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HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
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mainetwentytwelve
MAINE~IAK
Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
Wow. In the stands I never got a good look at that, but that is absolutely disgusting. Thank God we managed to win despite that type of play/officiating. If we lost to that...
Wow. In the stands I never got a good look at that, but that is absolutely disgusting. Thank God we managed to win despite that type of play/officiating. If we lost to that...
Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
Thanks for posting! Hopefully the league takes note of this and sends Benedetto and Shea to remedial classes! This was the MerriHack playbook Saturday night. They had just seen a Maine goal disallowed and knew Maine had momentum going, so resorted to these tactics and were rewarded again. ONLY saving grace was when Cornell got hacked so the 'Hack picked up the extra 2.
Benedetto was also the official that screwed Maine in the OT game at the 'Hack with an inadvertent whistle. He had been an official I had respect for, but this weekend lost all control and blew the Anthoine goal as well. And this guy is a police officer during the day??
Thanks for posting! Hopefully the league takes note of this and sends Benedetto and Shea to remedial classes! This was the MerriHack playbook Saturday night. They had just seen a Maine goal disallowed and knew Maine had momentum going, so resorted to these tactics and were rewarded again. ONLY saving grace was when Cornell got hacked so the 'Hack picked up the extra 2.
Benedetto was also the official that screwed Maine in the OT game at the 'Hack with an inadvertent whistle. He had been an official I had respect for, but this weekend lost all control and blew the Anthoine goal as well. And this guy is a police officer during the day??
AMC
Registered User
Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
Merrimack has some talented kids. I don't understand why they resort to this crap that they needed when it was the early 90's or whenever they used to get blitzed 12-0 by the second worst team in the league. I'd rather play a better team like BC or BU that wants to play hockey.
Merrimack has some talented kids. I don't understand why they resort to this crap that they needed when it was the early 90's or whenever they used to get blitzed 12-0 by the second worst team in the league. I'd rather play a better team like BC or BU that wants to play hockey.
Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
Your problem KIA (and you know I love you man) but you judge by who you get to know and let that impact your overall view. I just sit back and watch and game in and game out certain players step up and others disappear. IMHO Flynn has showed up more than anyone else night in and night out. Honestly Nemec and Hegarty are not far behind and they are out there in the closing seconds of all games. There is not a single person I can call out, for awhile the swedes were out and since Theo and Klaus returned they have been very good.
Rutt has been sitting but is good a 7th d-man as you will find, but Pryor and Brice are playing great and providing offense. That was a great rush, Brice went to the net, Nick got it on goal and Spencer made the nice pass (IMAGINE THAT). Let's hope Parker can play, but Cerretani is no slouch. I think we can beat BU!
had they tried that crap on brice, he never would have been called for embellishment.
(and I still missed where you congratulated him on tieing Gretzbott in game winning goals for a season.)
that said... now that Chris Connolly has surpassed your bf in conference assists, do you suppose he is going to help ensure that his brother jack passes him in total points?
very interesting match up this weekend... Connolly vs. Abbott vs. Connolly
Your problem KIA (and you know I love you man) but you judge by who you get to know and let that impact your overall view. I just sit back and watch and game in and game out certain players step up and others disappear. IMHO Flynn has showed up more than anyone else night in and night out. Honestly Nemec and Hegarty are not far behind and they are out there in the closing seconds of all games. There is not a single person I can call out, for awhile the swedes were out and since Theo and Klaus returned they have been very good.
Rutt has been sitting but is good a 7th d-man as you will find, but Pryor and Brice are playing great and providing offense. That was a great rush, Brice went to the net, Nick got it on goal and Spencer made the nice pass (IMAGINE THAT). Let's hope Parker can play, but Cerretani is no slouch. I think we can beat BU!
Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
not sure what any of this has to do with the video or my post?? I'm sure Abbott doesn't care that Connolly passed him in Conf apples, when he is beating him by 20 points.....As for his bro he should worry about Austin first, who just passed him in ppg this weekend. I would love it if O'con could get another game winner this weekend, don't matter who gets it as long as Maine continues winning, as a Maine fan I would think you would wrap your head around this.
