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Hockey East 2010-2011

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Re: Hockey East 2010-2011

This UNH freshman class is the weakest since 2002. They are bringing in a 91 goalie who projects as a career backup, two 90 d-men (one was an 09 5th round draft pick who should be ok in the long run) and three forwards. The forwards are a 90 and two 91's and none of whom should have an impact this season.
 
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jcarter7669 said:
I think looking at the draft gives a decent indication

Kevin Hayes (Boston College) Chicago 1 24
Charlie Coyle Boston University San Jose 1 28
Connor Brickley (Vermont) Florida 2 50
Bill Arnold (Boston College) Calgary 4 108
Cody Ferriero (Boston College) San Jose 5 127
Yasin Cisse (Boston University) Atlanta 5 150
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Except that some of the best incoming freshmen are late '92s, eligible for the 2011 draft--Nieto, Clendening, Nick Shore and Oleksiak, to name a few.

Also, Red Line Report is an independent scouting service, not part of the State Journal. As for those May recruit class rankings, didn't Minnesota recently have a few decommits and players pushed back a year?
 
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Rogie21 said:
Except that some of the best incoming freshmen are late '92s, eligible for the 2011 draft--Nieto, Clendening, Nick Shore and Oleksiak, to name a few.

Also, Red Line Report is an independent scouting service, not part of the State Journal. As for those May recruit class rankings, didn't Minnesota recently have a few decommits and players pushed back a year?
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They did, and so did Notre Dame. While you mention the late 92's that will have an impact, there a bunch of 89's matriculating in Hockey East, and they will make their presence known more at the beginning of the season, as it will take the younger guys more time to adjust and develop physically.
 
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Rogie21 said:
Except that some of the best incoming freshmen are late '92s, eligible for the 2011 draft--Nieto, Clendening, Nick Shore and Oleksiak, to name a few.

Also, Red Line Report is an independent scouting service, not part of the State Journal. As for those May recruit class rankings, didn't Minnesota recently have a few decommits and players pushed back a year?
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I don't know, that ranking was taken of a BU blog, so blame them for any errors. I stated I really didn't know much about the incoming classes but that was a ranking that I had found.

Take with a grain of salt.
 
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J.D. said:
LOL :)
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What was so funny? The fact that I didn't bother changing the team name after I copy and pasted it from the HE website?


Have you been smoking something today? There have been way funnier things on the forum then that today...


By the way... where should I ship this?

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Re: Hockey East 2010-2011

Slasher7 said:
Take Samuelsson off that stacked BC roster and put him on Providence or Lowell and he's a top two d-man and likely All-Hockey East. He's probably not even a top 4 dman on his own team, but is better than most in Hockey East.
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Nope

He was not even top top 4 the year before on his USHL team

More importantly, put him on one of the other teams in league and he would get exposed. Change the name and wouldnt know who he was

Solid player who any team would take but would fill same role, depth/shutdown 4-6 type
 
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irishfan85 said:
Name me 20 better...

I come up with potential players you could say or definitely are better than him...

Dumoulin, BC
Cross, BC
Wey, BC
O'Neill, Maine
Dimmen, Maine
Warsofsky, BU
Stollery, MC
Bigos, MC
Medvec, UVM
MacKenzie, UVM
Edwards, UML
Kessel, UNH
Velischek, PC

That's thirteen that I listed that are the top defensemen in Hockey East (returning players). I don't believe all of them are better than Samuelsson, but I was fishing to try and come up with 20 just to show you how stupid your statements are. The sad thing is you have some decent knowledge SOMETIMES, but make outlandish, outrageous comments so you lose all credibility.

Add three to five recruits that you could say are better than Samuelsson potentially and you still only have 18. I'd say it is a safe bet to say he is in the top 15.

It's also safe to say, you sir are a fool.
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Hegerty from Maine is another
Nicastro, who played with him on Steel and was better and still is
Van Dyk, far superior he wopuldnt be top 3 or 4 at Maine
Irwin, UMA, on BC would have 40 pts+ all day
Newton, NE, same thing as Irqin


2 Years in a row at WJC camp ranked worst there, cut first both times. I.e. when straight up without benefit of the doubt, little success.

Straight up in a tryout pool, not close to top 20 in league and others coming in this year who are better.
 
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jcarter7669 said:
What was so funny? The fact that I didn't bother changing the team name after I copy and pasted it from the HE website?


Have you been smoking something today? There have been way funnier things on the forum then that today...


By the way... where should I ship this?

elephant-side.jpg
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Relax, skippy. For once, I wasn't laughing at you. Rather, I was laughing at seeing Ferriero next to Boston College. That's all.

Hokydad said:
More importantly, put him on one of the other teams in league and he would get exposed. Change the anme and wouldnt know who he was
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Hokydad, enough with the politics/name BS. He had a fantastic freshman season. BC fans know this because unlike you, we watched him all year. You didn't get to see every player in Hockey East on a regular basis, so drop the act. Couldn't care less what you have against Samuelsson. He was fine on the ice for BC. Nobody gives a rat's *** how he would do on another team.
 
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Hokydad said:
Solid player who any team would take but would fill same role, depth/shutdown 4-6 type
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LOL. Nice change of tune. Very big of you to actually deliver a compliment. Ranking a dman is misleading. I could easily see Samuelsson playing with Dumoulin, yet that doesn't mean Samuelsson is BC's 2nd best dman.

Hokydad said:
2 Years in a row at WJC camp ranked worst there
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Must have missed it, when did hokydad's official rankings come out?
 
