Hockey East 2020-2021

[Jeb2020]

Things have gotten so bad so fast. I'm assuming plans for the season were in the works for a few months, when things weren't this horrific. If we were still in a place like where we were in, say, late August/early September and stayed that way, I'd feel more comfortable about pushing along. But, trying to do this when we are beyond crisis mode seems really ridiculous.

What in the world are you talking about? Let me guess now you think sports teams who are pretty much bubbled off are causing the spread?

 

[NCAA watcher]

Is there a reason they are beholden to the traditional cut-off of ending the regular season in March, and having championships in April? Is it a concern about keeping it aligned with the second semester school end in May? Even the additional few weeks could impact the ability to play the games, or even a faint possibility of having some fans in the stands for the HE gahden or the NCAAs.

 

[Jeb2020]

"Massachusetts logged more than 100 youth hockey cases in a few weeks. In Maine, an asymptomatic referee exposed up to 400 people in two days. In Bellemore’s home state of New Hampshire, state officials shut down youth hockey for two weeks to get cases under control and mandated testing for all 20,000 players — a directive that resulted in long lines and other chaos at testing centers statewide."

It is probably time for a primer on testing as how we test is going to be changing soon, my prediction, in the next 90 days.



Currently most PCR tests have a CT (cycle threshold) of over 40 or even higher.

It is very well known that a positive PCR test with a CT over 35 is not detecting any infection. Even tests with a CT of 30 or higher are not detecting much if any infection.

No wonder sports leagues, NFL, ect. are contracting out and doing their own testing with a much lower CT.


2020 the year of TopNotch #Science

 

[Chuck Murray]

Those pesky facts. They are so inconvenient! Don't you understand people need to forget folks are dying? They are tired of playing Pandemic. It has been 8 long months. They need to be distracted and entertained!! The serfs should be willing to die so people don't have to deal with reality. [insert picture of red-lined sarcasm meter]

What "facts" are you relying upon? Speculative, educated guesswork ... or the actual data?

I've posted the NH data above, and Jeb has continuously posted the data from MN elsewhere.

No one - none of you - ever challenges the data. By definition, data is closer to "facts" than guessing.

At my age, based on the NH data, I'm eight (8) times as likely to die in a car accident than from COVID. Let's say COVID deaths at my age group (under 60) double in the next 3 months (full year). That means I'm still four (4) times more likely to be killed in a car accident than from COVID-19.

Yet almost every day, I get in my car and live my life. And most people my age do the same.

I can assure you, I do not fear for my life (or those of others) every time I get in a car.

If some drunk driver crosses the center line and kills me tonight ... hey, that's incredibly unlucky. Wrong place, wrong time. Kind of like COVID-19. If I happen to get it, and have a (much) worse result than the 99.7% of folks in my age group who contract it and survive ... hey, that's incredibly unlucky too. I'm willing to take that risk. If you're not, no one is forcing you to do anything. Hunker down in the basement, or move to California. Whatever floats your boat. Difference is, risk averse people want to prevent people like me from living my life close to normal (within reason), for a host of speculative reasons.

Life is difficult, and downright dangerous at times. It's not supposed to be easy, snowflake. Suck it up and play through. We're all going to die someday from something.

Or is that another "fact" you're uncomfortable with?

 

[Chuck Murray]

Is there a reason they are beholden to the traditional cut-off of ending the regular season in March, and having championships in April? Is it a concern about keeping it aligned with the second semester school end in May? Even the additional few weeks could impact the ability to play the games, or even a faint possibility of having some fans in the stands for the HE gahden or the NCAAs.

Great questions. Good luck tracking down the commish or any of his direct reports for an answer ...

 

[Jeb2020]

What "facts" are you relying upon? Speculative, educated guesswork ... or the actual data?

Hi Chuck, hope you are doing well.

They have no data, they have no facts. All they have are the buzzwords and talking points that flood the airwaves, if they provide data it is always with no context and it is as alarmist as possible.

They compensate this by always pointing out that they believe in #Science, they listen to the #Experts. Not Present can't go one long winded post without referring to "experts" 5 or 6 times.

These tactics are meant to stifle any reasonable conversation which there is plenty of room for across all aspects of this.

 

[Drew S.]

What "facts" are you relying upon? Speculative, educated guesswork ... or the actual data?

I've posted the NH data above, and Jeb has continuously posted the data from MN elsewhere.

No one - none of you - ever challenges the data. By definition, data is closer to "facts" than guessing.

At my age, based on the NH data, I'm eight (8) times as likely to die in a car accident than from COVID. Let's say COVID deaths at my age group (under 60) double in the next 3 months (full year). That means I'm still four (4) times more likely to be killed in a car accident than from COVID-19.

Yet almost every day, I get in my car and live my life. And most people my age do the same.

I can assure you, I do not fear for my life (or those of others) every time I get in a car.

If some drunk driver crosses the center line and kills me tonight ... hey, that's incredibly unlucky. Wrong place, wrong time. Kind of like COVID-19. If I happen to get it, and have a (much) worse result than the 99.7% of folks in my age group who contract it and survive ... hey, that's incredibly unlucky too. I'm willing to take that risk. If you're not, no one is forcing you to do anything. Hunker down in the basement, or move to California. Whatever floats your boat. Difference is, risk averse people want to prevent people like me from living my life close to normal (within reason), for a host of speculative reasons.