I missed where you gave Abbott any credit (ever) besides saying it was nice that he got 2 points, but the shot was lucky, and the pass wasn't nice
Was a nice tap in by O'con, very suprised the rush was Abbott Pryor and O'con, and Flynn and Diamond got left back.
but back to the brutal call.
had they tried that crap on brice, he never would have been called for embellishment.
(and I still missed where you congratulated him on tieing Gretzbott in game winning goals for a season.)
that said... now that Chris Connolly has surpassed your bf in conference assists, do you suppose he is going to help ensure that his brother jack passes him in total points?
very interesting match up this weekend... Connolly vs. Abbott vs. Connolly
not sure what any of this has to do with the video or my post?? I'm sure Abbott doesn't care that Connolly passed him in Conf apples, when he is beating him by 20 points.....As for his bro he should worry about Austin first, who just passed him in ppg this weekend. I would love it if O'con could get another game winner this weekend, don't matter who gets it as long as Maine continues winning, as a Maine fan I would think you would wrap your head around this.
I missed where you gave Abbott any credit (ever) besides saying it was nice that he got 2 points, but the shot was lucky, and the pass wasn't nice
Was a nice tap in by O'con, very suprised the rush was Abbott Pryor and O'con, and Flynn and Diamond got left back.but back to the brutal call.
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CenMEBlackBearFan
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Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
Ok, I really thought it was time to focus on BU but after watching "Abbott's Embellishment" it does confirm what we all saw take place this w/e. Would love to hear from redurk86 or MCHOCKEY who seem to be level headed guys and get their take on what frustrated UMaine fans this w/e. Maybe we are missing something if so please enlighten us
Ok, I really thought it was time to focus on BU but after watching "Abbott's Embellishment" it does confirm what we all saw take place this w/e. Would love to hear from redurk86 or MCHOCKEY who seem to be level headed guys and get their take on what frustrated UMaine fans this w/e. Maybe we are missing something if so please enlighten us
Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
Actually, I was sitting right below someone that was yelling at the refs to call embellishment on Cannata, and it was probably a 12 or 13 year old kid. I turned around and told him to quiet down...
Actually, I was sitting right below someone that was yelling at the refs to call embellishment on Cannata, and it was probably a 12 or 13 year old kid. I turned around and told him to quiet down...
Carmine Scarpaglia
My bad.
Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
Wow that is absolutely pathetic stuff from Merrimack. But par for the course for that program.
Wow that is absolutely pathetic stuff from Merrimack. But par for the course for that program.
Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
Good luck against Jack and the refs.
Fair enough. To be honest, I'd LOVE to see them be able to play more like Maine or UNH; got to see some of that style of play over the past couple of years with Da Costa and Barton. (Surprised that you mentioned Toomey since he was the instigator against Abbott....agree, no way Abbott should go to the box). Some of it is gamesmanship (faceoff circle stuff, jockying for position), but the after the whistle stuff is garbage. Maybe next year with Toomey, Myers, Bates (hope he is okay) and Bly, they go to more of a speed game as they all have wheels. If Bigos leaves, he takes a LOT of penalty minutes with him (Bennedetto has thrown him out of at least 3 or 4 games).
Good luck against Jack and the refs.
Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
Not sure if I'm beating a dead horse before I go back and read through what I'm sure was a heavily posted on and heated thread here, but yea...
The take home points are:
The refs were the catalyst of those games getting out of hand.
I don't fault the Warriors for incorporating a game plan that included some extracurriculars. Agitating, physicality...some of those things level the playing field if your opponent has more speed and an effective PP. And there are times when refs need to take control of the game. But they crossed that line so much, they managed to actually ESCALATE the madness.
If there is an action and a retaliation, most of the the time, yes, you need to send both players. And there were more than a fair share of times where that was the case.
But as the games, and the series wore on...there were many times where any unbiased eye could see Maine refusing to retaliate and getting sent to the box anyway.
Let's say you're in the stands, and another fan punches you in the face. If the police are going to charge YOU with assault whether you retaliate or not, then where is the incentive to NOT retaliate? That became the approach of the games, and that's why you had a game that was literally record breaking on Saturday with plenty of Sunday carryover.
