Hockey East 2011 - 2012 :

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Re: Hockey East 2011 - 2012 :

Not sure how more TV coverage and more national exposure for the league is a bad thing or should be considered some god-awful, evil demand. The types of demands that I'd put in that category would be crazy requests like HE paying for travel etc. As a HE fan I would obviously be upset if the commish bent over for a demand like that...but increasing national TV coverage for the league? How does that harm me? It doesn't. Could care less if ND wants TV deals, in the end it means more people watching HE games and college hockey in general, and again, I don't see that as a bad thing.

Correct. And I would laugh so hard if HEA manages some kind of national TV deal out of this and the mighty LTHC remains regional.

 

[slurpees]

Re: Hockey East 2011 - 2012 :

What are these demands ND is going to make? It's not like if HE says no to ND, the future of the conference is at risk or something. No one currently in the conference is realistically going anywhere, BU and BC both turned down the NCHC, and no one's going to the integer conference. So HE is in a position of power where ND needs a home, and HE doesn't need ND. Sure, there are some pluses to it, but I really don't see what these demands would be and why HE would give in.

 

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Not sure how more TV coverage and more national exposure for the league is a bad thing or should be considered some god-awful, evil demand. The types of demands that I'd put in that category would be crazy requests like HE paying for travel etc. As a HE fan I would obviously be upset if the commish bent over for a demand like that...but increasing national TV coverage for the league? How does that harm me? It doesn't. Could care less if ND wants TV deals, in the end it means more people watching HE games and college hockey in general, and again, I don't see that as a bad thing.

Exactly, who cares what TV deals ND gets. They are not in our local TV market and most likely would show some HE games to a national audience with whatever deal they got. Plus, its college hockey, not a billion dollar deal. Having ND come into any HE barn will increase ticket sales for home games. They would bring a national brand into our league.

 

[J.D.]

Re: Hockey East 2011 - 2012 :

Not sure how more TV coverage and more national exposure for the league is a bad thing or should be considered some god-awful, evil demand. The types of demands that I'd put in that category would be crazy requests like HE paying for travel etc. As a HE fan I would obviously be upset if the commish bent over for a demand like that...but increasing national TV coverage for the league? How does that harm me? It doesn't. Could care less if ND wants TV deals, in the end it means more people watching HE games and college hockey in general, and again, I don't see that as a bad thing.

Obviously we're gonna have to wait for all the details that are being worked out, but don't you think ND is focused on how TV will help them, not the league they're joining? Are you saying you expect some equal national TV deal to come out of this for Hockey East? If that's the case, why the hell would the NCHC say no? Plus, you're speaking from one fan's perspective...obviously it doesn't "harm you".

Unless Notre Dame told the LTHC to go screw.

It's the same exact idea. Why would ND tell them to go screw? Because the NCHC wouldn't agree to the almighty NDs terms.

 

[Salvo1017]

Re: Hockey East 2011 - 2012 :

What are these demands ND is going to make? It's not like if HE says no to ND, the future of the conference is at risk or something. No one currently in the conference is realistically going anywhere, BU and BC both turned down the NCHC, and no one's going to the integer conference. So HE is in a position of power where ND needs a home, and HE doesn't need ND. Sure, there are some pluses to it, but I really don't see what these demands would be and why HE would give in.

It's official, whatever "demands" they made, HE either accepted or negotiated something out. Personal ND TV deals dont bother me in the slightest; picking up traveling costs or something along those lines would, but in my mind those are so out of the question I doubt Bertagna would have given them the light of day.

 

[Salvo1017]

Re: Hockey East 2011 - 2012 :

Obviously we're gonna have to wait for all the details that are being worked out, but don't you think ND is focused on how TV will help them, not the league they're joining? Are you saying you expect some equal national TV deal to come out of this for Hockey East? If that's the case, why the hell would the NCHC say no? Plus, you're speaking from one fan's perspective...obviously it doesn't "harm you".



It's the same exact idea. Why would ND tell them to go screw? Because the NCHC wouldn't agree to the almighty NDs terms.

Not sure how ND having their own TV deal hurts me or anyone else in the league... Any personal ND TV deal is effectively a HE deal to some degree...who the hell do you think ND is going to be playing the majority of their games against? 22 out of 34 to be exact...oh that's right...other hockey east teams.

All press is good press.

 

[J.D.]

