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Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

It seems that a good deal of the underlying impetus for these proposals comes from the "Division II Life in Balance Initiative" which is linked within Alton's original link or can be found here.

It often denies that the proposed shortened seasons are financially motivated, but rather financial savings are just an extra benefit of better balancing the life of student athletes. It's a great justification and a great sell to the presidents and chancellors, but I'm not sure I buy it. Universities and specifically athletics are increasingly run on private business models in which cost savings are paramount.

It seems one of the primary motivators behind DII even taking this up was this:
"Division II student athletes in some sports are devoting almost as much time to athletics -if not more- then their Division I counterparts"

It seems clear to everybody, even the DII people that there is quite a difference between DI and DII athletes and athletics. Yet it seems the DI board wants to adopt the DII proposals to DI. That seems inconsistent.

As far as maintaining the same number of contests in a shorter season, the DII people repeatedly say "nuts to that." The oft repeated rationale is "Maintaining the same number of contests or dates of competition in a shorter season is detrimental to student athlete well being"

Good Lord. If the NCAA becomes convinced they can act in a noble way and save $$ at the same time, well, who on the comittee is going to vote against that?

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I think a big obstacle to the apparell contract thing is that schools like MI, WI, OH St., etc. just arent going to give up control of future, potentially lucrative private contracts without a huge fight. I wouldn't. And I just don't think the NCAA will be able to force them to. Although you make a good point about the split being on a sales basis Red Cloud.
 
Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

Anyway, dragging this thread away from the streaker/Scooby romper room and back on topic...

The idea of a 58-team contract for apparel was brought up. I don't suppose this is done anywhere else in the NCAA, but at the same time, there aren't really any other sports with this small membership that produces revenue with its championship. I suppose it could be done, but, as was said, it would have to be graduated in order to compensate for schools with long-term contracts for apparel, and there'd have to be some pretty solid support for it all around. I could see a tangible marketing benefit to Reebok or Nike getting such a contract but how would the revenues be split? Would probably have to be by each individual school's sales.

Legally it is next to impossible with the current setup. NMU8405 has the best explanation. The NCAA for all intents is just a governing body with minimal financial interests in the survival of its membership AD's. The central goal of the NCAA is to insure fair competition between its membership, not to make a profit. The NHL on the other hand has a central goal of making a profit and insuring fair competition. The NCAA could care less how individual universities run their AD's. They do not have the legal power to call for a single endorsement deal across each university according to the central constitution of the NCAA. Sure it would make financial sense, but it will never occur. Financially and legally, each university is a single entity. The NCAA would open itself up to a whole mess of litigation by both Nike and Adidas if it attempted this.
 
Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

I am aware of this, and addressed a potential solution in post #47.

Existing athletic dept. contracts would be honored until they expire.

Which is impossible due to the central constitution of the NCAA. The NCAA has zero legal power to force a central sponsorship deal down the throat of its membership. Each university is a single entity. Why should individual AD members care about a central sponsorship deal, when individual contracts are more individually lucrative.

For all it posturing over recruiting/student academic violations, the NCAA really has minimal legal power over the member athletic departments. The NCAA rarely can take serious action unless the Feds step in (ie the Fab Five).
 
Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

Which is impossible due to the central constitution of the NCAA. The NCAA has zero legal power to force a central sponsorship deal down the throat of its membership.

That's why it would have to be a solid majority of the member schools interested in doing it for it to pass.
 
Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

Why would the Frozen Four in April keep the NCAA from eliminating hockey in October?

one way to shorten the season, and save a lot of money for most sports is to cut back the post season. mens hockeys might have a better bargaining position over this because it's post season makes a profit.
 
Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

That's why it would have to be a solid majority of the member schools interested in doing it for it to pass.

Which will never happen. There is a reason Michigan dumped Nike for Adidas. Nike attempted to low ball the university, so Michigan told Nike to take a hike and signed a lucrative contract with Adidas. Why should universities take a paycut in terms of sponsorship funding for a less lucrative unified contract? If I was Michigan, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Minny, or BC with more lucrative contracts, I would tell the NCAA to go stick their stupid proposal where the sun doesn't shine.
 
Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

Which will never happen. There is a reason Michigan dumped Nike for Adidas. Nike attempted to low ball the university, so Michigan told Nike to take a hike and signed a lucrative contract with Adidas.

Was that for the whole department or just hockey?
 
Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

Which will never happen. There is a reason Michigan dumped Nike for Adidas. Nike attempted to low ball the university, so Michigan told Nike to take a hike and signed a lucrative contract with Adidas. Why should universities take a paycut in terms of sponsorship funding for a less lucrative unified contract? If I was Michigan, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Minny, or BC with more lucrative contracts, I would tell the NCAA to go stick their stupid proposal where the sun doesn't shine.

Given what Nike does with their jerseys (I'm going to howl the next time Florida State comes out in all black, including black helmets), you ought to get down on your knees nightly to thank the Lord for that.
 
Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

The other thing that hockey has to deal with: not a single member of the 31-person committee who will be considering this proposal is from a school in those conferences. Only Holy Cross & Princeton have representatives on the cabinet, the other 29 members represent non-hockey schools or conferences.

edit: Sorry, Goon; try here:
http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/DI_C...Supp_5_Cover_Sheet_Bylaw 17 and 31 Review.pdf

Thanks for re-posting that.
 
Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

The NCAA Division I Championships/Sports Management Cabinet met last week to give preliminary consideration to the cost-cutting proposals. They separated the proposals into a list of 16 items that are "identified for further discussion" and 5 items that were not.

http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/DI_C.../2010/February 2010/Report/Cabinet Report.pdf

Unfortunately, one of the proposals that was identified for further discussion was the proposal to "reduce length of season and number of contests in ice hockey."

The proposals will be reviewed further at a meeting in June, presumably after the committee is given time to receive feedback on the proposals. Hopefully the college hockey world will step in and express its opinion.
 
Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

Shorter season: yes
Fewer contests: no. hell, no.
 
Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

The proposals will be reviewed further at a meeting in June, presumably after the committee is given time to receive feedback on the proposals. Hopefully the college hockey world will step in and express its opinion.

This is should be a prime agenda item for Paul Kelley and his team at College Hockey Inc, as well other people in the sport to address. College hockey misses little class time with mostly weekend games, and perhaps they can reduce the length of the season by a few weeks without reducing the number contests as a compromise.
 
Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

The proposals will be reviewed further at a meeting in June, presumably after the committee is given time to receive feedback on the proposals. Hopefully the college hockey world will step in and express its opinion.

Any suggestions on how that might be done?


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Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

Thinking about making major changes to the way the season is set up should NOT be done by a committee with only 2 representatives with hockey programs (and non-varsity programs do not count). I can see this doing major damage to college hockey as we know it.
 
Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

The cost-saving proposals, including the reduced length of the hockey season and the reduced maximum number of contests, were discussed by the scary-sounding NCAA Leadership Council earlier this week.

http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/DI_MC_BOD/DI_LC/2010/March/LC March report with att.pdf

I don't know exactly what to make of their brief summary, but I suspect that it is fairly good news:

"The leadership council reviewed a list of possible cost savings measures recommended by various Division I cabinets...The Council noted that many of the recommendations appear to address 'low-hanging fruit' and it may be wiser to take a more global approach when attempting to address spending in intercollegiate athletics. The Council recommended that staff collect additional data regarding actual spending areas and, with the possible help of consultants, develop a set of principles that could guide a review of spending."

I am interpreting this to mean that proposals like cutting the hockey season were not taken very seriously by the Leadership Council, and they wanted to see more "global" ideas about cutting costs.

The recommendation that additional studies be done, and that they possibly hire consultants, just to "develop principles that could guide a review" suggests that any changes are off in the future, and that they will probably not be sport-specific recommendations.

This doesn't mean that they won't reduce the hockey season, but it does send a message that reducing the hockey season won't do too much to achieve the cost-cutting that they have in mind. We will need to see how the Championships and Sport Management Cabinet, which meets in June, reacts to what happened at this week's Leadership Council meeting.
 
Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

They're holding a meeting to schedule a meeting to choose a team to gather requirements to inform a study to...
 
Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

Get Pelosi in there. She'll fix the system whether we like it or not. Hope Michigan likes buying RIT's jerseys...
 
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