If what went down was OK, then every single time Chiasson is on the ice, we should just send Leidermark out there to slash the hell out of him before every faceoff and make sure he hardly plays. Right? Because that was exactly what happened with the Abbott thing on Sunday, and multiple other times with other players.
Not sure if I'm beating a dead horse before I go back and read through what I'm sure was a heavily posted on and heated thread here, but yea...
The take home points are:
The refs were the catalyst of those games getting out of hand.
I don't fault the Warriors for incorporating a game plan that included some extracurriculars. Agitating, physicality...some of those things level the playing field if your opponent has more speed and an effective PP. And there are times when refs need to take control of the game. But they crossed that line so much, they managed to actually ESCALATE the madness.
If there is an action and a retaliation, most of the the time, yes, you need to send both players. And there were more than a fair share of times where that was the case.
But as the games, and the series wore on...there were many times where any unbiased eye could see Maine refusing to retaliate and getting sent to the box anyway.
Let's say you're in the stands, and another fan punches you in the face. If the police are going to charge YOU with assault whether you retaliate or not, then where is the incentive to NOT retaliate? That became the approach of the games, and that's why you had a game that was literally record breaking on Saturday with plenty of Sunday carryover.
If what went down was OK, then every single time Chiasson is on the ice, we should just send Leidermark out there to slash the hell out of him before every faceoff and make sure he hardly plays. Right? Because that was exactly what happened with the Abbott thing on Sunday, and multiple other times with other players.
Carmine Scarpaglia
My bad.
Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
All due respect... On a night where it might seem like it is a random event and just happens with two guys going at it, I'd be inclined to say sure that is gamesmanship and jockeying for position. Without Abbott doing anything in that clip and the actions of not one but two players from MC doing what they did and in the context of everything else Merrimack was doing, it's clear to me it is not gamesmanship or jockeying for positing and is pure buffoonery from Merrimack.
All due respect... On a night where it might seem like it is a random event and just happens with two guys going at it, I'd be inclined to say sure that is gamesmanship and jockeying for position. Without Abbott doing anything in that clip and the actions of not one but two players from MC doing what they did and in the context of everything else Merrimack was doing, it's clear to me it is not gamesmanship or jockeying for positing and is pure buffoonery from Merrimack.
Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
I also had the advantage of numerous replays from the comfort of my couch...it was not a shove my friend, it was a punch to the facemask right in front of the ref. No retaliation and that's why he went alone.
I also had the advantage of numerous replays from the comfort of my couch...it was not a shove my friend, it was a punch to the facemask right in front of the ref. No retaliation and that's why he went alone.
Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
That was a cute move by Cornell, pick up the MC stick and skate away with it, don't hear many Maine fans talking about that one...
That was a cute move by Cornell, pick up the MC stick and skate away with it, don't hear many Maine fans talking about that one...
Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
Was Diamond grabbing Bly's facemask and tearing it away from his face pathetic too? Don't let the facts on both sides get in the way of a good argument though.
As for the Abbott thing, I think a lot of the jousting in the circles was mutual for the weekend, and a majority probably initiated by MC. I'm not going to go back and watch every scrum, but I would be we'd see a lot of mutual pushing shoving slashing. Toomey clearly gave it to Abbott pretty good, but the refs tend to take the thinking out and just put them both in the box. Tough call on Abbott but the track record is to give matching penalties (see games 1 and 2).
Was Diamond grabbing Bly's facemask and tearing it away from his face pathetic too? Don't let the facts on both sides get in the way of a good argument though.
As for the Abbott thing, I think a lot of the jousting in the circles was mutual for the weekend, and a majority probably initiated by MC. I'm not going to go back and watch every scrum, but I would be we'd see a lot of mutual pushing shoving slashing. Toomey clearly gave it to Abbott pretty good, but the refs tend to take the thinking out and just put them both in the box. Tough call on Abbott but the track record is to give matching penalties (see games 1 and 2).
AMC
Registered User
Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
Don't worry about the fact that Bly had both arms wrapped around Diamond's throat from behind immediately preceding that, either. If Bly had done that to me, a little facemask would have been the least of my reaction.
Don't worry about the fact that Bly had both arms wrapped around Diamond's throat from behind immediately preceding that, either. If Bly had done that to me, a little facemask would have been the least of my reaction.
Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
Did you actually see either of these plays?
