What's new
By:
USCHO Fan Forum

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

  • The USCHO Fan Forum has migrated to a new plaform, xenForo. Most of the function of the forum should work in familiar ways. Please note that you can switch between light and dark modes by clicking on the gear icon in the upper right of the main menu bar. We are hoping that this new platform will prove to be faster and more reliable. Please feel free to explore its features.

Latest pairwise rankings

Lost_Husky said:
You could include basketball in that list as well. The only reason they mostly fly under the radar is the quantity of teams they let in. Even when basketball field was 64 teams, there was a lot of controversy as to who was left out because a lot of it was based on what the committee decided to look at that year. No one knows what that criterial was until after the committee maked their picks.

Overall hockey has the clearest/cleanest system. The formula says who is in and out. Everyone by know knows what is important to Pairwise. Beat the teams you should beat, win some of the games you shouldn't, and don't lose too many games. It helps a lot if your conference has a wining OOC record. Be high enough in the Pairwise rankings to outlast the autobids who are outside of the Pairwise top 16. If that doesn't work, win the conference tournament autobid. Which, IMO, is the best/only way to properly assess the change in a team's performance over time. How many teams have played themselves in/out based on their conference tournament performance? This keeps the human factor out of the selection, which as a CCHA fan, I appreciate.

Unless college hockey expands the the field to every team, no matter what criteria/formula is used there will never be a perfect selection formula/criteria. Even then people will complain with games that go to additional OTs and make their team "tired" for the the next game.
Click to expand...

I as a NCHC and Mid-American Conference fan also appreciate the Pairwise system. Not perfect, but if the teams you beat also beat other teams then you get rewarded. That's how it ultimately should be.
 
Speed Kills said:
I'm really not interested in the last 5 years or the last 3 years. No sense living in the past. Let's focus entirely on the CURRENT season in progress.
Click to expand...

OK. GLI:
NCHC Overall 2-0
CCHA Overall 2-2
Big 10 Overall 0-2

And your signature ? None of those "23 national championships" occurred as part of the Big 10 conference. They were as CCHA or WCHA teams. The number is zero. 0.
 
Last edited:
model94 said:
OK. GLI:
NCHC Overall 2-0
CCHA Overall 2-2
Big 10 Overall 0-2

And your signature ? None of those "23 national championships" occurred as part of the Big 10 conference. They were as CCHA or WCHA teams. The number is zero. 0.
Click to expand...

The fact that those teams were in the CCHA or WCHA at the time they won those 23 championships is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is the teams that make up that conference have a greater history than the combined teams of any other conference... AND they're the best conference THIS SEASON.
 
Speed Kills said:
The fact that those teams were in the CCHA or WCHA at the time they won those 23 championships is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is the teams that make up that conference have a greater history than the combined teams of any other conference... AND they're the best conference THIS SEASON.
Click to expand...

Can’t wait to hear the bragging in 2024 about all the rose bowls in the past that actually had two Big 10 teams - and we didn’t even know !
 
model94 said:
And four of the top 6 aren't. We can all chose a convenient cutoff point.
Click to expand...

Why would you choose 6 as your cutoff point? The top 8 are the #1 and #2 seeds in the NCAA Tournament. That's a natural cutoff point. And half those teams are Big Ten teams.
 
Maznblu said:
Why would you choose 6 as your cutoff point? The top 8 are the #1 and #2 seeds in the NCAA Tournament. That's a natural cutoff point. And half those teams are Big Ten teams.
Click to expand...

I chose it for the same reason he chose top 8: to support my random point. Why not top 10? Top 16? Top 25?
 
Speed Kills said:
The fact that those teams were in the CCHA or WCHA at the time they won those 23 championships is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is the teams that make up that conference have a greater history than the combined teams of any other conference... AND they're the best conference THIS SEASON.
Click to expand...

