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L V C Hockey Program Is Over

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GreatLakerMohawk said:
Also lost in that 1998 D-I callup: UConn, Sacred Heart, Quinnipiac, AIC, Iona, Fairfield, Holy Cross. Iona and Fairfield I'm not sure about if they were playing D-III or not, but the others I know were there.
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But let's not forget the original intent of ballgame's statement -- that the NCAA is losing hockey programs and not adding any.

None of those programs (well, okay Iona and Fairfield finally gave up) went away. They simply changed divisions.

I stand by what Webb initially said -- we're still in the black.
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
I stand by what Webb initially said -- we're still in the black.
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If you go with Webb's cutoff date, sure, DIII is probably in the black. However, what about Binghamton? St. Bonaventure? Univ. Buffalo?

Being in the red or black all depends on what date you pick as the cutoff.
 
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Scott Biggar said:
If you go with Webb's cutoff date, sure, DIII is probably in the black. However, what about Binghamton? St. Bonaventure? Univ. Buffalo?

Being in the red or black all depends on what date you pick as the cutoff.
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Was Union playing D-I back when they were playing a lot of D-III schools?
 
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Scott Biggar said:
If you go with Webb's cutoff date, sure, DIII is probably in the black. However, what about Binghamton? St. Bonaventure? Univ. Buffalo?

Being in the red or black all depends on what date you pick as the cutoff.
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Since Binghamton and UB left, SUNYAC added Fredonia, Buffalo State and Morrisville.

Both sides of the ledger have to be looked at for whatever date you want to pick.
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
Was Union playing D-I back when they were playing a lot of D-III schools?
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Union used to be a DIII hockey program. For a very long time. Once even belonged to NESCAC.

Then, they went DI when the ECAC invited them when there was an open spot. The school is still a DIII institution, and they have a self imposed no scholarship policy for their hockey program.
 
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I just mentioned this in the tourney speculation thread, but it's worth bringing up here as well.

Not to rain on anyone's parade. But this just occurred to me.

With LVC dropping their hockey program, this lowers the total number of D-III hockey teams to 71.

As we know, the ratio the NCAA uses to determine tournament size for D-III is 6.5:1.

71/6.5 = A 10 team NCAA Tournament.

Let's just hope no one in Indianapolis notices.
 
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Let's just pretend that this didn't happen and that playing LVC was like getting a bye week in the first place anyhow.

0-50-0 the last two seasons. Winless since November 2007. Yikes.
 
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Matt Rennell said:
I just mentioned this in the tourney speculation thread, but it's worth bringing up here as well.

Not to rain on anyone's parade. But this just occurred to me.

With LVC dropping their hockey program, this lowers the total number of D-III hockey teams to 71.

As we know, the ratio the NCAA uses to determine tournament size for D-III is 6.5:1.

71/6.5 = A 10 team NCAA Tournament.

Let's just hope no one in Indianapolis notices.
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6.5*11 = 71.5 we went to 11 teams last year when there were only 71 teams (UNE joined this year), so I'm assuming (hoping) they will "give us" the extra half a team. That thought crossed my mind, too.
 
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NUProf said:
They were playing DIII, but were/are in fact DI schools. They went DI because the NCAA told them to. That's what led to the formation of the MAAC hockey league - currently known as Atlantic Hockey - which is odd since the last I looked, the Air Force Academy isn't on the Atlantic Seaboard.
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Yes, but my understanding is that air travel is not a problem for the AFA. :D
 
Re: L V C Hockey Program Is Over

Matt Rennell said:
I just mentioned this in the tourney speculation thread, but it's worth bringing up here as well.

Not to rain on anyone's parade. But this just occurred to me.

With LVC dropping their hockey program, this lowers the total number of D-III hockey teams to 71.

As we know, the ratio the NCAA uses to determine tournament size for D-III is 6.5:1.

71/6.5 = A 10 team NCAA Tournament.

Let's just hope no one in Indianapolis notices.
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I think you always round up. 71/6.5 = 10.9 which if they follow the same thit as redshirting equals 11. But, this is the NCAA and rules, what rules?
 
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ICEKING said:
A MAN IS AS GOOD AS HIS WORD!! READ PRESIDENT MACDONALD'S LETTER FROM 3 YRS AGO!!!!


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The recipients of this e-mail know that at the conclusion of the current ice hockey season I commissioned a task force consisting of Vice President for Administration, Bob Hamilton, Vice President for Enrollment, Bill Brown, and Director of Athletics, Kathy Tierney, to conduct a thoroughgoing analysis of the sustainability and prospects for success of our ice hockey program. I received the report of the task force yesterday and discussed it in detail with the task force members.