Re: Hockey East 2011 - 2012 :

It's not like if HE says no to ND, the future of the conference is at risk or something. No one currently in the conference is realistically going anywhere, BU and BC both turned down the NCHC, and no one's going to the integer conference. So HE is in a position of power where ND needs a home, and HE doesn't need ND. Sure, there are some pluses to it, but I really don't see what these demands would be and why HE would give in.

Exactly. Furthermore, why would the NCHC say no? There has to be something.

Exactly, who cares what TV deals ND gets. They are not in our local TV market and most likely would show some HE games to a national audience with whatever deal they got. Plus, its college hockey, not a billion dollar deal. Having ND come into any HE barn will increase ticket sales for home games. They would bring a national brand into our league.

Ha, so if ND came away with an exclusive national TV deal with NBC Sports/Versus, that's ok with you?

 

[boblav1]

Re: Hockey East 2011 - 2012 :

From the CHN article: Notre Dame Decision Won't Be Last One

Now there are indications Hockey East is the choice, although things aren't a done deal yet. Something could be announced, though, within a matter of days.

Things started to come together once Notre Dame finalized its television deal. It's not a "Notre Dame Network" that has been rumored — at least not yet (University of Texas starts its own network this fall) — but it's an agreement with a local network to televise all home games.

A main reason why Notre Dame's football program remains independent is because it has its own national television package. It doesn't need a conference, and it would only get in the way. Notre Dame's hockey program is not as interested in being independent, so it needs to find a conference partner willing to accept its television package.

Maybe there were other issues that the NCHC had with ND.

 

[J.D.]

Re: Hockey East 2011 - 2012 :

Not sure how ND having their own TV deal hurts me or anyone else in the league... Any personal ND TV deal is effectively a HE deal to some degree...who the hell do you think ND is going to be playing the majority of their games against? 22 out of 34 to be exact...oh that's right...other hockey east teams.

All press is good press.

I don't understand how you can't see that IF Notre Dame gets an exclusive national TV deal, that gives them a significant advantage over every school in Hockey East. Why do you think everyone in the Big XII is so against the Longhorn Network?

 

[Salvo1017]

Re: Hockey East 2011 - 2012 :

ha, so if nd came away with an exclusive national tv deal with nbc sports/versus, that's ok with you?

a-ok

 

[J.D.]

Re: Hockey East 2011 - 2012 :

a-ok

Fair enough...we'll agree to disagree.

 

[Salvo1017]

Re: Hockey East 2011 - 2012 :

haha from my prospective...if it gets my school's name that's on the front of the jersey on national television for 3 hours once or twice a season that's nothing but a good thing. I suppose the bigger teams like BC and BU have no use for that kind of press but I'm sure the smaller schools like MC, UML, PC, and even UVM or Maine can benefit from it - not just from an athletics stand point but from an academics stand point. more exposure means more kids applying to your school.

 

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Exactly. Furthermore, why would the NCHC say no? There has to be something.




Ha, so if ND came away with an exclusive national TV deal with NBC Sports/Versus, that's ok with you?

How does that hurt Hockey East? Nobody watches college hockey on TV except us loyal fans. Furthermore, how's that football deal with NBC working out? It hasn't helped them at all. They still stink. And i'd like ND football to do well.

 

[ericredaxe]

Re: Hockey East 2011 - 2012 :

From my perspective, adding ND does not really add any value to the league. What is it going to get us? Increased travel? A couple of additional away games that (as a fan) are difficult to get to if you want to see your team at an opponents rink? An unbalanced league schedule? Even more league game comitments? Or, if they reduce the schedule to playing every other team once, then we see our traditional rivals one less time per year.

Sounding more and more like its done... but I'm still holding out hope it dosen't happen.

 

[slurpees]

Re: Hockey East 2011 - 2012 :

Exactly. Furthermore, why would the NCHC say no? There has to be something.




Ha, so if ND came away with an exclusive national TV deal with NBC Sports/Versus, that's ok with you?

Well, VS is carrying HE regular season games this year - BU@UVM on 2/24 is one, and the HE championships, so an exclusive deal with them seems off the table.

haha from my prospective...if it gets my school's name that's on the front of the jersey on national television for 3 hours once or twice a season that's nothing but a good thing. I suppose the bigger teams like BC and BU have no use for that kind of press but I'm sure the smaller schools like MC, UML, PC, and even UVM or Maine can benefit from it - not just from an athletics stand point but from an academics stand point. more exposure means more kids applying to your school.

