Hey Massachusetts! Coakley or Brown?

[mookie1995]

Re: Hey Massachusetts! Coakley or Brown?

what is with this broadview security commercial!?!?!?!! where do these people live?!?!!?

 

[Handyman]

Re: Hey Massachusetts! Coakley or Brown?

But I thought they were all Canadians. How can they be elected?

All they need is an Act of Congress...plus it paves the way for the future election of THE PRESIDENTANOR!

Thus proving Demolition Man is actually a documentary sent back from the future!

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Hey Massachusetts! Coakley or Brown?

I am trying to the "Capra-esque" belief alive in my head that things can work out if people want them to. Part of that is because I am going to be teaching Social Studies and need to have that type of mentality and also because I want to believe that this country is as great as I did when I was 10. I want to believe that Mr. Smith Goes To Washington is possible, that everyone counts and has a voice. I want to think that in the end we will end up on the side of right (little r not big R) because of the adversarial system.

I was better off when I didnt know too much, because the more I learn, the more ticked off I get.

Here, I wrote your curriculum for you.

1st Day:
-Introduce yourself
-Tell class they're "all ****ed no matter what happens"
-Recess for rest of the year

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Hey Massachusetts! Coakley or Brown?

All they need is an Act of Congress...plus it paves the way for the future election of THE PRESIDENTANOR!

Thus proving Demolition Man is actually a documentary sent back from the future!

Hey, teach, Congressmen don't have to be born on US soil - or born citizens even - to be elected. That's only the POTUS.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Hey Massachusetts! Coakley or Brown?

Hey, teach, Congressmen don't have to be born on US soil - or born citizens even - to be elected. That's only the POTUS.

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[mookie1995]

Re: Hey Massachusetts! Coakley or Brown?

barbara boxer bye-bye would be sweet....

 

[BoomGoestheDynamite]

Re: Hey Massachusetts! Coakley or Brown?

From where I sit the guy (or people) who deserve a huge amount of credit for Brown's win is the guy who prepped him for David Gergen's question in the debate about "Teddy Kennedy's seat." That business about it's not Kennedy's seat, it's not the Democrats' seat, it's the people's seat was perfect--a towering homer over the center field wall. The sort of thing a candidate preps for hoping there's some fool out there who will give them a chance to use the line (Lloyd Bentsen: "I was a friend of JFK's, etc.").

It just seems like after the debate, the air went out of Marcia's balloon. 'Course, in the debate she talked about her foreign policy experience based on her sister's address and the "fact" that there aren't any terrorists left in Afghanistan.

But that one answer seemed to crystalize his candidacy and established him as a guy who was standing up to the dynastic assertions of the Democrats. After all, they NAMED this health care monstrosity after Teddy.

Even a bad Democratic candidate like Marcia should be able to win in Massachusetts. It wasn't all Obamacare either. It was allowing panty boy to lawyer up, civil trials for terror suspects instead of military tribunals, dropping the ball on Fort Hood and the inability to say it was Islamist terrorism and not some poor "Dr." who slipped his clutch. A feeling that this administration isn't really certain about who the enemy is (or if we even have one) and how to deal with him.

Pio, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree here. I think it was the perception that Dems are dithering about on their pet health care project while the economy is still on fire that is mostly responsible. It seems like the population (wrongly imo) is starting to suffer from war fatigue than a desire to pursue the war on terror more aggressively.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Hey Massachusetts! Coakley or Brown?

barbara boxer bye-bye would be sweet....

That's SENATOR Boxer, punk. I'd like to wave bye bye to that former RINO Arlen Spector, too.

 

[Patman]

Re: Hey Massachusetts! Coakley or Brown?

I am trying to the "Capra-esque" belief alive in my head that things can work out if people want them to. Part of that is because I am going to be teaching Social Studies and need to have that type of mentality and also because I want to believe that this country is as great as I did when I was 10. I want to believe that Mr. Smith Goes To Washington is possible, that everyone counts and has a voice. I want to think that in the end we will end up on the side of right (little r not big R) because of the adversarial system.

I was better off when I didnt know too much, because the more I learn, the more ticked off I get.

When can the people succeed... they can succeed when enough people believe just that. The reality is people suck... right now... acknowledge it yes, but realize it can be better if enough people strive to make it that way... because otherwise it won't. I'm not saying that one person is going to change it all... but if you don't try then you certainly won't get there.

edit: you want to change washington then you have to change the hearts of those who end up there. That's all... tall order, sure, but it doesn't start by saying it can't be done.

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Hey Massachusetts! Coakley or Brown?

Pio, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree here. I think it was the perception that Dems are dithering about on their pet health care project while the economy is still on fire that is mostly responsible. It seems like the population (wrongly imo) is starting to suffer from war fatigue than a desire to pursue the war on terror more aggressively.

celinda lake's email had a bit of truth to it.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Hey Massachusetts! Coakley or Brown?

Hey, teach, Congressmen don't have to be born on US soil - or born citizens even - to be elected. That's only the POTUS.

