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I can't personally confirm it, but I looked it up out of curiosity, and Scheels Arena in Fargo is listed as seating 5000 for hockey. From what I've read, the biggest physical stumbling block for most similar arenas is an NCAA requirement that the site have four equivalent locker rooms, so all the teams can have their own locker room. Very few buildings have that.
 
Bronco said:
It is unfortunate when WMU hosted the regionals in Grand Rapids that the teams in the state were pretty bad. There was only one local team most years, and one without a local team. WMU was quite terrible during that period. If you could get something like the Fargo regional this season with 3 instate teams, then it would work, but the chances of that are very low and honestly not worth bidding.

As for the K-Wings, they draw about 3000-3500 most nights. If they ever get their wet dream of a tax payer funded 5-6k stadium in downtown Kalamazoo it would work for an NCAA regional, but I hate *everything* about their proposals.
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Ugh, they are still pushing that arena. I love downtown K-zoo, but it isn't the most convenient place to get to, unlike the current event center.
 
Bronco said:
Just takes someone with a lot of money... Sigh.

https://wwmt.com/news/local/downtow...southwest-michigan-first-private-funds-public
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Someone got into some 'shrooms or something. This is a terrible idea.

1. Putting WMU hockey, M-BBall, W-Bball, the K-Wings, AND a minor league Bball team in the same space...
2. It's off campus. How many off campus arenas do well, especially when the team isn't doing well?
3. They have a lot of clean-up to do in the area and will have to add a good number of parking spots to handle the 5k-8k capacities they are talkin about
4. There is no good way to get to downtown for out of town visitors
5. Not much hotel space in the area.

Good parts
1. Allegedly privately funded.
2. Looking for NCAA hosting opportunities
 
moose97 said:
Back to OP - ECAC gets the same number of teams in as the B1G. Tell me again about how much better one is over the NCHC other lol
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Yeah, but the B1G got teams #1, #3, #8 & #9 compared to #2, #7, #10 & #25.

But hooray for Cornell knocking out DU, and with WMU also losing, the NCHC only has 1 left and hopefully the Gophers knock them out.
 
FredsDeadFriend said:
Yeah, but the B1G got teams #1, #3, #8 & #9 compared to #2, #7, #10 & #25.

But hooray for Cornell knocking out DU, and with WMU also losing, the NCHC only has 1 left and hopefully the Gophers knock them out.
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And with that we're starting to see how massively overrated the NCHC is. But I'm sure there are STILL some blowhards out there who will continue to insist that it so vastly superior to all other conferences combined.
 
Speed Kills said:
And with that we're starting to see how massively overrated the NCHC is. But I'm sure there are STILL some blowhards out there who will continue to insist that it so vastly superior to all other conferences combined.
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SMH, One point does not make a trend.

There are a lot of games to be played. The statistic may look a lot different after it is all said and done. Maybe HE is the best. ;-)
 
It's pretty dumb to yell about how overrated the NCHC is when Denver won title last year and UMDs run before them. It's a bad year for the NCHC. It's not anymore complicated than that. A singular year.

Having said that, WMU was horrendous yesterday and Denver wasn't much better.
 
Speed Kills said:
And with that we're starting to see how massively overrated the NCHC is. But I'm sure there are STILL some blowhards out there who will continue to insist that it so vastly superior to all other conferences combined.
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Yea. The Montreal Canadians were "massively over rated" in 1980 probably as well.
 
Imagine if a contact to the head penalty had been committed by Minne instead. That game could have looked a whooole lot different. The vaunted Gophs, kings among the royalty of the BI6, appeared to have been nekkid much of last night.
 
Speed Kills said:
And with that we're starting to see how massively overrated the NCHC is. But I'm sure there are STILL some blowhards out there who will continue to insist that it so vastly superior to all other conferences combined.
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????
mookie thought there was only one blowhard who was going on about the b1g being so great?? Who fg was due of course by pedd state doing ooc games at home vs independent teams (which is preferred to them doing young kids in the rape room at tofftrees :-0
 
J.D. said:
It's pretty dumb to yell about how overrated the NCHC is when Denver won title last year and UMDs run before them. It's a bad year for the NCHC. It's not anymore complicated than that. A singular year.

Having said that, WMU was horrendous yesterday and Denver wasn't much better.
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I believe he stated early on that he was talking specifically about this year. I remember him making that clear back in December.