That would give ND a HUGE HUGE HUGE recruiting advantage over everyone else in the league and would be a terrible idea to allow. The thing is, all HE has to do to avoid that is just say no to ND and it's a non-issue. But really, is there that high of a demand to watch ND hockey that they're in a position to jones for an exclusive national TV deal? If so, how come they haven't locked up an exclusive deal for basketball, a sport that would clearly garner a larger national audience? It's one thing if VS/NBC is more inclined to show HE games if ND is a part of the league, but if ND is bringing a deal exclusive to them, with revenue and TV time going to them only, that would be a horrendous move for the league, and should just say no.

 

[slurpees]

Re: Hockey East 2011 - 2012 :

How does that hurt Hockey East? Nobody watches college hockey on TV except us loyal fans. Furthermore, how's that football deal with NBC working out? It hasn't helped them at all. They still stink. And i'd like ND football to do well.

all about recruiting. ND with an exclusive TV package can tell a recruit that more of his games will be seen by scouts around the country if he plays at ND than would be the case at Maine, BC, BU, etc.

Then again, where are the reports of ND's exclusive deal coming from? The only thing I see is from that CHN article which looks more like a total misunderstanding of ND's NBC football deal (thinking it extends to hockey) than a report of a new deal of any kind.

 

[Priceless]

Re: Hockey East 2011 - 2012 :

From my perspective, adding ND does not really add any value to the league. What is it going to get us? Increased travel? A couple of additional away games that (as a fan) are difficult to get to if you want to see your team at an opponents rink? An unbalanced league schedule? Even more league game comitments? Or, if they reduce the schedule to playing every other team once, then we see our traditional rivals one less time per year.

Sounding more and more like its done... but I'm still holding out hope it dosen't happen.

If ND comes to Hockey East, the conference will add a 12th (probably RPI) and go to a 22 game schedule (a la the ECAC). Going to be a bitch for the teams that only have one game at ND each season, but maybe they and their travel partner can pick up a game with Penn State/Ohio State/etc. As for seeing rivals less, it doesn't necessarily make it so. BC-BU-NE will still have NC games in the Beanpot and maybe UHN-UMO can renew their rivalry with a NC game in Portland every year. Other schools can do likewise. It also opens up NC opportunities against other conferences.

I'm not thrilled to see Notre Dame come in to what was a New England bus league, but they're coming and we fans have to make the best of it. My concern is what if ND joins the Big Ten in a few years and HEA is left with 11 teams again. Are we going to raid the ECAC/AHA to get back to 12 again?

 

[boblav1]

Re: Hockey East 2011 - 2012 :

It's one thing if VS/NBC is more inclined to show HE games if ND is a part of the league, but if ND is bringing a deal exclusive to them, with revenue and TV time going to them only, that would be a horrendous move for the league, and should just say no.

I would imagine that is what ND eventually has in mind. Sure the added exposure would be great for many HE teams but sharing in the revenues would be even better.

 

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From my perspective, adding ND does not really add any value to the league. What is it going to get us? Increased travel? A couple of additional away games that (as a fan) are difficult to get to if you want to see your team at an opponents rink? An unbalanced league schedule? Even more league game comitments? Or, if they reduce the schedule to playing every other team once, then we see our traditional rivals one less time per year.

Sounding more and more like its done... but I'm still holding out hope it dosen't happen.

Really, doesn't add any value? Something tells me if Notre Dame joins Hockey East they will be a huge draw.

 

[irishfan85]

Re: Hockey East 2011 - 2012 :

Minnesota has all their games on television. Minnesota has all their games on television. Denver has a lot of their home games on television. The WCHA didn't seem to be too concerned. Maine has a deal where they broadcast a lot of home games on WABI. UNH used to have a deal where they had home games on NHPTV and before that WMUR. BU has had separate deals with NESN then the HE deal and used to have their games on some now defunct channel. Providence has some of their home games on Cox Network. I'm not really sure why all the fuss over Notre Dame wanting to broadcast all home games. If you hate ND and want the league to stay a New England based league, fine, but the TV argument is ridiculous. I'm not a ND hockey fan. I'm a ND football because I grew up with my dad loving ND football, but the Irish have been very mediocre in football lately. Their every home game on NBC and every away game on ESPN, ABC or CSTV hasn't seemed to give them any leg up on the football field.

Also, the attendance for ND games will give the teams in HE a benefit as will the exposure. Like them or hate them, ND draws attention.