younger. That, combined with his desire to leave the island--as we know Jacob's brother wanted to do--IMO, Smokie has to be Jacob's brother.

Now, is it really clear his brother died? Heck, is anything in this show ever really clear? Jacob said he had no intention of killing his brother before throwing him in the stream that took him down The Source. Jacob was also forbidden from killing his brother, so maybe he just knocked him out but didn't kill him before sending him down that stream. His brother's body may be dead, but it appears he is alive as Smokie. Maybe The Source killed his body (technicality)?

Now how he transformed in to Smokie (other than he went down a hole and magically came out as Smokie) is another question. And does he possess some ultimate evil now? We've been told if he leaves the island it will pretty much be the end of everything, but, unless I'm just forgetting at the moment, we haven't been told why or how that is. They were told never to go down the hole, he did, and now everything could cease to exist or something if he were to leave the island.

 

[rufus]

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That episode just raised more questions. I actually am not happy with that episode. I'm VERY confused.

Yeah, I thought as far as 'the big reveal' goes, this was pretty meh. Mystery about the light, sure, but Jacob and the un-named one being brothers, and having been born on the island, just kinda underwhelming as far as the big mystery about them goes.

We've been told if he leaves the island it will pretty much be the end of everything, but, unless I'm just forgetting at the moment, we haven't been told why or how that is. They were told never to go down the hole, he did, and now everything could cease to exist or something if he were to leave the island.

Perhaps now that he's roaming the island as the smoke monster, the power that sustains the island is with him, and not at the source anymore, so if he leaves, the island dies. And maybe the rest of the world as well.

I think Adam and Eve made a better story being Rose and Bernard left in the '70's, then what we ended up with.

 

[Bomber]

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I think Adam and Eve made a better story being Rose and Bernard left in the '70's, then what we ended up with.

Well, the story we have is very Caine and Able, ain't it?

Any guesses on what Old Smokie's name is? That will be a fun reveal.

And did the writers really know the full arc when they shot that scene in season one when Jack and Kate found those two bodies? I vaguely remember that scene. I remember Jack knowing that one of the bodies was female because I remember thinking: "star crossed lovers?"

And why is Billy Joel look-alike brother "special?" And did AJ (Allison Janney- does she have a character name?) know that as soon as she looked at him? and if, so, how? And how did she kill all those people. Does she have smoke monster power? Is she not really dead?

Yep, lots of questions.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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Why did I keep thinking she was Stockard Channing?

I actually enjoyed the episode a lot, despite the slow beginning. I saw very little of the show before this season, though, so its not like I know enough about the show to be annoyed by stuff that isn't really revealing much.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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I'm just left wondering where Jacob and smoke monster guy's fake mom came from and how did she learn all of this stuff about the island? It seems like she was Jacob before Jacob.

She was fine and happy with the baby and the birth when it was only Jacob, but as soon as she realized that there was another one coming, it was like she knew what was happening and that it was a bad thing.

 

[Bomber]

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Why did I keep thinking she was Stockard Channing?

Similar deep voice. But AJ's a better choice for this role.

And how cool was it seeing the wheel!? I dug that. It was also cool to see why the wells exist.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Any chance that the well Desmond is currently hanging out in is the same well as in last night's episode?

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Any chance that the well Desmond is currently hanging out in is the same well as in last night's episode?

Wasn't the well from last night the one with the wheel in it, the wheel that Locke turned to get off the island?

 

[rufus]

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I'm just left wondering where Jacob and smoke monster guy's fake mom came from and how did she learn all of this stuff about the island? It seems like she was Jacob before Jacob.

And why did she tell Jacob that she could no longer be the island's protector? Kinda sudden.

Because she killed all those people? But she'd already killed his mother, so I'd say killing doesn't automatically disqualify you from the position.

And how cool was it seeing the wheel!? I dug that. It was also cool to see why the wells exist.

I thought the wheel Ben(and Locke) turned was horizontal? This one was vertical. A wheel, but not necessarily the same one. An early prototype?

 

[Bomber]

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Any chance that the well Desmond is currently hanging out in is the same well as in last night's episode?

I bet it is.

Especially if they use the old theater rule. "If you hang a weapon over the fireplace, it had better go off before the end of Act II."

 

[WeWantMore]

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And why did she tell Jacob that she could no longer be the island's protector? Kinda sudden.

Because she killed all those people? But she'd already killed his mother, so I'd say killing doesn't automatically disqualify you from the position.

Maybe she knew she was going to die?

 

[moe24]

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Any chance that the well Desmond is currently hanging out in is the same well as in last night's episode?

Doubt it. The one from last night was filled in completely.

 

[moe24]

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I thought the wheel Ben(and Locke) turned was horizontal? This one was vertical. A wheel, but not necessarily the same one. An early prototype?

That wheel wasn't yet completed. I think it's safe to say it was completed at a later date.