brassbonanza
Super Serial
Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory
Can't, he's in the NHL now.
Can't, he's in the NHL now.
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Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory
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Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory
Who let that happen?!?!?!
Who let that happen?!?!?!
UML Puck Hawk
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Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory
I can't speak for the team but I'd agree that their fans "knows little".
I can't speak for the team but I'd agree that their fans "knows little".
brassbonanza
Super Serial
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory
I think Hockey East fiddled with something similar back in the '90's ... OK I cheated and looked it up. See the '95/'96 RS standings (this also applied in '94/'95 but thankfully ended after two seasons):
http://www.hockeyeastonline.com/pdf/20152016/men/season_1996.pdf
http://www.hockeyeastonline.com/pdf/20152016/men/season_1995.pdf
IIRC it worked like this:
5 points for a regulation win
2 points for a tie
1 additional point for a shootout win
0 points for a regulation loss
I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think they went directly to a shootout after regulation back then ...
I think Hockey East fiddled with something similar back in the '90's ... OK I cheated and looked it up. See the '95/'96 RS standings (this also applied in '94/'95 but thankfully ended after two seasons):
http://www.hockeyeastonline.com/pdf/20152016/men/season_1996.pdf
http://www.hockeyeastonline.com/pdf/20152016/men/season_1995.pdf
IIRC it worked like this:
5 points for a regulation win
2 points for a tie
1 additional point for a shootout win
0 points for a regulation loss
I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think they went directly to a shootout after regulation back then ...
Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory
I think they went to the shootout after a 5-minute OT Chuck.
How about adding on the following:
3 points for wins on a Tuesday or Thursday night
3.5 points for a win on a Sunday afternoon
I'm sure we could come up with more!!!
ETA: I'm pretty sure Sean Pickett would know for sure. Sean - what say you?
I think they went to the shootout after a 5-minute OT Chuck.
How about adding on the following:
3 points for wins on a Tuesday or Thursday night
3.5 points for a win on a Sunday afternoon
I'm sure we could come up with more!!!
ETA: I'm pretty sure Sean Pickett would know for sure. Sean - what say you?
Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory
Back in 1994 Hockey East voted to have a shootout after the regulation 5 minute overtime as allowed by the NCAA. Originally the league did not change the number of points rewarded for a win or tie, but gave the winner of the shootout an extra point. However the coaches disliked that the shootout winner got 2 points and the loser got 1 point, for a total of 3 points being awarded in a shootout game vs just 2 other games. So, the league modified the points awarded so that every game was worth 5 points, with a tie only worth 2 points and the extra point going to the shootout winner.
After using it for two years the league dropped it per NCAA rules when it was not accepted as a permanent rules change at that time. It appears that Hockey East was ahead of the NHL as both shootouts and awarding an extra point became part of the NHL a decade later.
So, would the standings have been different if the point system had not been changed? In 1994-95 the only difference would have been that NU would have tied UNH in the standings (32 points each), but as UNH won all 3 head-to-head meetings the seedings would have remained the same. In 1995-96 BC would have tied PC in the standings (27 points each), but PC would have still claimed the 4th seed since they won the head-to-head, 2-0-1. However, NU would have passed UNH (22 to 21 points) to claim 6th place in the standings.
Would the standing have been any different if the league had not used shootouts? Just one, as Maine would have finished first ahead of BU (36 to 35 points) in 1994-95. However, while BU and Maine tied in the standings for that season Maine was seeded 1st as they won the head-to-head, 1-0-2.
By the way, Northeastern played in the most shootouts and was undefeated, going 10-0 (5-0 each season). At the other end New Hampshire was the worst in shootouts, going 1-7 (0-4 and 1-3), while Maine went just 3-7 and Providence went 3-6.
Sean
Back in 1994 Hockey East voted to have a shootout after the regulation 5 minute overtime as allowed by the NCAA. Originally the league did not change the number of points rewarded for a win or tie, but gave the winner of the shootout an extra point. However the coaches disliked that the shootout winner got 2 points and the loser got 1 point, for a total of 3 points being awarded in a shootout game vs just 2 other games. So, the league modified the points awarded so that every game was worth 5 points, with a tie only worth 2 points and the extra point going to the shootout winner.
After using it for two years the league dropped it per NCAA rules when it was not accepted as a permanent rules change at that time. It appears that Hockey East was ahead of the NHL as both shootouts and awarding an extra point became part of the NHL a decade later.
