Little Known Facts and D-III Tidbits 09-10!

[MICZamboni]

Re: Little Known Facts and D-III Tidbits 09-10!

Simple enough.. 17 goals was payback for rough play. In the two games there were 57 infractions called. 34 minor penalties on Friday. On Sat 2 majors and a game suspension in the third period with 5 minors in the last minute. There were many infractions that were let go, too. If you didn't see it, then don't complain. There were plenty of ice bags on the players after Fridays encounter. It would be best if RIT and Potsdam dont meet again this year in hockey- perhaps a few rounds of kick boxing would be more appropriate.

2 majors and a game suspension in the 3rd with 5 minors in the last minute? Now I wasn't there but do you think maybe those infractions happened because of the score?

 

[score1]

Re: Little Known Facts and D-III Tidbits 09-10!

2 majors and a game suspension in the 3rd with 5 minors in the last minute? Now I wasn't there but do you think maybe those infractions happened because of the score?

sorry. forgot to put the 5 minors in the last minute were in Fridays game, not Saturday. So no the score run up didn't lead to them.

 

[5 4 Fighting]

Re: Little Known Facts and D-III Tidbits 09-10!

One thing for sure you won't be hearing...

"Ladies & Gentlemen your 09/10 coach of the year from RIT...."

 

[Mr. Kitty]

Re: Little Known Facts and D-III Tidbits 09-10!

...so maybe Pots**** should have forfeited the second game?

I WILL complain because I don't think it sets the tone for sportsmanship that should be UPHELD in this sport. It is a dangerous game with lots of potential for mayhem without the physicality, and I think the women should be held to a moral standard of respecting your opponent no matter what -- you can get another soccer video of BYU-New Mexico here otherwise -- that player was provoked each time, but no one defends her because her response was an overreaction -- . If Potsdam can't hold up their end of that bargain, then RIT should. I don't have a problem with RIT running up the score to show their better, but to carry things over and run up a score to that extent just ABSOLUTELY invites long-term resentment and remembrance by the opposing coaches, fans and players and is a nuclear option... not fair, not wise and not what should be taught.

No justification

For that kind of bravado and payback -- stick with WWE

 

[creasemonkey]

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I have to agree with Mr. Kitty. I think 17 goals is excessive in a hockey game. Can you imagine how those girls felt losing that badly. To lose is one thing. To get beat by 17 goals....well to me that's not necessary.

So what are you suppose to do, tell your players to stop playing or change your game because the other team can't handle it? Give me a break... sports is about competition and in competition sometimes you get your butt kicked or your clock cleaned. If they can't take it, they shouldn't be playing collegiate hockey. The answer should be that you get back out on the ice and try harder the next day, and again the next day and the next, until you're not getting your butt kicked by 16 points anymore! I think you show much more disrespect to a team when you don't play your game and you start playing keep away or let's pass the puck a minimum of eight times before you take a shot. I would rather lose by 30 goals than have an opposing team do that - but that's just me...

 

[dontyelldad]

Re: Little Known Facts and D-III Tidbits 09-10!

It would be best if RIT and Potsdam dont meet again this year in hockey- perhaps a few rounds of kick boxing would be more appropriate.

I beg to differ. Looks from the box scores like the kick boxing event has already been held; maybe it's time for them to play some hockey!

 

[spike]

Re: Little Known Facts and D-III Tidbits 09-10!

So what are you suppose to do, tell your players to stop playing or change your game because the other team can't handle it? Give me a break... sports is about competition and in competition sometimes you get your butt kicked or your clock cleaned. If they can't take it, they shouldn't be playing collegiate hockey. The answer should be that you get back out on the ice and try harder the next day, and again the next day and the next, until you're not getting your butt kicked by 16 points anymore! I think you show much more disrespect to a team when you don't play your game and you start playing keep away or let's pass the puck a minimum of eight times before you take a shot. I would rather lose by 30 goals than have an opposing team do that - but that's just me...

I did not see this game but one question I would ask before judging the RIT coach is this: Once the game was clearly out of Potsdam's reach, did RIT continue to roll their top lines, or did the 3rd and 4th line get most of the ice time? I think that every time a 3rd or 4th liner hits the ice they are trying to earn more ice time, and I would have a hard time expecting those girls to hold anything back. If the coach was rolling his scorers, then I would find that dissappointing. I don't care if it's payback for cheap play, the RIT coach should be above that sort of thing.

 

[mar7967]

Re: Little Known Facts and D-III Tidbits 09-10!

