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L V C Hockey Program Is Over

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once again another blow to the ECAC West. tough for the players
remaining, hope they can have something good come out of this.

as for the remaining teams and scheduling, trying to join forces
with ECAC East will be hard to say the least. The East will continue
with their late start date schedule forcing West teams to abide by
these dates. Unless the West agrees, even the Top Brass in ECAC
won't push for togetherness.
SUNYAC is only a partial hope, Plattsburgh will not give up its
easy travel games with the NESCAC and East school to play
the Hobart's, Elmira's, Utica's and Neumann's, too far and expensive
with Skidmore,Wms, Midd, Norwich just short drives away.
They hold a key of sorts to the rest of the league.
Skidmore will have to move over but they think they are NESCAC
already
However it is, it is a huge mess!
 
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DIIIFan said:
The ECAC West has had their answer in their backyards for years. It is Hamilton. Location wise it makes more sense for Hamilton to play in the ECAC West. It would also give Elmira/Utica/Hobart a travel partner. If the ECAC West was able to get Skidmore to their league would it not give them an automatic qualifier at some point in time??
Oswego '89
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Hamilton is a NESCAC member. They are not leaving. That's like saying Cornell should leave the Ivy League to join the Big East just because they are near Syracuse.
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
Hamilton is a NESCAC member. They are not leaving. That's like saying Cornell should leave the Ivy League to join the Big East just because they are near Syracuse.
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I just found out that Hamilton's basketball (M&W), soccer (M&W), and lacrosse (M&W) (as well as field hockey and track and field) teams compete in the Liberty League while all their other sports compete in NESCAC.

I'm surprised some of those "major" sports don't stick with NESCAC (especially since I know basketball used to be in the NESCAC because they were once undefeated but could not compete for the national championship back in the early 90s).

Perhaps Hamilton is not as committed to the NESCAC as originally thought.
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
I just found out that Hamilton's basketball (M&W), soccer (M&W), and lacrosse (M&W) (as well as field hockey and track and field) teams compete in the Liberty League while all their other sports compete in NESCAC.

I'm surprised some of those "major" sports don't stick with NESCAC (especially since I know basketball used to be in the NESCAC because they were once undefeated but could not compete for the national championship back in the early 90s).

Perhaps Hamilton is not as committed to the NESCAC as originally thought.
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Actually, earlier this year Hamilton announced that they would be moving to the NESCAC for all of its athletic programs. I believe that begins with the 2011-12 academic year.

There is no chance that they are leaving the NESCAC... ever.
 
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Pioneerfan11 said:
Actually, earlier this year Hamilton announced that they would be moving to the NESCAC for all of its athletic programs. I believe that begins with the 2011-12 academic year.

There is no chance that they are leaving the NESCAC... ever.
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Okay, then, I'm back to my original premise, which you state in your last line.
 
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Pioneerfan11 said:
Actually, earlier this year Hamilton announced that they would be moving to the NESCAC for all of its athletic programs. I believe that begins with the 2011-12 academic year.

There is no chance that they are leaving the NESCAC... ever.
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Sorry, just had to stop by and ask this again. :D
 
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“But the way they dealt with things, the message that they sent to the 
student body, is questionable in my eyes. That is something that has hurt me deeply. 
The school couldn’t make it any more evident that they never wanted hockey here, 
even going back as far as when LVC was a dominant force in the ECAC Northeast.
No one ever liked the hockey program here.”
 
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Any chance the SUNY Morrisville and/or SUNY Canton (and perhaps SUNYIT-Utica, should they start hockey) be interested in ECAC-West as they are not members of the SUNYAC in other sports?
 
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UCBadger said:
Any chance the SUNY Morrisville and/or SUNY Canton (and perhaps SUNYIT-Utica, should they start hockey) be interested in ECAC-West as they are not members of the SUNYAC in other sports?
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Canton is NAIA, the NCAA isn't looking for new DIII members. In fact, it appears the only NCAA division that is open to new members is DII.
 