So, would the standings have been different if the point system had not been changed? In 1994-95 the only difference would have been that NU would have tied UNH in the standings (32 points each), but as UNH won all 3 head-to-head meetings the seedings would have remained the same. In 1995-96 BC would have tied PC in the standings (27 points each), but PC would have still claimed the 4th seed since they won the head-to-head, 2-0-1. However, NU would have passed UNH (22 to 21 points) to claim 6th place in the standings.
Would the standing have been any different if the league had not used shootouts? Just one, as Maine would have finished first ahead of BU (36 to 35 points) in 1994-95. However, while BU and Maine tied in the standings for that season Maine was seeded 1st as they won the head-to-head, 1-0-2.
By the way, Northeastern played in the most shootouts and was undefeated, going 10-0 (5-0 each season). At the other end New Hampshire was the worst in shootouts, going 1-7 (0-4 and 1-3), while Maine went just 3-7 and Providence went 3-6.
Sean
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Middle Street
Well-known member
Agreed.
I'm also looking forward to the HE non-conference thread where Mookie shames every other fan base after each loss
FiveHole12
Registered User
Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory
Madigan was on the chopping block back in January... NU'ers wanted his head. By the end of March they were lobbying for COTY and a bronze statue.
Yooose sure are a fickle bunch.
To answer your question, Ruck went 6-1-0 in March. Shoulda won the Hobey.
That wasn't my point. Point is that NU'ers are trashing Roy while he had less to do with NU's record at the time than Ruck did (Roy was 2-3-1 in the same time frame). Who's to say Roy wouldn't have lit it up in the 2nd half as well?
Madigan was on the chopping block back in January... NU'ers wanted his head. By the end of March they were lobbying for COTY and a bronze statue.
Yooose sure are a fickle bunch.
To answer your question, Ruck went 6-1-0 in March. Shoulda won the Hobey.
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brassbonanza
Super Serial
Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory
The highlight of the year until the Beanpot thread and then Todd's playoff possibilities, especially if a scenario arises where he knows HE's tiebreakers better than HE.
I'm also looking forward to the HE non-conference thread where Mookie shames every other fan base after each loss
The highlight of the year until the Beanpot thread and then Todd's playoff possibilities, especially if a scenario arises where he knows HE's tiebreakers better than HE.
The Zlax45
Registered User
Who let that happen?!?!?!
Yea when I saw the news Voss was moved to the NHL I cheered. He had very little feel for a game during his career in Hockey East. I always feel Jack Millea calls the best game with keeping under control and being even handed.
jcarter7669
Registered User
Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory
UVM still has time... it only took NU 30 years.
UVM still has time... it only took NU 30 years.
Nick Papagiorgio
Holding court
Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory
You mean other than the Elephant Walk?
You mean other than the Elephant Walk?
Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory
28 years. But who's counting?! It's a "what have you done lately" world.
28 years. But who's counting?! It's a "what have you done lately" world.
Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory
He called Pens/Hawks last night, thought he saw Matt Benning and called a phantom hook on Tyler Motte instead.
He called Pens/Hawks last night, thought he saw Matt Benning and called a phantom hook on Tyler Motte instead.
Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory
You're out of your mind. Roy should have been, worst case, 4-0-2 with the way that the team played in front of him. Bentley ganme one...11 shots 3 goals...next night he let in the first two shots he faced and 4 of the first 17 over 2 periods. The next week versus UMN he lets in 3 goals in 11 minutes.
You are not to be taken seriously.
To put it plain and simply - and if you actually played or analyzed hockey you'd know this - NU had one legit D1 goaltender last season. That goaltender finished the season for them.
You're out of your mind. Roy should have been, worst case, 4-0-2 with the way that the team played in front of him. Bentley ganme one...11 shots 3 goals...next night he let in the first two shots he faced and 4 of the first 17 over 2 periods. The next week versus UMN he lets in 3 goals in 11 minutes.
You are not to be taken seriously.
Who's to say Roy wouldn't have lit it up in the 2nd half as well?
Madigan was on the chopping block back in January... NU'ers wanted his head. By the end of March they were lobbying for COTY and a bronze statue.
To put it plain and simply - and if you actually played or analyzed hockey you'd know this - NU had one legit D1 goaltender last season. That goaltender finished the season for them.