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Hockey East - Who's in, who's out, who's home: by the numbers - 2010-11 edition

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BC/HE said:
Todd, I believe the three way tiebreaker does not start over when one is eliminated.
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Both the text (old and new version) and history show that they "reduce the number of teams tied ..., and then the process will commence again.” It's not the only way to decide how to break ties, but it is what Hockey East has chosen as their method.
 
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Todd said:
Thanks for the verification.
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Thanks also, Todd, for your careful work on this.

The odds of a three-way tie are low (less than 1 percent, according to the back of the envelope I just drew on). If it happens, we'd have a classic scissors-paper-stone situation where BU>ME>MC>BU. A decision analyst would say that this game has no core, so there's no inherently right way to solve it. Whether you go top down or bottom up isn't any more or less just than flipping a coin.

It's ironic, though, that BU would be for sure in if MC does better than 34 points, as then BU would win the tiebreaker with ME even if the Terriers get swept by NU. Stranger things have happened, I suppose, but the Warriors look to be a good bet for getting 2 or more points from PC.
 
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goalguard said:
... there's no inherently right way to solve it. Whether you go top down or bottom up isn't any more or less just than flipping a coin.
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Agreed. That's why I think it's important for the rules to be clear. It doesn't matter which of the equally valid paths the League chooses, as long as everyone is clear on what is needed going into the start of play.

goalguard said:
It's ironic, though, that BU would be for sure in if MC does better than 34 points, as then BU would win the tiebreaker with ME even if the Terriers get swept by NU. Stranger things have happened, I suppose, but the Warriors look to be a good bet for getting 2 or more points from PC.
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Put another way, the mathematical (not taking team strengths or contest location into account) odds of BU not getting home ice are currently the same as the odds of BC ending up in 4th place. Each would take an exact net result in the W-L-T outcomes of six contests among six teams in six venues.
 
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Todd, thanks for putting this together every year. Its one of the threads I look most forward to looking at after every game night late in the season. Kudos!
 
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WildShawn said:
Todd, thanks for putting this together every year. Its one of the threads I look most forward to looking at after every game night late in the season. Kudos!
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Todd, ditto, ditto, ditto. Great info. Thanks a bunch!
 
Re: Hockey East - Who's in, who's out, who's home: by the numbers - 2010-11 edition

I didn't know where else to put this. I saw in the HE Online Weekly Release last week that Bertagna said that some of the first round match ups might start on Thursday. Anyone have any idea which of the host teams would start Thursday vs Friday? I looked at the Whittemore Center's events and there is a Bruins alumni game at 1p.m. on Sunday, but not sure that would prevent a hockey game at 7p.m. Also, Merrimack is hosting the Super 8 Tournament Sunday afternoon.
 
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irishfan85 said:
I didn't know where else to put this. I saw in the HE Online Weekly Release last week that Bertagna said that some of the first round match ups might start on Thursday. Anyone have any idea which of the host teams would start Thursday vs Friday? I looked at the Whittemore Center's events and there is a Bruins alumni game at 1p.m. on Sunday, but not sure that would prevent a hockey game at 7p.m. Also, Merrimack is hosting the Super 8 Tournament Sunday afternoon.
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First thought was TV$$. But NESN has Bruins live Thursday and Friday and HE quarters on Saturday. Sorry, no help.
 
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5IslandsWildcat said:
First thought was TV$$. But NESN has Bruins live Thursday and Friday and HE quarters on Saturday. Sorry, no help.
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If tv isn't the reason, then logistics can be the only one, since putting games on Thursday hurts attendance with work/traffic/etc. So if UNH and MC have conflicts, I'd guess those would be the ones with the Thu-Sat possibilities.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that 2 series ALWAYS started on Thursday??? 2 series are Thursday Friday Saturday and 2 are Friday Saturday Sunday. I swear I remember that, but I could, as always, be wrong.
 
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MCHOCKEY said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that 2 series ALWAYS started on Thursday??? 2 series are Thursday Friday Saturday and 2 are Friday Saturday Sunday. I swear I remember that, but I could, as always, be wrong.
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This changed a couple years ago. UNH always used to have a Thursday series, mostly so they'd have at least ONE game with students (quarterfinals fall during UNHs Spring Break). However, I was told that TV was part of the reason, as it gave NESN the choice of ALL the series instead of just two (which is stupid, because they're too lazy to go anywhere except Comm Ave anyway). The other reason was 'fair play'; if a team started their series on Thursday and swept, that team could ostensibly get two extra days of rest over a team that started on Friday and went three games. To me, that makes sense . . . although Sunday night hockey always feels a little weird.
 
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unhpuckfan2001 said:
This changed a couple years ago. UNH always used to have a Thursday series, mostly so they'd have at least ONE game with students (quarterfinals fall during UNHs Spring Break).
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I wonder if BU's series (assuming they wrap up home ice) might start Thursday for this reason. Usually, the quarterfinals are the last weekend of BU's spring break, but this year, they're the first. So starting Thursday would, at least in theory, give BU one game with students around before spring break starts.
 
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Federal League said:
I wonder if BU's series (assuming they wrap up home ice) might start Thursday for this reason. Usually, the quarterfinals are the last weekend of BU's spring break, but this year, they're the first. So starting Thursday would, at least in theory, give BU one game with students around before spring break starts.
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I assume that'd be BU pushing HE to do that, not HE willingly making the change.
 
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Federal League said:
I wonder if BU's series (assuming they wrap up home ice) might start Thursday for this reason. Usually, the quarterfinals are the last weekend of BU's spring break, but this year, they're the first. So starting Thursday would, at least in theory, give BU one game with students around before spring break starts.
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??

Your games last week (both weekend nights) averaged only 4600 fans or 74% capacity. You think a weekday game would do better? Seemed to me that many of your students blew off the games anyways. Early jump on the spring?
 
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Slasher7 said:
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Your games last week (both weekend nights) averaged only 4600 fans or 74% capacity. You think a weekday game would do better? Seemed to me that many of your students blew off the games anyways. Early jump on the spring?
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That's why I said "in theory." I have no idea where the hell students were last weekend. It's embarrassing.
 
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I also thought, and again, I could be wrong, that the top 2 teams got the preference on which day to start their quarterfinal. So if BC/UNH both wanted to start on Thursday, BU and MC would start on Friday (as the standing are today).
 
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Federal League said:
That's why I said "in theory." I have no idea where the hell students were last weekend. It's embarrassing.
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Friday night was the biggest (only?) school wide formal, so that did help decrease numbers, but in no way was it the only or even the largest factor. As shown by the fact that while Saturday's student crowd was larger, it was still nowhere near full.
 
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Agganis said:
Friday night was the biggest (only?) school wide formal, so that did help decrease numbers, but in no way was it the only or even the largest factor. As shown by the fact that while Saturday's student crowd was larger, it was still nowhere near full.
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Yeah both nights were just embarrassing. I would think senior night and Northeastern would draw a bigger crowd for the students but who knows after the last couple weekends
 
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mpereira said:
Yeah both nights were just embarrassing. I would think senior night and Northeastern would draw a bigger crowd for the students but who knows after the last couple weekends
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Northeastern is not really a big draw for anyone at BU, unless things have drastically changed in the last season and a half, which I doubt.
 
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