Abbott is a guy that had collected 21 minors, 0 majors and 0 misconducts in 146 games played going into this weekend. That's roughly 1 minor every 7 games played. In other words, if Spencer received 2 minor penalties in a month, that's a lack of discipline for him. If you only get about 5 penalties per year, I'm guessing his reputation for embellishing isn't all too extensive. And as a top 6 forward on this team since his freshman year, I'm guessing this weekend wasn't the first time a team jousted, antagonized or targeted him in some way. And yet he managed to get two embellishment calls and his first career misconduct within two games! Gee wiz, he must have woke up on the wrong side of the bed and suddenly turned into a diving soccer player with an anger problem! Certainly nothing fishy here.
And I'd like for you to explain this to me with the Diamond/Bly incident... I recognize that Joey's name is a curse word around the league, but on that particular play, he came in and finished his run of the mill check, and when he turned to skate away.... "holding" doesn't do Bly justice. That was half of a rowdy roddy piper sleeper hold. AND YET. Even the firey, antagonistic, retaliatory Diamond didn't retaliate UNTIL?? The Ref blew the play dead....skated over and motioned that BOTH players were going to the box.
This goes back to the analogy: If you're in the stands and someone punches you in the face, and the cops are going to come over, charge YOU with assault and dole you the same punishment as the dude who punched you whether you retaliate or not, then where is your incentive to not retaliate. It's the opposite of logic: If you're going to force someone to do the time, they may as well commit the crime! You know, get your money's worth....But here's the kicker!!....
When they assessed the penalties, they didn't assess Joey 2 and 5. JUST 5. Which means that had he not fulfilled the officials prophecy by going ahead and acting in frustration AFTER being signaled to the box before retaliating and after being held by the neck, they were going to send him even if he DIDNT facemask Bly. So here's my question: WHAT WERE THEY SENDING HIM FOR?
Did you actually see either of these plays?
Abbott is a guy that had collected 21 minors, 0 majors and 0 misconducts in 146 games played going into this weekend. That's roughly 1 minor every 7 games played. In other words, if Spencer received 2 minor penalties in a month, that's a lack of discipline for him. If you only get about 5 penalties per year, I'm guessing his reputation for embellishing isn't all too extensive. And as a top 6 forward on this team since his freshman year, I'm guessing this weekend wasn't the first time a team jousted, antagonized or targeted him in some way. And yet he managed to get two embellishment calls and his first career misconduct within two games! Gee wiz, he must have woke up on the wrong side of the bed and suddenly turned into a diving soccer player with an anger problem! Certainly nothing fishy here.
And I'd like for you to explain this to me with the Diamond/Bly incident... I recognize that Joey's name is a curse word around the league, but on that particular play, he came in and finished his run of the mill check, and when he turned to skate away.... "holding" doesn't do Bly justice. That was half of a rowdy roddy piper sleeper hold. AND YET. Even the firey, antagonistic, retaliatory Diamond didn't retaliate UNTIL?? The Ref blew the play dead....skated over and motioned that BOTH players were going to the box.
This goes back to the analogy: If you're in the stands and someone punches you in the face, and the cops are going to come over, charge YOU with assault and dole you the same punishment as the dude who punched you whether you retaliate or not, then where is your incentive to not retaliate. It's the opposite of logic: If you're going to force someone to do the time, they may as well commit the crime! You know, get your money's worth....But here's the kicker!!.... When they assessed the penalties, they didn't assess Joey 2 and 5. JUST 5. Which means that had he not fulfilled the officials prophecy by going ahead and acting in frustration AFTER being signaled to the box before retaliating and after being held by the neck, they were going to send him even if he DIDNT facemask Bly. So here's my question: WHAT WERE THEY SENDING HIM FOR?
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Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: HEA QF's: #5 'Mack @ #4 Maine
Had a great angle on the Abbott thing... Never seen anything called as poorly as that.
If Benny works another game this season, I'm going to start into following soccer, or maybe professional darts.
The good old cop needs to be put out to pasture.
Had a great angle on the Abbott thing... Never seen anything called as poorly as that.
If Benny works another game this season, I'm going to start into following soccer, or maybe professional darts.
The good old cop needs to be put out to pasture.