Hockey East 2010-2011

[KnowItAll]

Re: Hockey East 2010-2011

not dressing was clearinghouse issues, zero to do with play

kreider was sick and lost a good chunk of what he gained in early summer, word of putting on 20 is not accurate. had a thing called, I think, CMV, mono without the swelling of the spleen. knocked him out for 4 or 5 weeks
he will have a good year, a very good year

decosta killed ducks camp and will be a player

who was it at beg of year who said he would be a top player, before he played a game??

da Costa was the ONLY player I have seen make a monkey out of Nyquist... NONE of the BU NHLers did that during Nyquist's freshman season. (Gilroy and company)

I absolutely LOVE seeing DaCosta play... I think I said that i really think he might be right up there with BGionta, PK... better than Krog and Haydar

 

[J.D.]

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Those of us who closely follow BC remember Cam's statement when he was recruited to BC. In essence he said that he was to be the next Gerbe.

I follow BC closely and don't remember anything like that--but there's no doubt he was supposed to be a very good player. You still have to go out there and prove it on the ice. Cam has done that, but he didn't do it right away...that's all I was getting at.

 

[FiveHole12]

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I follow BC closely and don't remember anything like that--but there's no doubt he was supposed to be a very good player. You still have to go out there and prove it on the ice. Cam has done that, but he didn't do it right away...that's all I was getting at.

I remember reading it in one article. But it was more like... the coaches expectation of him was to be Gerbe's replacement (scoring).
Nate didn't light it up as a frosh either, but he sure was fun to watch.
I'm really looking forward to seeing this BC team this year. If they keep their heads on straight, we could witness something pretty special. Lots of talent there, and if just a few more breakout... holy crap.

 

[jcarter7669]

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What do you consider at first? He didn't dress in the opening weekend series at North Dakota. That's not a big deal at all. Look at his nine game Hockey East stretch during the first semester from October 30-December 12:

4-9-13

Trust me, people, especially HE coaches, took notice early.



As you said, not a tremendous drop off. Even if teams only started to pay attention to him down the stretch, he still put up good numbers despite not having the surrounding talent like an Atkinson or Nyquist. Merrimack was hardly an overlooked team last year.



At what point did Atkinson become a known? He only had seven goals as a Freshman.



Put it on the table...you don't think Da Costa will have the numbers he did as a freshman?

1.) the statement that he didn't play the first few games was only to make the numbers work so someone didn't get all upset that I was basing his play on only a subset of games. He didn't play, I don't really care why. It was just a note. Jeez JD you really need to drop the defensive stance. Not everything is an argument.

2.) As you note he was 4-9-13 in his first 9 games, I'm not sure how you figured that since he was 5-0-5 in his first game, somewhere he lost a goal? No matter, the importance his first game was a 5 point effort, so he put up 9 goals in2-9 games... it's not bad, but hardly stellar, and of note he played a freshman load BC team twice that were good but hadn't necessarily gelled yet, Army, and a very shaky BU team. I'm sure while that 5 goal effort raised an eyebrow, I would think most coaches simply dismissed it as a bit of a fluke.

3.) His drop off wasn't significant, I'm not trying to say Da Costa is an average or even above average player. As I stated he will IMO be a top 5 forward, I just don't think he is at the level of Nyquist and Atkinson. And as one of the MC fans noted, Da Costa likely played a Sh1t ton more then Atkinson especially. More TOI leads to more opportunity to score... Maybe we should look at points per ice time. With regards to MC being overlooked, where exactly were there in the pre-season coaches poll?

4.) Yes, you are absolutly correct, I don't think Da Costa will surpass his freshman year totals, at least not by very much. Put it on the table? I have several times, it's not like I'm trying to dance around the issue. I have stated it already and I will again. I think Da Costa will have at the least a leveling off in production and likely a drop in points. Opposing teams and coaches will focus in on him, and MC doesn't have the supporting cast to overcome that. I maybe wrong but that's my predicition.

 

[jdevoejr]

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I follow BC closely and don't remember anything like that--but there's no doubt he was supposed to be a very good player. You still have to go out there and prove it on the ice. Cam has done that, but he didn't do it right away...that's all I was getting at.

I remember reading it and thinking that it sounded pretty arrogant. Maybe I took it out of context but it didn't make the best first impression. I've since gotten to know him a little and can't say a bad word about him. Nice kid, friendly and very down to earth....and a heck of a hockey player to boot.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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Da Costa likely played a Sh1t ton more then Atkinson especially. More TOI leads to more opportunity to score... Maybe we should look at points per ice time.

