Im sick of the BTHC fearmongering

[Gurtholfin]

Re: Im sick of the BTHC fearmongering

I hate to agree with Mavs fan, but he's right. And while I think all teams will miss UW and MN to some extent, specially losing MN will hurt the Minnesota schools. Not only do more people show up at SCSU, tUMD, MSUM and BSU games when the Gophers are in town, I swear some people just show up at other less-attended games now and then so they'll know the players' names they wanna cheer to kill the Gophers. The BTHC may weed out some of the less popular fans at the other Minnesota schools a bit, but the institution will miss their $.

The good part is that all the lesser Minny schools/programs (sans UMD of course) can still have their huge inferiority complexes towards Marsha. They get to keep that even after they go to a D-2 equivalent.

Better yet, it will be even more impotent as it will take them 2-3 years to get that 1 win out of 4 that they hang their hat (or banner) on.

Have a nice weekend!

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

Re: Im sick of the BTHC fearmongering

It's too bad that you can't have a WCHA or CCHA with all six B1G teams in that conference and then a few more, and have a separate championship determinant, similar to how the Ivy League works within the ECAC.

That was a pie-in-the-sky dream when PSU first announced that they were starting a team: the Nittany Lions would join the CCHA, and some sort of Ivy League-esque arrangment would happen. Granted, that has the added wrinkle of requiring the B1G teams to use up a lot of non-conference games to make it happen, but it was a somewhat feasible solution.

 

[RinkPig]

Re: Im sick of the BTHC fearmongering

The good part is that all the lesser Minny schools/programs (sans UMD of course) can still have their huge inferiority complexes towards Marsha. They get to keep that even after they go to a D-2 equivalent.

Better yet, it will be even more impotent as it will take them 2-3 years to get that 1 win out of 4 that they hang their hat (or banner) on.

Have a nice weekend!

Kind of like the inferiority complex you had with Chuckie Cheese...I think it's funny that you kick him to the curb and then proceed to shut down the website...If you didn't want it anymore why didn't you just let him have it? Marhsa, Marsha, Marsha.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

Re: Im sick of the BTHC fearmongering

Kind of like the inferiority complex you had with Chuckie Cheese...I think it's funny that you kick him to the curb and then proceed to shut down the website...If you didn't want it anymore why didn't you just let him have it? Marhsa, Marsha, Marsha.

It's amazing how frequently it is appropriate for me to pull this one out:

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Not only were you wrong in everything you typed, you didn't even say it to someone who was in any way involved in that situation. You get... NOTHING!!!

 

[MavsFan]

Wow, I wonder how that makes UND, DU, UMD, SCSU, CC feel. I guess the WCHA won't be big time anymore. Who knew.

For most of the casual hockey fans in town, those are (with the obvious exception of the Colorado schools which are pretty much unknown other than in hockey) they're the same schools we play D-II sports against. Yeah, UND is D-I now, but I'll bet most casual Mankato fans don't know that; we played them for decades in D-II. It becomes the Northern Sun Hockey Conference in their minds.

 

[Osorojo]

Re: Im sick of the BTHC fearmongering

How much does Yale spend on Men's Ice versus NoDak?

Not one dime. Yale does not schedule NoDak, but NoDak really wishes they did.

Yale tuition is $32,500. NoDak tuition is $6,934 for residents, $16,373 for non residents. Scholarships for various applicant's talents defray tuition costs at both universities. How much of these tuition costs or scholarships subsidize the hockey program at either university I have no idea, nor do you. How much the men's hockey program at either university subsidizes their academic mission I have no idea, nor do you, but I can guess, and give long odds.

This contrived comparison of the hypothetical costs, presumably versus benefits, of two very different universities ignores the fact that a tiny portion of Yale's reputation is based upon her hockey team, whereas much of the reputation of NoDak seems to rely upon her men's hockey team. A prudent supporter of N.D.U. could find more credible things to brag about, including the cost of a good education.

"There must be a million trees around here. Where is that forest everyone keeps bragging about?" - Captain Peter "Wrong Way" Peachfuzz.

