How to Eliminate Unclean Hits

[Gurtholfin]

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This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of.

Hah!

How long you been sitting on that handle waiting for this opportunity?

 

[Jon]

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You said it, PC is the dirtiest team in the nation!!

Aside from that...

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Make a cfb a 5 game suspension regardless of injury.

I bet that would pretty much eliminate those hits as well as hits that are even potentially a cfb.

Could have an appeal process that could lower it to 1-3 games if there are mitigating circumstances such as a player turning at the last moment.

Big suspensions wouldn't bother me as those hits don't belong in the game and really don't serve any purpose.

 

[MavHockey14]

Make a cfb a 5 game suspension regardless of injury.

I bet that would pretty much eliminate those hits as well as hits that are even potentially a cfb.

Could have an appeal process that could lower it to 1-3 games if there are mitigating circumstances such as a player turning at the last moment.

Big suspensions wouldn't bother me as those hits don't belong in the game and really don't serve any purpose.

Then do we see officials calling more boarding and cross-checking penalties, though?

 

[pdt1081]

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Since those incidents and this most recent injury we have seen much tighter enforcement of the rules and a zero tolerance around and along the boards.

May want to inform the CCHA of that. Seems they'll only call checking from behind on certain teams.

 

[burd]

Re: How to Eliminate Unclean Hits

Make a cfb a 5 game suspension regardless of injury.

I bet that would pretty much eliminate those hits as well as hits that are even potentially a cfb.

Could have an appeal process that could lower it to 1-3 games if there are mitigating circumstances such as a player turning at the last moment.

Big suspensions wouldn't bother me as those hits don't belong in the game and really don't serve any purpose.

The problem is that some cfbs are really close calls--some of them bad calls. Keep the current suspension rule and then in stead of allowing for reduction upon appeal, add an automatic review process by which the suspension can be increased to 5 games rather than reduced from 5. That way players who make honest-to-Parise dangerous hits from behind will fear a large suspension but the marginal calls will still face suspension but not for 5 games. I don't mind a player getting suspended for the next game even for a marginal call, because you have to err on the side of safety and the offending player has put himself in the position for the call, even if it's a mistaken or borderline call upon closer look.

 

[MarkEagleUSA]

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Make a cfb a 5 game suspension regardless of injury.

I bet that would pretty much eliminate those hits as well as hits that are even potentially a cfb.

Could have an appeal process that could lower it to 1-3 games if there are mitigating circumstances such as a player turning at the last moment.

The only way this (or any other approach involving penalties/suspensions) works is to somehow remove subjectivity from the officials. Every league has a ref (or three) that just don't display anything other than the "hey, look at me... I'm in charge here" mentality. They already have too much power and opportunity to affect the outcome of games when there aren't any questionable hits. An appeal process would be a travesty too. We all know the NCAA will err on the side of player safety so anything "close" will be upheld.

On the other hand, maybe all that is enough of a deterrent to limit the bad hits in the first place.

Big suspensions wouldn't bother me as those hits don't belong in the game and really don't serve any purpose.

Agreed, but again I don't think you ever get rid of the subjectivity.

 

[LynahFan]

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I enjoy it when someone posts "How can you root for that boring/dirty/annoying team!"

BECAUSE I WENT TO SCHOOL THERE, YOU NIMROD.

/end rant.

Sure, but when deciding which school to choose, I distinctly remember sitting down and thinking long and hard about the style of hockey that would be played at the various schools 18 years after I graduated and it just hit me, "Yep, Cornell is the one!" Didn't you all do the same thing?

 

[Gurtholfin]

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On the other hand, maybe all that is enough of a deterrent to limit the bad hits in the first place.

This is the point. You'd have players erring on the side of caution real quick.

Instead of blowing a guy up from behind, they'd play the puck - which is the point (or should be) anyway.


Here in Wisconsin, the WIAA (our high school athletics governing body) has instituted the penalty that if your team gets 3 cfb penalties over the course of the season, you are ineligible to play for state. Pretty positive that this is the first year for this rule (and last, hopefully).

One of my assistants on the bantam team that I coach is also an assistant at a high school and he was telling me last weekend that 16 schools* are already eliminated from state.

The team he coaches has two with about 3 weeks to go in the season. They're skating on eggshells.

I think this rule is a HUGE over reaction that maybe sounded good in a board meeting but is really bad in practice. You wanna talk about objectivity amongst refs, watch a WIAA high school hockey game.

Punish the players first and if a team is a huge offender, sanction them after a higher amount. Certainly more than 3 for a whole team over a 30 game season.


EDIT: * Looks like I must have heard him wrong on how many teams are already out. Still don't like the rule though.

 

[CornwallAce]

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Here is Wisconsin, the WIAA (our high school athletics governing body) has instituted the penalty that if your team gets 3 cfb penalties over the course of the season, you are ineligible to play for state. Pretty positive that this is the first year for this rule (and last, hopefully).

One of my assistants on the bantam team that I coach is also an assistant at a high school and he was telling me last weekend that 16 schools are already eliminated from state.

The team he coaches has two with about 3 weeks to go in the season. They're skating on eggshells.

My only question is if a team with 3 cfb penalties already is playing a team with 2, would the team with 3 take advantage of this and play dirty? Am I too cynical?

 

[Gurtholfin]

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My only question is if a team with 3 cfb penalties already is playing a team with 2, would the team with 3 take advantage of this and play dirty? Am I too cynical?

I doubt you're being too cynical.

How about the good team who has 2 already having their rival's players turtle to try and draw a call? Who thinks that no coach would try that?

Like I said. Bad rule.