The advantage of playing more is the added opportunities you get by being on the ice more. The disadvantage is that you're more tired during a lot of that ice time, especially as the game winds down (although he did have some big goals late in a few games towards the end of the season IIRC). In the end, I still think the advantage outweighs the disadvantage because you can work on conditioning and mitigate that to some degree.

4.) Yes, you are absolutly correct, I don't think Da Costa will surpass his freshman year totals, at least not by very much.

I'm leaning towards agreeing with you here for one of the big reasons I stated above yesterday - I think the other teams will gameplan for him and force the others to get it done.

 

[J.D.]

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1.) the statement that he didn't play the first few games was only to make the numbers work so someone didn't get all upset that I was basing his play on only a subset of games. He didn't play, I don't really care why. It was just a note. Jeez JD you really need to drop the defensive stance. Not everything is an argument.

It was two games...doesn't really matter in any context. Why would I be defensive about Da Costa and Merrimack? That doesn't make any sense. It's a message board...you posted and I responded. Funny how that works.

2.) As you note he was 4-9-13 in his first 9 games, I'm not sure how you figured that since he was 5-0-5 in his first game, somewhere he lost a goal?

Do you know how to read?

And as one of the MC fans noted, Da Costa likely played a Sh1t ton more then Atkinson especially. More TOI leads to more opportunity to score... Maybe we should look at points per ice time. With regards to MC being overlooked, where exactly were there in the pre-season coaches poll?

Da Costa almost certainly got more ice time, but I really don't think it would be some huge margin. Plus, he still had to produce with far less talent around him than some other top players. As far as being overlooked, I thought you meant by teams/coaches/players, no? If so, a preseason poll is meaningless. Maybe fans overlooked them at first, but that's not how college teams at this level of competition operate.

4.) Yes, you are absolutly correct, I don't think Da Costa will surpass his freshman year totals, at least not by very much. Put it on the table? I have several times, it's not like I'm trying to dance around the issue. I have stated it already and I will again. I think Da Costa will have at the least a leveling off in production and likely a drop in points. Opposing teams and coaches will focus in on him, and MC doesn't have the supporting cast to overcome that. I maybe wrong but that's my predicition.

Fair enough. By all accounts, Merrimack has a pretty good class for them this year and some other good players returning. I think coaches were already paying attention to him last year. A good player is a good player...I'll take the over.

 

[SteveF]

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i'm pretty sure edwin shea made a monkey out of nyquist too when he stapled him into the glass during one of nyquist's fancy 'spin away from the defender move'

 

[jcarter7669]

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It was two games...doesn't really matter in any context. Why would I be defensive about Da Costa and Merrimack? That doesn't make any sense.

I know that's why I asked... A lot of your responses and their tones don't make sense in the context of the conversation...

Do you know how to read?

If I didn't how would I know what your wrote here Do you? I'm not sure from your response you actually read the part of my post you quoted...

Da Costa almost certainly got more ice time, but I really don't think it would be some huge margin. Plus, he still had to produce with far less talent around him than some other top players. As far as being overlooked, I thought you meant by teams/coaches/players, no? If so, a preseason poll is meaningless. Maybe fans overlooked them at first, but that's not how college teams at this level of competition operate.

A preseason coaches poll that put MC near the bottom wouldn't be an indication of what they thought about them? So I suppose when they annually put PC at the bottom they head into the weekend series with the mentality that they are playing BC and not PC... I understand at this level its not quite to the same degree but say you are playing a weekend against BC and MC. Two different teams, two different styles of play... which team do you spend the week of practice focusing on...

Fair enough. By all accounts, Merrimack has a pretty good class for them this year and some other good players returning. I think coaches were already paying attention to him last year. A good player is a good player...I'll take the over.

Your on. What's the bet? You don't respond to my post if I win, I ignore yours if you win....

BTW MC was picked 10th last season by the coaches....even behind PC

 

[jcarter7669]

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The advantage of playing more is the added opportunities you get by being on the ice more. The disadvantage is that you're more tired during a lot of that ice time, especially as the game winds down (although he did have some big goals late in a few games towards the end of the season IIRC). In the end, I still think the advantage outweighs the disadvantage because you can work on conditioning and mitigate that to some degree.



I'm leaning towards agreeing with you here for one of the big reasons I stated above yesterday - I think the other teams will gameplan for him and force the others to get it done.

Did you just agree with (more or less) twice? What is the world coming too

 

[J.D.]

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I know that's why I asked... A lot of your responses and their tones don't make sense in the context of the conversation...

