Hobey Hat Trick

[Dirty]

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Sure looks like it to me. I know a guy on the committee, I'll have to e-mail him and see what the hell they were thinking with Frattin and Atkinson in the Hat Trick. Sure looks like they blew that criteria.

Is it Sid Hartman?

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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Sure looks like it to me. I know a guy on the committee, I'll have to e-mail him and see what the hell they were thinking with Frattin and Atkinson in the Hat Trick. Sure looks like they blew that criteria.

You'll have to ask him as well if they look at everything about the player from the day they were born, or just what happened in the one particular season that the award is voted on.

 

[Bronzebacks]

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Miele wins!

 

[JB]

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Of course!

Ugh! I didn't know some much had been invested in something that is not a good fork or spoon.

However, bottom of page 8 - scroll about 2/3ths of the way down. As enjoyable as it is, I didn't know "that" was also considered a spork.

 

[cross cheque]

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You'll have to ask him as well if they look at everything about the player from the day they were born, or just what happened in the one particular season that the award is voted on.

I believe in some cases the parents arrest records are checked too. I believe it was Happy who called the Alberta records and arrest information center when Duncan was a candidate. Ryan's mom had a parking ticket that had gone unpaid so Happy dismissed Duncan immediately and called for his beheading, I think Tyler Hirsch was to be the executioner but he had to be in court because a net was pressing charges for assault or something.

 

[dogs2012]

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IMHO, the comments in that story, in this thread, and to just about every Hobey story or blog out there have gone way overboard regarding Matt Frattin, both for and against.

I'll be the first to say too many of my fellow UND fans are overreacting to comments or criticisms of Matt's past mistakes. But it hasn't been a one way street either.

If any of the 3 finalists win, I'll be fine with that. They are all clearly deserving, as were the other seven who weren't named to the Hat Trick. Pretty hard to argue that Atkinson, Miele or Frattin aren't among the best in all of college hockey this year.

I suspect if Matt Frattin doesn't win, and if you even told him it was because of his off-ice events of 2 years ago and the follow up suspension, the Matt Frattin who returned, and who we've had the pleasure of watching for the last 1 1/2 seasons would be ok with that. I bet he'd be the first to tell you that he made some mistakes, and he has to learn (and has learned) to live with the consequences of those mistakes.

If that's the case, and everything I've seen and heard this year causes me to believe it so, then that change in his character and maturity is going to serve him far better during the remainder of his life than some award and trophy.

Just my two cents.

Good post, and I agree exactly with what you are saying. Sioux fans are correct in their statements that Frattin is a great story of a kid with past issues that worked his a** off and made it up to his teammates, his fans, and his community.

With that being said, I don't think Frattin is deserving of the award. Yes, his skill set is phenomenal and he is a top notch player who is probably going to make a name for himself at the next level. But, and it's a big but, he has had (multiple) prior issues off the ice (the hit on wehrs was just awesome, kid needs to keep his head up) and even though the offenses weren't during this season, I don't see how they wouldn't count. The Hobey Baker award is given out to someone with outstanding character both on and off the ice. He has shown that on the ice, but he's proven a liability up to this season. If Atkinson supporters can say he helped them win a Championship last year why can we not say that Frattin's problems last year shouldn't be considered as well.

Just something to think about.

 

[cross cheque]

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Good post, and I agree exactly with what you are saying. Sioux fans are correct in their statements that Frattin is a great story of a kid with past issues that worked his a** off and made it up to his teammates, his fans, and his community.

With that being said, I don't think Frattin is deserving of the award. Yes, his skill set is phenomenal and he is a top notch player who is probably going to make a name for himself at the next level. But, and it's a big but, he has had (multiple) prior issues off the ice (the hit on wehrs was just awesome, kid needs to keep his head up) and even though the offenses weren't during this season, I don't see how they wouldn't count. The Hobey Baker award is given out to someone with outstanding character both on and off the ice. He has shown that on the ice, but he's proven a liability up to this season. If Atkinson supporters can say he helped them win a Championship last year why can we not say that Frattin's problems last year shouldn't be considered as well.

Just something to think about.

I have no problem with Frattin not winning the Hobey but if it's because of off ice character then I think Atkinson should be eliminated from Hobey consideration for his part in 3rd degree assault of minors in 2008, fair is fair.

 

[goldy_331]

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Is it Sid Hartman?

Just 'cause I'm old, it doesn't mean I know Sid.

 

[SoCalSiouxFan]

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You'll have to ask him as well if they look at everything about the player from the day they were born, or just what happened in the one particular season that the award is voted on.

If you judge a player by his character in 2010-2011 then Frattin should win. No contest. North Dakota sets the bar high for performance on the ice and off the ice. And he is at the top of the class in what is arguably the best college hockey program in the nation.

The Sioux are seen as the favorite to win the national championship this season largely because of team leadership which is a big part of their success. Among the Sioux players, Frattin's on ice performance speaks for itself as a team leader, and none of the Sioux players have set the bar higher, have worked harder, or have pushed teammates to succeed more than Matt Frattin.