Yes I know, but I was riffing off where Dirty went...plus it let me reference Demolition Man which is not something I get to do very often

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Hey Massachusetts! Coakley or Brown?

Pio, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree here. I think it was the perception that Dems are dithering about on their pet health care project while the economy is still on fire that is mostly responsible. It seems like the population (wrongly imo) is starting to suffer from war fatigue than a desire to pursue the war on terror more aggressively.

I'm going to respectfully disagree with you BGtD... It's not just health care, or the war, or the stimulus. It's the blatant corruption that is going on in politics. Buying senators votes, ramming bills through using "the nuclear option", letting unions out of paying taxes on their health care like the rest of the "cadillac options", and other things like that. The people realized that not only were the dems just as bad as the repubs, they just handed them the keys to the bugatti and watched them do this:

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[Handyman]

Re: Hey Massachusetts! Coakley or Brown?

When can the people succeed... they can succeed when enough people believe just that. The reality is people suck... right now... acknowledge it yes, but realize it can be better if enough people strive to make it that way... because otherwise it won't. I'm not saying that one person is going to change it all... but if you don't try then you certainly won't get there.

Hey now, I have said people suck for years!

The problem is the people are too lazy to care these days...apathy is running wild. They dont vote on the issues or on the facts or even on their gut they vote on a catchphrase. As long as it is on a bumper sticker, in a campaign ad or spouted by someone on cable it is a fact to them! That is why apparently McCain had a black illegitimate child, Obama was born in Kenya and Hilary was going to repeal NAFTA. This is the stuff that usually got laughed off and yet now this is the stuff the average person BELIEVES!

I might just have to implement dx's curriculum

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Hey Massachusetts! Coakley or Brown?

Pio, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree here. I think it was the perception that Dems are dithering about on their pet health care project while the economy is still on fire that is mostly responsible. It seems like the population (wrongly imo) is starting to suffer from war fatigue than a desire to pursue the war on terror more aggressively.

These big issues played a huge roll, no doubt. And the Christmas attempt to blow up an airplane (described by Janet Incompetano as a huge success) made many Americans queasy, because that's a shared experience, we all do it. No question you're right that America is concerned that BHO's priorities are wrong. I'm just saying, in Massachusetts, with the history of that seat, Brown's response was like flipping a populist switch in the minds of many independents. After all, most people in Massachusetts have never known a day that Teddy didn't occupy that seat. I guess I'm saying the possible support for Brown was there, but incipient. That exchange in the debate changed all that.

Hey, we're arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Lots of reasons why Marcia lost, personal, state, and national.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Hey Massachusetts! Coakley or Brown?

I might just have to implement dx's curriculum

Haha, I wish my teachers did that back in elementary. It would have saved me an assload of time trying to become an engineer.

 

[BoomGoestheDynamite]

Re: Hey Massachusetts! Coakley or Brown?

I'm going to respectfully disagree with you BGtD... It's not just health care, or the war, or the stimulus. It's the blatant corruption that is going on in politics. Buying senators votes, ramming bills through using "the nuclear option", letting unions out of paying taxes on their health care like the rest of the "cadillac options", and other things like that. The people realized that not only were the dems just as bad as the repubs, they just handed them the keys to the bugatti and watched them do this:

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Yeah, I see what your saying but I think a lot of that sentiment is the product of the general malaise that is being driven by the economy. The Democrats should've devoted their first year to fixing that debacle first and foremost, but that Party is nothing if not an incompetent mess.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Hey Massachusetts! Coakley or Brown?

I'm going to respectfully disagree with you BGtD... It's not just health care, or the war, or the stimulus. It's the blatant corruption that is going on in politics. Buying senators votes, ramming bills through using "the nuclear option", letting unions out of paying taxes on their health care like the rest of the "cadillac options", and other things like that. The people realized that not only were the dems just as bad as the repubs, they just handed them the keys to the bugatti and watched them do this:

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You guys are both right. It just seemed to me the chance of a Brown victory moved from more than just theoretical to seriously possible as a result of the debate and his answer to David Gergen's stupid question. Admittedly, that's the way I saw it, no real way to know how the voters perceived it.

BTW that video of putting the Veyron in the drink is one of the saddest things I've ever seen.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Hey Massachusetts! Coakley or Brown?

Best line of the night: Mike Barnacle quoting famous Democratic trickster Dick Tuck: "The people have spoken. The bastiches."

 

[Patman]

Re: Hey Massachusetts! Coakley or Brown?

Best line of the night: Mike Barnacle quoting famous Democratic trickster Dick Tuck: "The people have spoken. The bastiches."

I needed a local newsmagazine show (the one on Ch 5) to let me know that Barnacle is from my home town... otherwise you can find out on Wiki... because otherwise you'll never know... because nobody from Fitchburg will ever tell you. Shows you the value of Mike Barnacle.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Hey Massachusetts! Coakley or Brown?

I needed a local newsmagazine show (the one on Ch 5) to let me know that Barnacle is from my home town... otherwise you can find out on Wiki... because otherwise you'll never know... because nobody from Fitchburg will ever tell you. Shows you the value of Mike Barnacle.

Probably another Yankee fan.