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Illegal Immigration Pt. III: It's Illegal to be Illegal? Really?

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walrus said:
Why would Kyl lie about this?
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How about simple political revenge?

From Wikipedia:

In September 2006, working with then-Congressman Jim Leach, Jon Kyl was a major Senate supporter of Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006. The Act was passed at midnight the day Congress adjourned before the 2006 elections. Prior to it being added to the bill, the gambling provisions had not been debated by any Congressional committee, although the general issue had been debated in multiple times in the past. When the Obama administration delayed publication of the associated regulations until June 2010, Kyl responded by denying unanimous consent to confirm the appointment of 6 nominees to the US Treasury Department, none of whom specialized on gambling issues.
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Re: Illegal Immigration Pt. III: It's Illegal to be Illegal? Really?

walrus said:
Why would Kyl lie about this? I can see where Obama would, for the reasons Kyl said. Would Kyl do it just to take a ounce of flesh? Their certainly is a chance of that
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Well it would resonate with a rather vocal segment of the population who haven't really been part of the news lately but they think Obama needs to keep the government out of their medicare.
 
Re: Illegal Immigration Pt. III: It's Illegal to be Illegal? Really?

Bakunin said:
First of all, the company involved in that disaster is BP - British Petroleum.

Secondly, I *think* that was the first major oil spill from a drilling rig in something like 40 years (tankers have a much worse safety record, and if the left gets its way and we stop offshore drilling completely, we'll be relying heavily on tankers to import oil).
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The US gave them the rights to drill there. It rests in their lap.

No reason for a tanker ever to fail either. Unless the billion dollar companies are too cheap to build a ship that won't rupture.
 
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walrus said:
Why would Kyl lie about this? I can see where Obama would, for the reasons Kyl said. Would Kyl do it just to take a ounce of flesh? Their certainly is a chance of that
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I don't know who, if anyone, lied. Therefore, first I wouldn't automatically believe anything any one person said if it contradicted what someone else said...and second I wouldn't post it as though it was the only possible truth. But that's me.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
The US gave them the rights to drill there. It rests in their lap.

No reason for a tanker ever to fail either. Unless the billion dollar companies are too cheap to build a ship that won't rupture.
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Accidents happen. Anytime people are in charge of something, you have to deal with the element of human error. Every company but one could be doing things exactly right and have great oversight. It wouldn't stop that one bad company from cutting corners, having an oil spill, and ruining a quadrant of the ocean for a decade. About all we can do is have a sound regulatory structure in place and properly punish whoever screws up / is negligent.

I'm very concerned that Obama managed to get a company to create a $20 billion dollar account under the authority of someone chosen by him. That's a recipe for massive abuse of power. While the creation of the fund is fine, I think it should be managed by the courts as the victims of this disaster file claims and / or lawsuits. The last thing we need is yet another bureaucrat d-bag with excessive power and more money than s/he knows how to spend.
 
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5mn_Major said:
I don't know who, if anyone, lied. Therefore, first I wouldn't automatically believe anything any one person said if it contradicted what someone else said...and second I wouldn't post it as though it was the only possible truth. But that's me.
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That's because you're not sufficiently concerned about The Socialism!!!!!11!1

If people like you had been around during the American Revolution, we'd be speaking English today.
 
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Bakunin said:
Accidents happen. Anytime people are in charge of something, you have to deal with the element of human error. Every company but one could be doing things exactly right and have great oversight. It wouldn't stop that one bad company from cutting corners, having an oil spill, and ruining a quadrant of the ocean for a decade. About all we can do is have a sound regulatory structure in place and properly punish whoever screws up / is negligent.

I'm very concerned that Obama managed to get a company to create a $20 billion dollar account under the authority of someone chosen by him. That's a recipe for massive abuse of power. While the creation of the fund is fine, I think it should be managed by the courts as the victims of this disaster file claims and / or lawsuits. The last thing we need is yet another bureaucrat d-bag with excessive power and more money than s/he knows how to spend.
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No different than the 9/11 fund. You take the money or BP screws you over in court for the next 20 years. There are still to this day folks from the Exxon Valdez disaster who have not gotten their money.

People will take the money now. And BP will save money in the long run, that's why they went ahead and set it up.

Sound regulating? Surely you jest. The Right who has been in power for years has been eroding it and the left is too incompetent to run it.
 
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Bob Gray said:
I haven't seen anyone do that.
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Dunno about that...it wasn't very long ago you pretty much staked your position.

Bob Gray said:
I'd certainly believe Kyl over Obama.
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SJHovey said:
Fremont, Nebraska passes immigration ordinance.
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At first I thought this was similar to the numerous other bills which could be construed as targeting minorities as much as solving the illegals problem.

But from what I see here this actually looks pretty good. It finally starts to get more visibility on the primary driver behind the problem...illegals earnings. Not all bills are created equal.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Dunno about that...it wasn't very long ago you pretty much staked your position.
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My saying I'd believe Kyl over Obama is equal to posting that "it was the only possible truth"? :rolleyes: Not hardly. Not even close.

I suppose I could be flattered that you consider my thought to be the same as the only possible truth, but it's more scary than flattering.
 
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Bob Gray said:
My saying I'd believe Kyl over Obama is equal to posting that "it was the only possible truth"? :rolleyes: Not hardly. Not even close.

I suppose I could be flattered that you consider my thought to be the same as the only possible truth, but it's more scary than flattering.
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I think you said 'you certainly believe Kyl'...to me that sounds like its 'as though' its the only possible truth.

If you want to say on a message board that you certainly believe that one person is telling the truth without any hard evidence re a private event and at very least, infer that another is lying...expect to be challenged. Some conservative media 'entertainers' use this approach all the time...but they can be beyond reproach as they have their own show.
 
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Bob Gray said:
I'd certainly believe Kyl over Obama (or McCain though he's not part of this particular discussion). It certainly helps explain the administration's failure to do much of anything on the border and even in certain cases quietly cutting funding.
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How can anyone possibly interpret "I'd certainly believe..." as anything other than a personal opinion? :confused:
 
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goldy_331 said:
How can anyone possibly interpret "I'd certainly believe..." as anything other than a personal opinion? :confused:
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Fine question. Maybe 5mn is one of those Communists that Priceless is always talking about and doesn't believe in personal opinions or something. Apparently he doesn't recognize the capability in a human being to hold an opinion but not think or claim that such an opinion is necessarily ultimate truth. It's always amazing the things that get challenged on this board.
 
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goldy_331 said:
How can anyone possibly interpret "I'd certainly believe..." as anything other than a personal opinion? :confused:
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True, it's an admission of ideologically-driven, impermeable prejudgment and should be applauded; such candor is rare from Obama haters. :p
 
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joecct said:
Unless it is a SCOTUS nominee???????
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I seriously doubt that Obama would consider me for the SCOTUS, and at least to date, he hasn't contacted me. If he asked, I'd consider it! :D
 
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