They magically appear this way due to pedd state scheduling tomato cans at home.
if instead of going 10-0-0 against this embarrassing laughable lineup, pedd st lost them, the big ten would currently have 3 teams (goofs-2, umich-8, tOSU-13). nd would be next closest at #21. And instead of on the bubble at 16, sparty would be 25.

see how the big ten, with one decent team in conf play LOOKS strong?
the rest are middle of the pack who would struggle in nchc or even ccha or wcha a couple years ago. (And even the goofs are 1-3-0 ooc away from the mooch
 
Speed Kills said:
The current top 20 includes 6 Big Ten teams and only 2 from the NCHC. That is a fact, not my opinion.

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/pairwise/

Is anybody out there stubborn enough to insist that the NCHC is STILL the best conference?
Click to expand...

You, from 12/1/13:

"Re: Has UND lost in conference realignment?

Losing the Fighting Sioux nickname is going to hurt UND way more than the changing of conferences. They have lost their identity and their mystique. Yeah, they still play in the REA but they are no longer the Sioux. Speaking of the changing of conferences, the NCHC looks to be a less than stellar conference. Outside of SCSU, every other team so far appears to be mediocre at best."

Your takes haven't gotten any better, Sport.
 
Plante26 said:
You, from 12/1/13:

"Re: Has UND lost in conference realignment?

Losing the Fighting Sioux nickname is going to hurt UND way more than the changing of conferences. They have lost their identity and their mystique. Yeah, they still play in the REA but they are no longer the Sioux. Speaking of the changing of conferences, the NCHC looks to be a less than stellar conference. Outside of SCSU, every other team so far appears to be mediocre at best."

Your takes haven't gotten any better, Sport.
Click to expand...

Not only that, the premise of this entire post has basically flipped. Yeah, the B1G still has 6 top-20, but is in danger of having 2 of those miss the NCAA's. The NCHC, meanwhile, has more than doubled the number of top-20 teams, and is looking like they will get a solid 3, possibly the same 4 as the B1G ends up with. I feel like a certain someone mentioned it was too early to gloat...
 
Plante26 said:
You, from 12/1/13:

"Re: Has UND lost in conference realignment?

Losing the Fighting Sioux nickname is going to hurt UND way more than the changing of conferences. They have lost their identity and their mystique. Yeah, they still play in the REA but they are no longer the Sioux. Speaking of the changing of conferences, the NCHC looks to be a less than stellar conference. Outside of SCSU, every other team so far appears to be mediocre at best."

Your takes haven't gotten any better, Sport.
Click to expand...

IDK. I saw Western at GLI. To say they dominated would be an understatement.
 
4 weeks left in several conferences regular seasons, and still this site and collegehockeynews have differing RPI numbers...
Who is right? Stay tuned for selection sunday
 
Numbers said:
4 weeks left in several conferences regular seasons, and still this site and collegehockeynews have differing RPI numbers...
Who is right? Stay tuned for selection sunday
Click to expand...

Collegehockeynews is right. USCHO is basically never right on the pairwise anymore. You can tell from looking at their RPI page and the win percentages don't treat OT games properly
 
sezenack said:
Collegehockeynews is right. USCHO is basically never right on the pairwise anymore. You can tell from looking at their RPI page and the win percentages don't treat OT games properly
Click to expand...

That's not the problem, otherwise there would be more than 11 teams with a "weighted win percentage" discrepancy between the two sites (which of course affects all the rest of the teams). From looking into it a little bit, I believe one of the sites is not handling in season neutral tournament games correctly in terms of which teams were home\road\neutral for those games, as almost all the teams with the discrepancy played in a neutral site tournament. I don't know which is correct and which isn't, but I do know the NCAA links to USCHO's RPI page, which leads me to believe that's what's going to be used.

Another difference in the two is that Stonehill's D-1 games (currently all 1 of them) is counted in USCHO's RPI, and not in CHN's, which gives LIU a 6-15-1 record instead of a 5-15-1 record.
 
jflory81 said:
It appears the tournament discrepancies have been resolved as well.
Click to expand...

And, it appears that both sites are now showing the same numbers all the way through. Who remembers which site had it right? I think that uscho didn't change, but I'm sure about that.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top