Again, responding to a message board post when your opinion is different...that's not being defensive. As for your other false claims, why can't you just stick to what we're talking about? Seems easy enough.

If I didn't how would I know what your wrote here Do you? I'm not sure from your response you actually read the part of my post you quoted...

LOL. How old are you? Have you ever heard of sarcasm? Don't play dumb. Obviously you can read, but you completely misread or didn't read the part of my post about Da Costa's nine game Hockey East stretch from the end of October until the end of the first semester. That's where he put up a 4-9-13 line...right in front of all the league's coaches.

A preseason coaches poll that put MC near the bottom wouldn't be an indication of what they thought about them? So I suppose when they annually put PC at the bottom they head into the weekend series with the mentality that they are playing BC and not PC... I understand at this level its not quite to the same degree but say you are playing a weekend against BC and MC. Two different teams, two different styles of play... which team do you spend the week of practice focusing on...

Any preseason poll is meaningless, doesn't matter if it's conducted by coaches. It's irrelevant. A coach doesn't carry around his preseason predictions and then prepare based off of that. When the season starts, everyone's on level footing. As we've seen in Hockey East last year, you can't take any opponent for granted--especially off some stupid, silly preseason predictions.

Your on. What's the bet? You don't respond to my post if I win, I ignore yours if you win....

When I win, you have to wear a personalized John Muse jersey to every hockey game you attend.

 

[jcarter7669]

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Obviously you can read, but you completely misread or didn't read the part of my post about Da Costa's nine game Hockey East stretch from the end of October until the end of the first semester. That's where he put up a 4-9-13 line...right in front of all the league's coaches.


When I win, you have to wear a personalized John Muse jersey to every hockey game you attend.

I see, you are correct I totally read it as the first nine games he played. However, as I noted earlier he finished at closer to 1.2 ppg whereas you point out early on he was at 1.44ppg indicating that perhaps he was...despite playing more, getting some increased attention. If you factor in he played some of those first games as a 4th liner and finised on the top lines then it becomes an even greater decline.

WIll it be signed? Then maybe...but definitely not if it came out of Hokydad's closet. And what exactly will you wear if I win...

 

[J.D.]

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WIll it be signed? Then maybe...but definitely not if it came out of Hokydad's closet. And what exactly will you wear if I win...

We can probably get it signed. Has any goalie ever won three national titles?

I will don an elephant costume.

 

[jcarter7669]

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Any preseason poll is meaningless, doesn't matter if it's conducted by coaches. It's irrelevant.
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Yes the poll in itself is irrelevant, but in terms of discussion of what the coaches think of a team going into the season... preconceptions... it is in fact very relevent. They clearly didn't think much of MC listing them dead last. JMO.

 

[jcarter7669]

Re: Hockey East 2010-2011

We can probably get it signed. Has any goalie ever won three national titles?

I will don an elephant costume.

That's funny. If you can get Muse to sign it, deal! One Elephant costume v. One BC jersey...

Oh yeah, and you have to take a picture and post it here on USCHO

 

[J.D.]

Re: Hockey East 2010-2011

Yes the poll in itself is irrelevant, but in terms of discussion of what the coaches think of a team going into the season... preconceptions... it is in fact very relevent. They clearly didn't think much of MC listing them dead last. JMO.

I agree, but once the season starts, you prepare for every team like you can be beat.

 

[Hokydad]

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What did Jcarter take time off from managing his fantasy league baseball team? He just makes crap up and has zero info or background to give an opinion on any player. I knew the first time I saw Da Costa play that he was exceptional and was the first one to state it here. Told that to the MC asst almost 2 years ago the first time they watched him in USHL.

He will have a better year this year than last.

 

[J.D.]

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Hokydad, you really never do get tired of blowing yourself...err own horn.

Not to mention you call out jcarter for making stuff up...pot, kettle. Here is a link to the 2009-2010 Merrimack thread:

Click

One of the first posts is about how good of a season MC has had so far...where is a post from you prior to the season stating how good Da Costa would be?

 

[Slasher7]

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What did Jcarter take time off from managing his fantasy league baseball team? He just makes crap up and has zero info or background to give an opinion on any player. I knew the first time I saw Da Costa play that he was exceptional and was the first one to state it here. Told that to the MC asst almost 2 years ago the first time they watched him in USHL.

He will have a better year this year than last.

You are such a joke. You drop more names than Peter King or Peter Gammons combined.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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Hokydad, you really never do get tired of blowing yourself...err own horn.

He really seems to enjoy patting himself on the back. It's probably because the act of doing so makes his hand touch the "Warsofsky" nameplate on the back of his jersey and gets him all excited.