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snwbrdr said:
47 to go

Which HE school has the best incoming class of freshmen and does anyone know enough to take a stab at ranking them by school?

I don't know the classes but I will take a stab at the top of the list:

BU
BC
UVM
NU
after that I have no idea

And who are the top 6 - on paper - freshman forwards?
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I've done some research on the freshman classes and will do some more before the season starts. I'd say you pretty much nailed the top 4, probably in order too. Maine's is pretty good, too, but I'm not sure how many of them are gonna see ice time with all they have coming back. Watch out for Merrimack's, too. They have some older guys who dominated Canadian juniors -- forwards Mike Collins, Rhett Bly and Shawn Bates and d-men Brendan Ellis and Jordan Heywood. Like Maine, though, I'm not sure how many of them are gonna see regular playing time.

Hokydad said:
Hegerty from Maine is another
Nicastro, who played with him on Steel and was better and still is
Van Dyk, far superior he wopuldnt be top 3 or 4 at Maine
Irwin, UMA, on BC would have 40 pts+ all day
Newton, NE, same thing as Irqin
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Irwin and Newton are both gone.
 
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Hokydad, enough with the politics/name BS. He had a fantastic freshman season. BC fans know this because unlike you, we watched him all year. You didn't get to see every player in Hockey East on a regular basis, so drop the act. Couldn't care less what you have against Samuelsson. He was fine on the ice for BC. Nobody gives a rat's *** how he would do on another team.[/QUOTE]

He did not have a fantastic rookie season. He was ok on a fantastic team.

I watched at least 10 BC games and saw the same stuff year before when I saw him with Steele. Same as the WJC camp where I watched last year.

Go read the blogs on him on HFboards under Pittsburgh. Think Boston fans are tough on him. Look and see what a hockeytown where his dad is liked rates him.

Dumoulin was +40, thats a fantastic rookie season. For crying out loud Ed Shea and Patch Alber both had better +/- than he did

His success was playing for BC
 
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Hokydad said:
Solid player who any team would take but would fill same role, depth/shutdown 4-6 type
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While I'm in agreement with you that he was ok last year and not spectacular, let's be honest... Rob Scuderi was also a 4-6 type and was never spectacular. He was CRIMINALLY underrated in his 4 years here and was overshadowed by a lot of talent as well (Allen, Mottau, Forrest, Orpik, heck even Brendan Buckley). Samuelsson will be overshadowed by Dumoulin, Wey, Sneep (1 year), and others. And no I'm not saying he's as good as Scuderi (who was amazing if you actually watched him individually).

I think he has upside. And his consistency wasn't really an issue, he really didn't have terrible games, just consistently ok/good with a few flashes here and there.

Hokydad said:
Go read the blogs on him on HFboards under Pittsburgh. Think Boston fans are tough on him. Look and see what a hockeytown where his dad is liked rates him.
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In all fairness, the discussion on the Pittsburgh hfboard about Samuelsson's lack of participation earlier this summer in their camp was one of the dumber things I've ever read on the internet (ever, and I've read a lot of stuff from some of the more dumber fanbases in all of sports... like Uconn, Rutgers, and WVU fans). Those people there are so retarded that even USCHO hadn't seen posting on that level of mind-numbingly stupid (prior to the arrival of Belo Brasil and Osorojo, of course).
 
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Federal League said:
I've done some research on the freshman classes and will do some more before the season starts. I'd say you pretty much nailed the top 4, probably in order too. Maine's is pretty good, too, but I'm not sure how many of them are gonna see ice time with all they have coming back. Watch out for Merrimack's, too. They have some older guys who dominated Canadian juniors -- forwards Mike Collins, Rhett Bly and Shawn Bates and d-men Brendan Ellis and Jordan Heywood. Like Maine, though, I'm not sure how many of them are gonna see regular playing time.
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Merrimack's class is strong, it definitely doesn't have the same ink that the top 4 get, but they will be solid. My guess is Ellis and Heywood will both see a good amount of ice time this year with Bowen and Sadlowski having graduated. I could also see Collins getting a ton of ice time, he's won two RBC Cups in his two years in the BCHL. Bly and Bates will need to carve out a niche, just like Elliott Sheen (PK), Brandon Brodhag (crashing the net) and Ryan Flanigan (wrecking ball) have.
 
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Hokydad said:
Nope

He was not even top top 4 the year before on his USHL team

More importantly, put him on one of the other teams in league and he would get exposed. Change the name and wouldnt know who he was

Solid player who any team would take but would fill same role, depth/shutdown 4-6 type
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Sure thing. Apparently you not only know the future, but also what would happen in alter universes, too. He should probably just quit hockey and pick up ping pong and forget where he was drafted in the NHL by scouts who actually know what the hell they are talking about and listen to a whackjob such as yourself.
 
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WarriorDJ said:
Merrimack's class is strong, it definitely doesn't have the same ink that the top 4 get, but they will be solid. My guess is Ellis and Heywood will both see a good amount of ice time this year with Bowen and Sadlowski having graduated. I could also see Collins getting a ton of ice time, he's won two RBC Cups in his two years in the BCHL. Bly and Bates will need to carve out a niche, just like Elliott Sheen (PK), Brandon Brodhag (crashing the net) and Ryan Flanigan (wrecking ball) have.
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Yeah, I'd say Collins and Ellis have the best shot at being every game players. I see Heywood competing with Demers (who I think has a chance to be pretty good himself) for the 6th D spot. And you're absolutely right about Bly and Bates. They'll have to really earn anything more than the occasional 4th-line appearance given the veteran grinder-types MC has coming back.
 
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