 

[SCSU Euro]

Re: Im sick of the BTHC fearmongering

The good part is that all the lesser Minny schools/programs (sans UMD of course) can still have their huge inferiority complexes towards Marsha. They get to keep that even after they go to a D-2 equivalent.

Better yet, it will be even more impotent as it will take them 2-3 years to get that 1 win out of 4 that they hang their hat (or banner) on.

Have a nice weekend!

In the words of Inigo Montoya, "I do not think it means what you think it means."

 

[Big Papa]

Re: Im sick of the BTHC fearmongering

Like I said before Big ten hockey will be awesome!

 

[giwan]

Re: Im sick of the BTHC fearmongering

Like I said before Big ten hockey will be awesome!

EH, sometimes it will sometimes it won't

 

[Tipsy McStagger]

The good part is that all the lesser Minny schools/programs (sans UMD of course) can still have their huge inferiority complexes towards Marsha. They get to keep that even after they go to a D-2 equivalent.

Better yet, it will be even more impotent as it will take them 2-3 years to get that 1 win out of 4 that they hang their hat (or banner) on.

Have a nice weekend!

Could be worse. We could form our own conference with inferior competition.

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: Im sick of the BTHC fearmongering

In the words of Inigo Montoya, "I do not think it means what you think it means."

Re: Impotent

According to dictionary dot com...

–adjective
1.
not potent; lacking power or ability.
2.
utterly unable (to do something).
3.
without force or effectiveness.
4.
unable to achieve an erection


Sounds like SCSU hockey to me.

 

[kdiff77]

Re: Im sick of the BTHC fearmongering

Easy on the Ivy league. Most of their "multi-billion dollar endowment" is tied up in academic education rather than men's ice hockey, unlike North Dakota or Penn State. Could it be that smaller college hockey schools are disappearing due to the increased cost of recruiting (scholarships) and paying (salaries and benefits) college hockey players? Yup.

"Easy on the Ivy League?"

I've had season tickets to Brown games for 20 years...it's not like I'm some ignorant 3rd-party observer who assumes all of Brown $2+ billion endowment goes to sports. Certainly, especially since Ruth Simmons took over, most of the concentration has been on academics. But, if push came to shove, Brown would have the money to bail out its hockey program. Other, smaller schools? Not so much.

Coincidentally, Brown is looking to cut several of its sports (wrestling, fencing, skiing) because of its lack of athletic funding. However, if the hockey, football, or basketball programs were ever in doubt, the administration would immediately intervene to save them. They know too many alumni are emotionally and financially invested in the school because of these teams, so (and this is my overall point about Ivy League teams) if it ever looked like the team would not be able to continue due to financial constraints, the administration would provide the money necessary to keep it afloat. Again, this cannot happen at smaller schools, because they simply don't have the money.

 

[kdiff77]

Re: Im sick of the BTHC fearmongering

It's too bad that you can't have a WCHA or CCHA with all six B1G teams in that conference and then a few more, and have a separate championship determinant, similar to how the Ivy League works within the ECAC.

I personally LOVE the Ivy-within-the-ECAC thing we have. It works brilliantly. I do wonder what would happen if Penn and Columbia were to ever add teams though. I would hope we'd be able to remain part of the ECAC, though perhaps they would split it up into two divisions and add two more teams for the non-Ivy division. Fortunately, it doesn't look like either of those schools, especially Columbia, will ever add a hockey team. So it's a moot point.

 

[Big Papa]

Re: Im sick of the BTHC fearmongering

Still won't be as good as Big ten Hockey!

 

[MavsFan]

Re: Im sick of the BTHC fearmongering

Still won't be as good as Big ten Hockey!

How many more times are you going to troll this thread? I get it; Big Ten fans love Big Ten hockey, and the schools that will end up eliminating hockey because of it aren't your problem.

 

[gophfan]

Re: Im sick of the BTHC fearmongering

How many more times are you going to troll this thread? I get it; Big Ten fans love Big Ten hockey, and the schools that will end up eliminating hockey because of it aren't your problem.