Informed by this report, I have concluded that Lebanon Valley College should continue to play intercollegiate hockey. Ice hockey is here to stay.

In its brief history at the College, it is clear that ice hockey has become n important part of our intercollegiate sports program. It has drawn good students to the College, and these young men have enjoyed valuable academic and athletic experiences here. Our alumni who played varsity hockey for the Valley exhibit a fierce loyalty to the team and to the College.

So we will continue to offer student athletes the opportunity to play hockey here, and we will honor the traditions established by the program's past accomplishments. We will place at the disposal of the hockey program the material and human resources it needs to play successfully in the highly competitive ECAC West.

I have just met with the members of the current hockey team and have given them this good news. They were relieved. I told them that I am committing myself personally to the hockey program. I asked them to stay with us and to commit themselves as well.

I want to thank all of you who wrote for taking the time to express your views. A number of you indicated your readiness to assist the hockey program in various ways. I appreciate your offer: we will be in touch to consider how this might be done.

Stephen MacDonald
President
Lebanon Val
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Well they're still going to fund an intercollegiate team, just at the club level. If there is a problem it was they never recruited for their league, but seemed to continue to recruit players that would make them a good ECAC-NE team.

I would be curious what the rent is at Hershey Park vs. Twin Ponds East. If they can get their own locker room and become prime tenent @ TPE, it may work financially for them. Use the GIANT Center or HPA for the Penn State games.
 
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joecct said:
I think you always round up. 71/6.5 = 10.9 which if they follow the same thit as redshirting equals 11. But, this is the NCAA and rules, what rules?
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NCAA rounds down. But in this case they did the calculation by determining how many teams are needed for 11 teams in the tournament, and they calculated 11*6.5 = 71.5 and rounded that down to 71. When Westfield State came in last year we went to 71 teams and an 11 team field. This year we have 72, next year 71. Don't lose any more teams or we will be back to 10 teams, and only 2 Pool C slots.
 
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joecct said:
Well they're still going to fund an intercollegiate team, just at the club level. If there is a problem it was they never recruited for their league, but seemed to continue to recruit players that would make them a good ECAC-NE team.

I would be curious what the rent is at Hershey Park vs. Twin Ponds East. If they can get their own locker room and become prime tenent @ TPE, it may work financially for them. Use the GIANT Center or HPA for the Penn State games.[/QUOT

Ignorant response...you have no clue. The recruits were just fine. Please don't respond without knowing what you are talking about.
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ICEKING said:
joecct said:
Well they're still going to fund an intercollegiate team, just at the club level. If there is a problem it was they never recruited for their league, but seemed to continue to recruit players that would make them a good ECAC-NE team.

I would be curious what the rent is at Hershey Park vs. Twin Ponds East. If they can get their own locker room and become prime tenent @ TPE, it may work financially for them. Use the GIANT Center or HPA for the Penn State games.[/QUOT

Ignorant response...you have no clue. The recruits were just fine. Please don't respond without knowing what you are talking about.
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umm no, joecct is right, they're still funding an intercollegiate team, just at a different level.

Also TPE is already so crowded and also pretty far away, http://www.klicklewisarena.com/index.html Klick Lewis Arena is much closer (i've never been there though- does anyone know the seating capacity though
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ICEKING said:
joecct said:
Well they're still going to fund an intercollegiate team, just at the club level. If there is a problem it was they never recruited for their league, but seemed to continue to recruit players that would make them a good ECAC-NE team.

I would be curious what the rent is at Hershey Park vs. Twin Ponds East. If they can get their own locker room and become prime tenent @ TPE, it may work financially for them. Use the GIANT Center or HPA for the Penn State games.[/QUOT

Ignorant response...you have no clue. The recruits were just fine. Please don't respond without knowing what you are talking about.
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IK

A bunch come from the MD/VA/DC area and I've seen them play. Nice kids, but not up to ECAC-W standards.
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ICEKING said:
Ignorant response...you have no clue. The recruits were just fine. Please don't respond without knowing what you are talking about.
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How is that possible? Not a challenge (I haven't seen LVC play in years), just honestly curious as to what else went wrong. Fifty straight losses is almost irrefutable evidence that recruiting was an issue. No coach has ever been so bad, nor institutional support so lacking, as to cause a team to lose fifty games in a row. Having seen this team succeed back when it played in the ECAC Northeast, it seemed to me that the primary change that would be needed to make the jump to the ECAC West was improved recruiting. Was that wrong?
 
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I just read through the entire thread now -- this sucks for the players. This doesn't appear to be a decision the LVC administration had to make, but a decision it chose to make. Chose to cut a program rather than strive to make it better, that's disappointing from any college
 
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