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HEA Mens 2022 Tournament Mega-Thread

Patman

Patman

Rodent of Unusual Size
Things aren't like they used to be on the individual team threads so lets go with this one. I haven't seen pairings drop and I don't know if they are going to re-seed after each round. Wild Saturday night to finish the league off with a heart-breaker or jubilation in North Andover depending on perspective with Northeastern taking the regular season title. Only thing I know is 1) Northeastern, 2) UMass, 3) Lowell... after that I don't know the tiebreakers and I don't see anything final published yet.
 
Northeastern
UMass
Lowell
BU
UConn
Merrimack
Providence
BC
UNH
UVM
Maine

11 Maine at 6 Merrimack
10 UVM at 7 Providence
9 UNH at 8 BC

Worst remaining seed plays at #1 Northeastern next weekend, etc...
 
ticapnews said:
Northeastern
UMass
Lowell
BU
UConn
Merrimack
Providence
BC
UNH
UVM
Maine

11 Maine at 6 Merrimack
10 UVM at 7 Providence
9 UNH at 8 BC

Worst remaining seed plays at #1 Northeastern next weekend, etc...
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Wrong. UConn 4th BU 5th BU plays at UConn in the quarterfinals. That game is locked in.
 
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The league was not clear regarding the tiebreaker procedures. Last week I questioned if the league would consider regulation wins vs overtime wins differently when applying the second tiebreaker. The answer is still unknown, but the likely answer is yes. That is because for the first tiebreaker they are considering regulation wins different from overtime wins. Here is how they broke and seeded the 3 teams:

RWOWRLOLTPtsPts%
Connecticut3011010
Boston University212008
Merrimack103003

[TD="align: right"]4[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]0.667[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]5[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]0.533[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]6[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]0.250[/TD]


As can be seen the first tiebreaker neatly sorts them into 4, 5, & 6 with no need to do another round of head-to-head between BU and UConn.

So, Hockey East didn't clarify that 1) the percentage they would use was a points percentage and 2) if a multi-way tie was clearly sorted with one round no further rounds would occur.

Sean
 
Sean Pickett said:
The league was not clear regarding the tiebreaker procedures. Last week I questioned if the league would consider regulation wins vs overtime wins differently when applying the second tiebreaker. The answer is still unknown, but the likely answer is yes. That is because for the first tiebreaker they are considering regulation wins different from overtime wins. Here is how they broke and seeded the 3 teams:

RWOWRLOLTPtsPts%
Connecticut3011010
Boston University212008
Merrimack103003

[TD="align: right"]4[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]0.667[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]5[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]0.533[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]6[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]0.250[/TD]


As can be seen the first tiebreaker neatly sorts them into 4, 5, & 6 with no need to do another round of head-to-head between BU and UConn.

So, Hockey East didn't clarify that 1) the percentage they would use was a points percentage and 2) if a multi-way tie was clearly sorted with one round no further rounds would occur.

Sean
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Interesting. The league makes no mention of overtime at all on the website, just "wins." Shouldn't be shocked the tiebreaker procedures aren't transparent. Did the league ever clarify if they break 3 (or more) way ties from the top or the bottom?
 
ticapnews said:
Interesting. The league makes no mention of overtime at all on the website, just "wins." Shouldn't be shocked the tiebreaker procedures aren't transparent. Did the league ever clarify if they break 3 (or more) way ties from the top or the bottom?
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It appears that a win is a win for the second tiebreaker, conference wins, but not for the first tiebreaker, head-to-head, when there is a multi-way tie according to Mike McMahon's Mack Report.

As for breaking multi-way ties, the HE site states "the same criteria will be applied to reduce the number of teams tied."

So, based on how it was used with BU, UConn and MC, using points percentage neatly separated them with no ties within the tiebreaker, so no need to go further. But if there was still a tie within the tiebreaker I don't think it would matter if the top or bottom team separated out first.

Sean
 
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Sean Pickett, alway appreciate your informative posts. I was a bit heartbroken at the Merrimack result on Saturday night, but upon further reflection, I'm okay that they have a 1st round game against ME rather than a bye and have to host BU (BU's recent stinker at Orono notwithstanding). Win against the Black Bears and they play at UML who have not lit the world on fire at the end of the season. Team to watch out for is BC if Dop continues to be hot.
 