Now from my perspective, I pointed out years back that some B1G teams were simply having down periods but that their merely being B1G programs meant that they would eventually rise back up and that new rivalries would develop or old ones revived and in time the conference would evolve into the best conference in hockey. Now this year's tourney is not over yet, but I've also stated in the past that one team does not a conference make. A conference does not have to win the Title to be the best conference, so this isn't the first year the B1G has had a good year. And keeping track of recruiting seems to indicate that several B1G teams are doing quite well in the recruiting dept, most notably Michigan and Minnesota and those 2 along with Wisconsin are still historically among the Top 5-8 producers of NHL talent with MSU being Top 10 as well. That's unlikely to change anytime soon, while OSU & ND & PSU will rise in those rankings, is my guess.

Now at this moment I'm watching tOSU pummel Harvard, OSU just made it 7-0, lol. Minnesota racked up 9 goals in their game. The Commentators I saw picked Minnesota as their pick to win the Title. At this rate, I wouldn't be shocked if Michigan scored 6-9 goals as well and who knows, maybe PSU can pull off an upset as well?


Is Denver or UMD or UND going to suck going forward? I doubt it, nor will SCSU who could possibly win the title still this season. But it'll be programs like CC, Miami, WMU & Omaha, all of whom have basically sucked for the vast majority of their existences, along with the 2 giants and the 2 new powers having their down years that will keep the NCHC from ever becoming the all-time best hockey conference. It would be good for college hockey if those 4 could rise up like UMD & SCSU have, but they won't. Best you can hope for is that they have the occasional good seasons like they have had recently going forward. But unlike how some of you NCHC fans have assumed, those programs having some good seasons early on in the NCHC's existence does NOT mean that the NCHC's supposed mojo magically turned them into legit consistent powers to be annually feared going forward, lol. UMD & SCSU have had the advantage of being located in the hotbed of high school hockey and were able to take advantage of UMn's taking a break from dominating to establish themselves. The breakup of the old WCHA also helped those 2 and Mankato as well, as I predicted it would even before it happened.

NCHC fans better hope UW screws up their coaching search/hire and don't rise back up. B1G still needs to expand some.
 
BC/HE said:
As far as first round matchups go, I don't think the committtee could have done anything differently having been confined by first round matchups due to B1G and ECAC conflicts. The only possible question would be the location of the 7Harvard/9OSU and 6St. Cloud/11MSU games. As to whether one or the other matchup produces a stronger opponent for the 1 seeds is very debatable. First they have to get by their own opponents. Minnesota easily got the most desirable opponent but in it they play one of the best goalies so if Canisius can somehow steal a goal they do have a chance. Quinnipiac will have their hands full with Merrimack in what may be a 0-0 OT game. Bridgeport got 3 of the 4 New England schools which is essentially the same as Fargo getting the 3 Minnesota schools. Attendance probably would not have suffered if it was a switch but saying that St. Cloud is better than Harvard is very questionable and may likely be untrue but the difference between Ohio State and Minnesota State is likely greater. Harvard has 3 players with higher PPG than the first SCSU player and their goaltender has a better GAA and Save Percentage than SCSU. So those wishing for a different combination may want to reconsider their gripes.
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Remember when you said this...amazing what high PPG and low GAA gets you when you beat up on ECAC hockey teams.
 
As I said before either the PWR numbers matter or they don't. I don't particularly care that SCSU only barely finished ahead of Harvard. The fact of the matter is they did. And they won their conference tournament in the process playing very good hockey. As we can see with Harvard, they gagged against Colgate and are getting embarrassed today. They should have been with Minnesota in Fargo. The numbers allowed for it and you could even back it up with a "human" evaluation. Hell, they probably would have lost their first game regardless of opponent but still.
 
Of course the PWR has flaws. So does what we can now call the CHN Power Ratings (previously known as KRACH). However, had the committee been using KRACH, the broacket would likely have been something like:
Minn v Canisius, Mankato v Ohio State.....
Den v Notre Dame, BU v WMU (Manchester)
Quinn v Mich State, SCSU v Harvard
Mich v Colgate, Penn State v Mich Tech.

Not much different from what we got, except 6 B10 teams. And, Cornell and Merrimack out. Is there anyone who would call Harvard's resume worse than Cornell's? And yet, Cornell shut down Denver, and Harvard is getting smoked.

Hockey is just a different breed than basketball.
 
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