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UCBadger said:
Any chance the SUNY Morrisville and/or SUNY Canton (and perhaps SUNYIT-Utica, should they start hockey) be interested in ECAC-West as they are not members of the SUNYAC in other sports?
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If the SUNYAC changed their position on allowing an exception for 1-sport Morrisville, that might be a possibility. Unless that happens, I think Morrisville is content with the SUNYAC now that they have found playoff success. :cool:
 
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NUProf said:
Canton is NAIA, the NCAA isn't looking for new DIII members. In fact, it appears the only NCAA division that is open to new members is DII.
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Yes......true.......but do you expect that to continue forever? (Canton is NAIA because they had no other option based on the timing of them going from a 2 year school to a 4 year school)
 
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This news makes me both sad and angry. Sad because I have many fond memories of the hockey team and games. I was there at a time when LVC was quite successful. They had a high caliber team and players, and were even nationally ranked. At that time, even though they still competed in the Northeast, they would have been a successful team in the West. It's sad to see such a promising start to a program take such a downward fall and now be terminated.

I'm angry at the administration. They lied to the current team and to the alumni about their level of commitment to the hockey program. President MacDonald has never supported the program. While many of us are mourning the loss of the program, I would not be surprised if he was celebrating finally getting rid of it.
 
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LVCAlum said:
This news makes me both sad and angry. Sad because I have many fond memories of the hockey team and games. I was there at a time when LVC was quite successful. They had a high caliber team and players, and were even nationally ranked. At that time, even though they still competed in the Northeast, they would have been a successful team in the West. It's sad to see such a promising start to a program take such a downward fall and now be terminated.

I'm angry at the administration. They lied to the current team and to the alumni about their level of commitment to the hockey program. President MacDonald has never supported the program. While many of us are mourning the loss of the program, I would not be surprised if he was celebrating finally getting rid of it.
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I wonder if someone could find Brian Ying-Ling.

He was the face of that program and was an All-American during his time there. Having him comeback or ever write a letter or something may go a long way in trying to save the team.
 
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in response to Mac Donald celebrating???
OF COURSE HE IS!!!!
DOES ANYONE THINK HE'S THIS STUPID??? HE KNEW THE REMAINING TEAM WOULD BOLT...AND THUS, WHEN THE NEW SEASON BEGINS , HE CAN SAY...."GEE WE HAVE NO PLAYERS FOR OUR CLUB TEAM..THUS WE'LL HAVE TO CANCEL ALL HOCKEY" "AWWW I'M SO SORRY...I DID ALL I COULD"
Here's another point..
When Coach MacCormack left...the search for a Head Coach expanded as far as the school grounds..They hired an employee's husband ..(Ted Russell).

When they decided to bring in Lacrosse..they searched nation wide and paid BIG money for a nationally known Coach ( John Haus) . Take a look at this guys resume'!!!!!

Hmmm..
I ask President MacDonald to come out of hiding..and once..just once ..be a man and state the truth to the dedicated MEN you have decieved.
 
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UCBadger said:
Yes......true.......but do you expect that to continue forever? (Canton is NAIA because they had no other option based on the timing of them going from a 2 year school to a 4 year school)
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Don't forget this is the NCAA we are discussing. A world in which the logical and sensible take a back seat to weird and incomprehensible.

In addition there is a 3-4 year period in which a team is not eligible. The fact is that MoVille just got clear of that restriction this year (after 3 years). If Canton were to go to the ECAC W, it wouldn't help the league for at least 3 years from the time they got in.
 
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ACHA D-1 teams (I'm hoping LVC goes ACHA-1) have a decent run of success when playing ECAC-NE schools. Coincidentally, LVC's best years as a D-III school were when they played in the NE.

What I'm driving at is LVC may have found their niche. If they can schedule Penn State, Delaware, WVU and a couple of other top end ACHA-1 schools, they would have competitive schedule equal to playing at the same level as the NE.

A Penn State - LVC game @ Hershey may fill the barn, provided the team is decent and reaches out to the community. In that neck of the woods, Penn State has a LOT more name recognition than Elmira, so it may work.

The other thing to consider for the underclassmen is what program could they go to?
 
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Makes lots more sense going ACHA for them.

What does this mean for the ECACW now?
 
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