I did not see this game but one question I would ask before judging the RIT coach is this: Once the game was clearly out of Potsdam's reach, did RIT continue to roll their top lines, or did the 3rd and 4th line get most of the ice time? I think that every time a 3rd or 4th liner hits the ice they are trying to earn more ice time, and I would have a hard time expecting those girls to hold anything back. If the coach was rolling his scorers, then I would find that dissappointing. I don't care if it's payback for cheap play, the RIT coach should be above that sort of thing.

I am not going to get into this too much, as a lot has already been said in the RIT thread.
http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?t=85882

In the 3rd period, RIT was playing their 3rd and 4th lines a significantly more, and giving the 1st line a break.

 

[5 4 Fighting]

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I am not going to get into this too much, as a lot has already been said in the RIT thread.
http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?t=85882

In the 3rd period, RIT was playing their 3rd and 4th lines a significantly more, and giving the 1st line a break.

Sure seems to be a lot transferring out of there and some listed that don't seem to be playing (Parhar).

Wonder why?

 

[4and20]

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I must admit I do not know much about this RIT Potsdam thing and I did not take the time to check into it. That being said I think it is real fortune it that the Potsdam players are not the kids of the adults that think they deserve what they got and should suck it up and enjoy getting their butts kicked like that. I would guess that the players would rather sneak out the back and not face their parent(s) if the parents had this same additude about their kids losing like that. (let the beating continue until moral improves)

Wouldn't it be far better if these same players had just experienced this earlier in their hockey careers like at 5 or 6 years of age and just quit. Then there wouldn't be enough players to have teams the likes of Potsdam. Or as my close personnel friend slowj pointed out Newmann or Chatman probably would have folded the tent.

Again I understand it is good to be King. But with out the weak who would the strong play and beat up on.

Their was a coach several years back that did not let her teams run up scores on weaker opponents. Oh yea, players transferred, parents complained, and the coach retired after some 8-9 seasons later. The team also won several National titles along the way, womens college hockey continued to grow and get better along the way.

 

[sticksnstones]

Re: Little Known Facts and D-III Tidbits 09-10!

Plattsburgh travels to Potsdam tomorrow. It will be interesting to see how that game score goes......

So what are you suppose to do, tell your players to stop playing or change your game because the other team can't handle it?

I guarantee Plattsburgh will not put up 17 goals on Potsdam. Not because they can't. But because they just won't. In the past, Coach Houle has had chances to put up those kinds of numbers against teams like Chatham (Chatham from past years, not now) and after it got to a certain point where the game was completely out of reach, he would tell his players to stop shooting. They would spend much of the final period passing the puck around the opposing zone. There is definitely a possibility, however, that RIT was a bit angered by Potsdam's rough play the night before and didn't apply the brake, but Houle is a classy coach and doesn't seem to believe in defeating teams by 16 goals.

 

[creasemonkey]

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I guarantee Plattsburgh will not put up 17 goals on Potsdam. Not because they can't. But because they just won't. In the past, Coach Houle has had chances to put up those kinds of numbers against teams like Chatham (Chatham from past years, not now) and after it got to a certain point where the game was completely out of reach, he would tell his players to stop shooting. They would spend much of the final period passing the puck around the opposing zone. There is definitely a possibility, however, that RIT was a bit angered by Potsdam's rough play the night before and didn't apply the brake, but Houle is a classy coach and doesn't seem to believe in defeating teams by 16 goals.

Hahaha, thanks for making my argument so easy. So check the Plattsburgh stats for 2006-2007 when they beat Chatham 12-0. So tell me, at what point does a coach become "not classy" for running up the score? Is it by 8 goals, 10 goals, 12, 15? What is it? I have been an athlete all my life and if an opponent ever just stopped playing their game to avoid hurting our feelings because they were beating up on us too badly I would have been much more demoralized than if they played their game and ran up the score. Teams that have character get better in the face of adversity, they don't throw in the towel. Great coaches are able find the lessons to be learned from these experiences. My daughter, who is a multi-sport athlete feels the same way. Difference in philosophy I guess in how we view athletic competition. But, if you're going to just screw around with the puck with the express purpose of not scoring anymore goals to avoid running up the score, you might as well just pull your goaltender out of the net. Maybe that would be a better display of so called sportsmanship??

 

[sticksnstones]

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If I was on a team getting spanked, I probably would have more of a hard time dealing with a team that stopped being competitive. So I agree in that regard. All I was saying is Plattsburgh probably won't get to 17 because that is the way HE is. Unless of course, Potsdam scores 5 , and also that I think it shows a level of class not to "show up" the other team when said team is getting smoked by 13, 14, etc., especially when said team only has enough players for two lines, and two defensive pairings, like Chatham in the past. Also, I am not saying that the RIT coach isn't classy; like I said before, it is very possible that something was said, or there was a grudge, and coach didn't feel like applying the brake...which, if that was true, I can't say I blame him.