I tried to look up the rule. All I found was this message board where some people are talking about it:

http://www.wissports.net/Playground/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1346052


I'll keep looking.

 

[Freddie]

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First, let me say that I don't want to see anybody get hurt, even if they play for Michigan
Second, I should tell everybody that I am a sports official (baseball umpire), so I know a bit about the mindset of game officials.

I believe it's a BIG mistake to attach AUTOMATIC sanctions for this offense or that, and here's why; if cfb is an automatic 5 minutes against the team, and every 5 is automatic 10 plus DQ against the player, officials are less likely to call it, even when it's deserved. Many will take the easy way out and just call it 2 for boarding. We've all seen it happen.

Next I've got to say there's no way the extent of the victim's injury should have any impact on the decision. I've seen players suffer horrible, debilitating, career-ending injuries by hits that were perfectly legal; and I've seen guys skate away unhurt from attacks that ought to have earned the perp a trip to prison. If the severity of the penalty can be upgraded according to the extent of the injury, you're going to see players flopping even more than we do already

 

[Jon]

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Sure, but when deciding which school to choose, I distinctly remember sitting down and thinking long and hard about the style of hockey that would be played at the various schools 18 years after I graduated and it just hit me, "Yep, Cornell is the one!" Didn't you all do the same thing?

Absolutely. Knowing that the Friars would make the NCAA's twice in the first 18 years I followed them - only to have to go half way across to the country to get disemboweled by WCHA teams - and that we'd have to sit through about 11 years of nothingness between trips to the HE Semis certainly sealed the deal for me!

 

[SteveP]

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Why don't we just put hockey players in skirts and give them this to play with

Here in Wisconsin, the WIAA (our high school athletics governing body) has instituted the penalty that if your team gets 3 cfb penalties over the course of the season, you are ineligible to play for state. Pretty positive that this is the first year for this rule (and last, hopefully).

 

[uaafanblog]

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Injuries.Happen.During.Legal.or.Illegal.Plays.

Kill.This.Thread.

 

[Red Cloud]

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FlagDUDE, I respect your opinions but your starting to sound like this guy. Saying Cornell and its coaching staff is telling kids to get hurt to gain an advantage is crazy.

Oh, come on that's completely uncalled for.

He always sounds like that guy.

 

[Shootin Muffins]

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This is the point. You'd have players erring on the side of caution real quick.

Instead of blowing a guy up from behind, they'd play the puck - which is the point (or should be) anyway.


Here in Wisconsin, the WIAA (our high school athletics governing body) has instituted the penalty that if your team gets 3 cfb penalties over the course of the season, you are ineligible to play for state. Pretty positive that this is the first year for this rule (and last, hopefully).

One of my assistants on the bantam team that I coach is also an assistant at a high school and he was telling me last weekend that 16 schools* are already eliminated from state.

The team he coaches has two with about 3 weeks to go in the season. They're skating on eggshells.

I think this rule is a HUGE over reaction that maybe sounded good in a board meeting but is really bad in practice. You wanna talk about objectivity amongst refs, watch a WIAA high school hockey game.

Punish the players first and if a team is a huge offender, sanction them after a higher amount. Certainly more than 3 for a whole team over a 30 game season.


EDIT: * Looks like I must have heard him wrong on how many teams are already out. Still don't like the rule though.

The new rules are an absolute joke! We took checking away from Pee Wee aged kids as well and it has turned into a joke. Kids go to the Bantam level without giving and recieving body contact... High School hockey in MN i can't even stand to go watch anymore! A hard hit and it is a 5 minute major. No questions asked!! Players at all levels from youth to college can not play the game the way it was intended. I know some college coaches are finally starting to come out and say it that things have got to change.

If i had a kid that was 16 and a prospect he wouldnt be playing HS hockey in MN i know that for fact.. The kids are skating on egg shells. If they want checking out of the game just come and say it and get it over with. But this crap of a knee jerk reaction because a kid got hit from behind and is now injured permantly has gone on for too long. I don't wish any player any type of injury but check from behinds happen in the game of hockey and it is impossible to get rid of it.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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The new rules are an absolute joke! We took checking away from Pee Wee aged kids as well and it has turned into a joke. Kids go to the Bantam level without giving and recieving body contact... High School hockey in MN i can't even stand to go watch anymore! A hard hit and it is a 5 minute major. No questions asked!! Players at all levels from youth to college can not play the game the way it was intended. I know some college coaches are finally starting to come out and say it that things have got to change.

If i had a kid that was 16 and a prospect he wouldnt be playing HS hockey in MN i know that for fact.. The kids are skating on egg shells. If they want checking out of the game just come and say it and get it over with. But this crap of a knee jerk reaction because a kid got hit from behind and is now injured permantly has gone on for too long. I don't wish any player any type of injury but check from behinds happen in the game of hockey and it is impossible to get rid of it.

Put the stop signs on the back of the uniforms!

 

[Shootin Muffins]

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Put the stop signs on the back of the uniforms!

Ya the STOP signs have eliminated check from behinds.. LMFAO!! You would think USA Hockey was a bit more innovative.. Maybe get instructors out on the road to work with coaches and players to help them understand the concept of body contact instead of having a Dad that is re-living his JV hockey career!

 

[dggoddard]

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Players at all levels from youth to college can not play the game the way it was intended.

Concussions, spinal injuries, lawsuits, lighter equipment, faster speeds will eventually bring more changes. Tighter rules or more vigilant enforcement of the rules is an inevitable by-product.

Additionally there is far more hitting, contact and injuries in the average college game vs. a regular season NHL game.