When he returned at the start of the season he was in the best physical condition of all the Sioux players. He leads the nation in Goals and leads his team in Points and is second in Shooting % at 19.9%. Not bad for a player that is primarily a defensive forward.

Most impressive aspect of his game is his defensive skills. As defensive forward and as a Sioux senior he has developed defensive skills that set him apart from other Hobey candidates. The Fighting Sioux lead the WCHA in fewest goals against. He is a force in the defensive zone. It is difficult to knock him off his feet and he is capable of delivering devistating checks. He is 2nd in +/- for the Sioux with a +28 and serves on the penalty kill unit.


Check out his personal stats for yourself.

http://www.fightingsioux.com/f...

 

[claver2010]

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If you judge a player by his character in 2010-2011 then Frattin should win. No contest. North Dakota sets the bar high for performance on the ice and off the ice. And he is at the top of the class in what is arguably the best college hockey program in the nation.

The Sioux are seen as the favorite to win the national championship this season largely because of team leadership which is a big part of their success. Among the Sioux players none have set the bar higher, have worked harder, or have pushed teammates to succeed more than Matt Frattin.

When he returned at the start of the season he was in the best physical condition of all the Sioux players. He leads the nation in Goals and leads his team in Points and is second in Shooting % at 19.9%. Not bad for a player that is primarily a defensive forward.

Most impressive aspect of his game is his defensive skills. As defensive forward and as a Sioux senior he has developed defensive skills that set him apart from other Hobey candidates. The Fighting Sioux lead the WCHA in fewest goals against. He is a force in the defensive zone. It is difficult to knock him off his feet and he is capable of delivering devistating checks. He is 2nd in +/- for the Sioux with a +28 and serves on the penalty kill unit.


Check out his personal stats for yourself.

http://www.fightingsioux.com/f...


Read more: http://www.uscho.com/podcasts/2011/...ast-episode-11-hobey-hat-trick/#ixzz1ICaEf6ma

I appreciate the bolding of certain statistics. It was very helpful in calling my attention to your point.

Can you advise me on how to read a podcast? You must have been a Tourism & Rec major.

 

[dogs2012]

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I have no problem with Frattin not winning the Hobey but if it's because of off ice character then I think Atkinson should be eliminated from Hobey consideration for his part in 3rd degree assault of minors in 2008, fair is fair.

I can agree with that. Although I don't think Atkinson should have been in the Hat Trick in the first place. Yes I'm bitter

 

[Runninwiththedogs]

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If you judge a player by his character in 2010-2011 then Frattin should win. No contest. North Dakota sets the bar high for performance on the ice and off the ice. And he is at the top of the class in what is arguably the best college hockey program in the nation.

The Sioux are seen as the favorite to win the national championship this season largely because of team leadership which is a big part of their success. Among the Sioux players, Frattin's on ice performance speaks for itself as a team leader, and none of the Sioux players have set the bar higher, have worked harder, or have pushed teammates to succeed more than Matt Frattin.

When he returned at the start of the season he was in the best physical condition of all the Sioux players. He leads the nation in Goals and leads his team in Points and is second in Shooting % at 19.9%. Not bad for a player that is primarily a defensive forward.

I'm sorry, but there's really no way for you to know how hard any of the other candidates worked. Other coaches have exceptionally high standards too, and other players have exceptionally high standards for themselves, too. Are you implying that you know as a fact that Matt Frattin worked out more than any other Hobey candidate, had better physical conditioning than any other Hobey candidate (did you put them through a combine?), and is the best leader of any of the candidates (based on I assume observations of all the candidates during practice, team meetings, locker rooms between periods, etc)?

You can point to all the stats you want because you have documented evidence. But you cannot prove that Matt Frattin "worked harder" than the other candidates.

 

[cross cheque]

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I'm sorry, but there's really no way for you to know how hard any of the other candidates worked. Other coaches have exceptionally high standards too, and other players have exceptionally high standards for themselves, too. Are you implying that you know as a fact that Matt Frattin worked out more than any other Hobey candidate, had better physical conditioning than any other Hobey candidate (did you put them through a combine?), and is the best leader of any of the candidates (based on I assume observations of all the candidates during practice, team meetings, locker rooms between periods, etc)?

You can point to all the stats you want because you have documented evidence. But you cannot prove that Matt Frattin "worked harder" than the other candidates.

I'm going to let you re-read the post you responded to before I say anything more then you can edit or delete your post.

If you judge a player by his character in 2010-2011 then Frattin should win. No contest. North Dakota sets the bar high for performance on the ice and off the ice. And he is at the top of the class in what is arguably the best college hockey program in the nation.

The Sioux are seen as the favorite to win the national championship this season largely because of team leadership which is a big part of their success. Among the Sioux players, Frattin's on ice performance speaks for itself as a team leader, and none of the Sioux players have set the bar higher, have worked harder, or have pushed teammates to succeed more than Matt Frattin.