Life is difficult, and downright dangerous at times. It's not supposed to be easy, snowflake. Suck it up and play through. We're all going to die someday from something.

Or is that another "fact" you're uncomfortable with?

Chuck, life isn’t normal right now no matter how much we want it to be. We all need to do our bit so people don’t unnecessarily die and our hospitals don’t get completely overrun. It sucks, but that’s where we are right now. To quote my favorite movie: there’s no hiding from this son.

If Hockey East can safely play they absolutely should, but from what we have seen so far that doesn’t seem to be happening. It’s not just about what happens to you.

 

[Jeb2020]

Chuck, life isn’t normal right now no matter how much we want it to be. We all need to do our bit so people don’t unnecessarily die and our hospitals don’t get completely overrun. It sucks, but that’s where we are right now. To quote my favorite movie: there’s no hiding from this son.

If Hockey East can safely play they absolutely should, but from what we have seen so far that doesn’t seem to be happening. It’s not just about what happens to you.

Please point out what is going on in Hockey East that is not "Safe."


Your first comment is complete non-sense and it defies all logic, viruses don't work that way. Never have, never will. Ironic that you say there is no hiding from this son and your exact response is to hide from it.

Please share examples, data, ect. of which hospitals in your area are being "completely overrun."

 

[Drew S.]

@Jeb, hospitals in the area where my wife and I work are completely out of ICU beds so there’s that.

There is no hiding from our responsibility to do what we can for society. Honestly we have it pretty easy compared to what other generations have gone through. People need to just stay the **** away from other people for a few months and then we will be able to get back to normal.

 

[rufus]

You children are still at this circle jerk?

Which of you is the pivot man?

 

[Jeb2020]

@Jeb, hospitals in the area where my wife and I work are completely out of ICU beds so there’s that.

There is no hiding from our responsibility to do what we can for society. Honestly we have it pretty easy compared to what other generations have gone through. People need to just stay the **** away from other people for a few months and then we will be able to get back to normal.

What area is that which you are referring to? This is nothing more than a hysterical claim, hospitals in the area where my wife and I work are completely out of ICU beds so there’s that.

Your measures don't work in eliminating a virus.

Would love to hear your thoughts on PCR Testing of asymptomatic people.

 

[rufus]

Hey, Chuckler. Are there government mandated protection devices built into the car that you get into everyday and live your life? Why are those mandated, and what are they there for? Do you buckle up when you get into your car and live your life? Why?

Does your car have to pass a government mandated safety inspection every year before you are allowed to get into it and live your life? Why?

Does your car require government mandated headlights, brake lights, and turn signals, so you can get into it and live your life? Why? What's the reason?

Oh, and Chuckler. You're a fucking idiot.

 

[J.D.]

Those pesky facts. They are so inconvenient! Don't you understand people need to forget folks are dying? They are tired of playing Pandemic. It has been 8 long months. They need to be distracted and entertained!! The serfs should be willing to die so people don't have to deal with reality. [insert picture of red-lined sarcasm meter]

Have you talked to Norm yet? I bet he's just like any other rational human being in that of course we care about people dying but also realize that life shouldn't be put on hold until everyone is vaccinated and there are zero COVID cases. But as I said before there is simply no reasoning, no middle ground with people like you. If you wanna be regularly tested and play hockey in an empty arena against other people who are regularly tested, well that just makes you evil!!! Now go write another letter.

 

[J.D.]

Now this thread has been infected with the virus known as rufus

 

[Jeb2020]

Hey, Chuckler. Are there government mandated protection devices built into the car that you get into everyday and live your life? Why are those mandated, and what are they there for? Do you buckle up when you get into your car and live your life? Why?

Does your car have to pass a government mandated safety inspection every year before you are allowed to get into it and live your life? Why?

Does your car require government mandated headlights, brake lights, and turn signals, so you can get into it and live your life? Why? What's the reason?

Oh, and Chuckler. You're a ****ing idiot.

What an awful analogy for so many reasons. Seems par for the course for someone that spouts, how much they believe in #Science.

 

[J.D.]

Is there a reason they are beholden to the traditional cut-off of ending the regular season in March, and having championships in April? Is it a concern about keeping it aligned with the second semester school end in May? Even the additional few weeks could impact the ability to play the games, or even a faint possibility of having some fans in the stands for the HE gahden or the NCAAs.

The college world series is in the summer, I don't see why they couldn't extend the college hockey season.

 

[J.D.]

You children are still at this circle jerk?

This is quite funny because it's the exact definition of the Cafe Forum.

 

[rufus]

This is quite funny because it's the exact definition of the Cafe Forum.

Oh, its a trio now?

Are you the smartest, or the dumbest of the three? Its hard to tell, I know.

 

[J.D.]

I don't know let's see the rufus power rankings. Or try responding to something i have said that is so wrong or outrageous (or as we see in the cafe, any differing opinion).

 

[Chuck Murray]

Looks like ThoughtLeader80K set his useful idiots loose for our entertainment today, eh?