 

[spike]

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Not that I'm overly consumed with statistics, but I'll throw this out there. As long as the NCAA and leagues (not to mention collegehockeystats.net) keep track of scoring, defense and goaltending statistics, then I guess someone must care about them. If I were either of the Potsdam goalies I might be a bit upset if my teammates "mailed it in" during that third period. Those two girls will have goals against and save percentages that will be stained for the rest of the season. On the other hand, perhaps they could have stopped a few more of those shots?

 

[sticksnstones]

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Not that I'm overly consumed with statistics, but I'll throw this out there. As long as the NCAA and leagues (not to mention collegehockeystats.net) keep track of scoring, defense and goaltending statistics, then I guess someone must care about them. If I were either of the Potsdam goalies I might be a bit upset if my teammates "mailed it in" during that third period. Those two girls will have goals against and save percentages that will be stained for the rest of the season. On the other hand, perhaps they could have stopped a few more of those shots?

Agreed. And, I do believe the ugly numbers have much to do with the players in front of the goalie. I've seen Hitchman play a few times, and she's got much better skills than her numbers suggest.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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Agreed. And, I do believe the ugly numbers have much to do with the players in front of the goalie. I've seen Hitchman play a few times, and she's got much better skills than her numbers suggest.

Hitchman was the sole reason why Oswego won and stayed in a few games during her two years at Oswego before transfering to Potsdam.

I havent seen her play since she transfered but she saw A LOT of rubber at Oswego while the Lakers took their licks starting out the program in the 2006-2007 season.

 

[Say What?]

Re: Little Known Facts and D-III Tidbits 09-10!

Just for the fun of it , Say What if we were to compare D-III Women’s hockey to FBS football. The FBS is coming to an end while hockey is really just gearing up. The FBS has its’ power conferences and power teams just as D-III hockey does. And finally, all the prognosticators knew who would be in the hunt for the FBS National Championship before the season began and they were correct. So here are my comparisons in order of conference strength and team strength:

[FONT="Courier New"][U]           FBS           [/U]   [U]       D-III Hockey       [/U]
[U]Conference[/U]   [U]Top 2 Teams[/U]    [U]Conference[/U]   [U]Top 2 Teams[/U]

SEC          Florida        ECAC – W     Plattsburgh
             Alabama                     RIT

ACC          Georgia Tech   NESCAC       Middlebury
             Virginia Tech               Amherst

Big 10       Ohio State     NCHA         River Falls
             Penn State                  Stevens Point

Conf USA     Houston        ECAC – E     Manhattanville
             E Carolina                  Norwich

WAC          Boise State    MIAC         Gustavus
             Fresno State                St Thomas[/FONT]

And unlike the FBS where we have Florida, Alabama and Texas all in the mix for the National Championship in Pasadena, in D-III hockey we just have two, Plattsburgh and Middlebury, for a National Championship in Middlebury.

Have a great Thanksgiving!!!

 

[Say What?]

Re: Little Known Facts and D-III Tidbits 09-10!

Say What? D-III Bracketology version 2, with games played through Tuesday 12/1. Based on conference games to date combined with regional NCAA primary selection criteria, here potentially are the conference automatic entrants:

ECAC-E    Norwich
ECAC-E    Plattsburgh
NESCAC    Middlebury3
NCHA      Lake Forest
MIAC      St. Catherine

Now for the at-large picks I am also using the secondary selection criteria. The new SOS calculation will definitely influence how things work out at the end of the season as it puts a premium on your opponents winning percentage (2/3) over your opponents’ opponents winning percentage (1/3). Although Amherst is ahead of all non-automatics in the east in team by team criteria match-ups and also sits at number 5 on a national basis, RIT gets the first at-large because it has the second strongest SOS of all teams and sits at number 7 nationally in secondary criteria. I will pick the last team with my rose colored NCAA glasses on. You know the one’s with the “$” insignia’s on the temples. The final pick goes to Amherst over River Falls even though Amherst’ current seeding is built basically on three easy wins (I am ignoring the fact they have the weakest SOS of all D-III teams). I will not however bring up the fact that this means only one team has to fly east for the finals! Cu-ching!!! Brackets therefore are as follows.

#7  Amherst        At  #2  RIT
#5  Norwich        At  #4  Plattsburgh

#6  Lake Forest    At  #3  St. Catherine
#1  Middlebury - hosting