When he returned at the start of the season he was in the best physical condition of all the Sioux players. He leads the nation in Goals and leads his team in Points and is second in Shooting % at 19.9%. Not bad for a player that is primarily a defensive forward.

 

[cross cheque]

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I can agree with that. Although I don't think Atkinson should have been in the Hat Trick in the first place. Yes I'm bitter

I would be too, tUMD's entire first line could be in the Hat Trick. I also thought Jayden Schwartz should have been there and would be a shoe in to win it if he hadn't been injured.

 

[SoCalSiouxFan]

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I'm sorry, but there's really no way for you to know how hard any of the other candidates worked. Other coaches have exceptionally high standards too, and other players have exceptionally high standards for themselves, too. Are you implying that you know as a fact that Matt Frattin worked out more than any other Hobey candidate, had better physical conditioning than any other Hobey candidate (did you put them through a combine?), and is the best leader of any of the candidates (based on I assume observations of all the candidates during practice, team meetings, locker rooms between periods, etc)?

You can point to all the stats you want because you have documented evidence. But you cannot prove that Matt Frattin "worked harder" than the other candidates.

Your reading compreshension needs improvement.

Of all the Fighting Sioux players Frattin worked the hardest. In the preseason Matt Frattin was mentioned as the player that returned in the best physical condition.

Also collectively the Sioux do seem to be able to outwork their opponents in most games. Sioux have played a lot of opponents and over the course of most 60 minute games they generally outwork their opponents. And especially now at the end of the season you can almost expect the Sioux to outwork their opponents.

IMO he is the hardest working player of the hardest working team.

 

[MUOnly7492]

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Andy Miele is an 18.6% shooter (not too far behind Frattin), has 24 goals (not a small number by any means), leads the nation in assists (which have a 1:1 ratio with a goal being scored), was second on Miami with +22 (Reilly Smith had +27) and also plays on the penalty kill unit. And don't even say that Frattin's defensive capabilities "set him apart from the other candidates". I wouldn't be surprised if you hadn't even watched Miami at all this year, given that Miami DOES have plenty of skilled two way forwards, Andy Miele being one of them.

Sounds like a coin flip to me, both (well, all three) are great candidates.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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Sounds like a coin flip to me, both (well, all three) are great candidates.

I agree. I watched Miele, and Miami, about a half dozen times this season and he was great in all except one. If Miele wins the Hobey Baker, he deserves it. The same can be said for either Frattin or Atkinson. I also hope, if Miele wins, that people don't diminish that accomplishment by saying that the only reason he won was because the other two had issues in their past. Miele has the credentials to be Hobey Baker.

 

[Driftryder]

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I appreciate the bolding of certain statistics. It was very helpful in calling my attention to your point.

Can you advise me on how to read a podcast? You must have been a Tourism & Rec major.

This made me laugh out loud, I'm not sure why, but it's really funny.

 

[ecbrevik]

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I agree with not questioning that pathologic fan-base, but the point was NoDak has a huge drop-off in scoring from their top scorer (#2 in the nation) to their 2nd leading scorer (tied for 27th in the nation).

OK, I'm sick of reading your "Frattin is a puck-hogging prima donna" posts. So lets see what the numbers actually say...

UND has 5 guys in the top 50 in scoring, Frattin (36-24-60), Knight (14-30-44), Gregoire (25-18-43), Trupp (17-24-41), and Malone (16-24-40).

Michigan has 1 guy in the top 50, Hagelin (18-30-48).

Michigan's second leading scorer is Caporusso (11-19-30). Caporusso's 30 points are only 62.5% of Hagelin's 48 points. If we look at UND, Knight's 44 points are 73.3% of Frattin's 60, Gregoire's 43 are 71.6% of Frattin's 60, Trupp's 41 is 68.3% of Frattin's 60, and Malone's 40 points are 66.6% of Frattin's 60.

So, UND has at least 4 guys who scored a minimum of 66% as many points as their leading scorer. Michigan doesn't have a single player who got within 63% of their leading scorer's point total. So, using these comparisons and your logic, if either team has a "puck-hogging prima donna", its Michigan.

 

[Runninwiththedogs]

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Your reading compreshension needs improvement.

Of all the Fighting Sioux players Frattin worked the hardest. In the preseason Matt Frattin was mentioned as the player that returned in the best physical condition.

Also collectively the Sioux do seem to be able to outwork their opponents in most games. Sioux have played a lot of opponents and over the course of most 60 minute games they generally outwork their opponents. And especially now at the end of the season you can almost expect the Sioux to outwork their opponents.

IMO he is the hardest working player of the hardest working team.

You cannot prove that Matt Frattin is even the hardest working player on the team. What about when Genoway bag-skated himself after a tough game? I never heard that Frattin did that. Wouldn't that imply Genoway is working harder? What about a guy like Genoway or Gregoire who is coming back from injury? Doesn't an injured player have to work much harder to get back in shape and rehab his injury than a guy who isn't injured? What about a guy like Gregoire who is majoring in finance or investments or whatever? Doesn't he have to work harder than a guy in Tourism studies?

BOX.