Why would those schools fold there hockey programs when the big ten starts? Again if adding one school can potentionally lead to a mass exodus of programs then there something wrong with college hockey .

 

[The Rube]

Re: Im sick of the BTHC fearmongering

Why would those schools fold there hockey programs when the big ten starts? Again if adding one school can potentionally lead to a mass exodus of programs then there something wrong with college hockey .

Because it will be a gradual, slow, decline. It's not like 10 programs will fall right away. It will erode, like rocks on a beach. Smaller schools that need those bigger schools will survive for a while, then, as time goes on, that extra money that they can count on every year adds up, those schools will most likely look at what is feasible financially, and hockey (due to popularity and cost of a program) will be one of the sports on the chopping block.

Established schools, no matter how small/terrible (think MTU or DU or UND) really don't have much to worry about. All three of those schools either have money, tradition, or both to survive quite a long time. Schools like BSU, WMU, LSSU, and/or even MSU-M have something to worry about. Addition by subraction.

Side note: you think the WCHA F5 will still be permanently in St Paul? Hah! This year's attendance, while still the largest conference tourney I believe, is a sign of the upcoming times. And I know many MN fans (and some WI fans) that won't bother to make the trip, MAYBE even if it's in St Paul, since it won't be "our" conference anymore. And those same fans most likely won't travel to wherever the B1G Ten tourney is (you think MI is gonna allow the conference tourney to always be in St Paul? HAH!).

 

[Patman]

Re: Im sick of the BTHC fearmongering

Why would those schools fold there hockey programs when the big ten starts? Again if adding one school can potentionally lead to a mass exodus of programs then there something wrong with college hockey .

You and I know it has nothing to do with the school and a lot more about the conference. Sorry if you don't want your school being the "bad guy" but you know what... its going to happen so deal with it. Financials are going to do what they're going to do... this is going to be a fairly big disruption.

You may be sick of the "fearmongering"... but you know what, its all true. Loss of financials will put these programs at risk. Loss of prestige will put these programs at risk... etc. The inability of these schools to use other schools to advertise will put the institutional prestige at risk. Dumb? Maybe. Fair? Who knows. Reality? Yes, these things will happen... they will have a worse financial balance, it will harm prestige, it will reduce attention.

You don't really expect the post-Big10 WCHA or CCHA to outshine the Big10 do you?

 

[Huskiefan906]

Re: Im sick of the BTHC fearmongering

I'm wondering how the BIG conference will impact the number of BIG teams in the NCAA tournament each year.

With only 6 teams, you can expect at least 2 of those teams to have abysmal records during the 20 game conference schedule.

In most years if 1 shines above all others, that leaves more losses spread amongst the #2,3,4 teams in that conference.

Obviously, there will the the SOS factor for the BIG, but Hockey East remains intact and their Eastern recruits will not tend towards the BIG, and hopefully you can expect the same from UND, Denver, Miami each year.

Could the new conference actually limit the number of their teams in the tournament at the end of the year?

 

[Patman]

Re: Im sick of the BTHC fearmongering

Could the new conference actually limit the number of their teams in the tournament at the end of the year?

By bylaw? Why would they? In practical sense...

I believe Priceless ran some figures at some point... Pairwise, since its RPI dependent, is strength of schedule intensive... this is why the WCHA usually places 4-6 bids. So, in that sense, I don't believe the BIG12 will be limited in any realistic way from placing 4+ teams so long as they don't schedule each other too often. If they retain their current nominal (and anticipated) strengths then most of the league will still be regular visitors to the NCAAs. If anything... a 20 game schedule will probably enhance the chances for the BIG12 schools given the same relative strength of play.

When you're dealing with at-large bids I believe SOS and league SOS are the main drivers... we will have to see what happens. I would point out that the effect you may be alluding to, IMO, does occur in Big East basketball... IIRC they placed 11 in the field for the first time this year, but people thought that'd happen on a regular basis... what happens in leagues that size, however, is that, yes, some good teams will get a dreadful record just because somebody has to lose those games and some attendant luck. But, basketball has different decision criteria and optics than hockey.