I've streamed most of UML's games on College Sports Live this season and last since I live so far away. Its been nice not having to pay a subscription. I reckon that will end since things are getting back to normal.
 
chickod said:
Who is "College Sports Live?" Every time you turn around there is a new outlet. Is that a Hockey East thing? All season we watched the CBS Sports Network stream, but now there's something different?
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AFAIK, College Sports Live is part of CBS Sports Network.
 
RENCEB said:
Sean Pickett, alway appreciate your informative posts. I was a bit heartbroken at the Merrimack result on Saturday night, but upon further reflection, I'm okay that they have a 1st round game against ME rather than a bye and have to host BU (BU's recent stinker at Orono notwithstanding). Win against the Black Bears and they play at UML who have not lit the world on fire at the end of the season. Team to watch out for is BC if Dop continues to be hot.
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Thanks for the compliment. Hockey East has a history of not being clear in regards to how they apply their tiebreakers and their current statement regarding multi-way ties is unclear:

If more than two teams finish in a tie, the same criteria will be applied to reduce the number of teams tied, and then the process will commence again. In the event that teams have an uneven amount of games against other opponents in a three-way (or more) tie, winning percentage will be the tiebreaker.
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Mentioning reducing the number of tied teams implies that one is to be dropped and then the process restarted with the remaining teams. Furthermore, the league clearly mentioned winning percentage would be used, not points percentage. However, the league choose to use points percentage, which is not mentioned in the tiebreaker at all.

Here is my attempt to write a concise and clear statement as well as a new tiebreaker that I think makes sense.

For playoff seeding purposes, the following tiebreakers will be used at the conclusion of the regular season

1. Head-to-head results between the tied teams

2. Number of wins in conference play

3. Number of regulation wins in conference play

4. Best record against the first-place team(s), then the second-place team(s), then the third-place team(s), and so on

5. Coin flip

If more than two teams finish in a tie, the same criteria will be applied. Teams no longer tied after a tiebreaker is applied will be seeded and the process will commence again only for those teams still tied. In the event that teams have an uneven amount of games against other opponents in a multi-way tie, points percentage will be the tiebreaker.


Example 1: Three-way tie using how the league broke the BU-UConn-MC tie:

[TABLE="width: 397"]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]RW[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]OW[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]RL[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]OL[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]T [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]Pts[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]Pts%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Connecticut[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]3[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]1[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]1[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]10[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, align: right"]0.667[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Boston University[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]2[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]1[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]2[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]8[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, align: right"]0.533[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Merrimack[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]1[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]3[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]3[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, align: right"]0.250[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


All three neatly sort out with no ties, so UConn gets the highest seed, BU the next seed and Merrimack the lowest seed. But what if there was a 4-way tie with the middle two teams still tied after the first tiebreaker? Example 2:

[TABLE="width: 397"]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]RW[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]OW[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]RL[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]OL[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]T [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]Pts[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]Pts%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Northeastern[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]4[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]3[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]12[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, align: right"]0.571[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Massachusetts[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]3[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]3[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]9[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, align: right"]0.500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]UMass Lowell[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]3[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]3[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]9[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, align: right"]0.500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Connecticut[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]3[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]4[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]9[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, align: right"]0.429[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


In this case NU would get the highest seed and UConn the lowest seed, then the tiebreaker process would recommence with UMass and UML to determine who gets the second highest seed and the third highest seed. In my example I have the two teams 1-1 head-to-head, so then you go to the 2nd tiebreaker, conference wins. Assume they are the same, so go to the 3rd tiebreaker. Currently that would depend on which team finished first, etc., but if you add regulation wins that could break the tie with less additional factors. In my hypothetical example UMass has one more regulation win than UML and gets the second highest seed.

So, is that clear or is it still confusing? Thoughts? Suggestions?

Sean
 
UMass clearly the best team in the tournament. Northeastern will go as far as Levi takes them. He should win Player of the Year unanimously and be a Hobey finalist.
 
Sean Pickett said:
Thanks for the compliment. Hockey East has a history of not being clear in regards to how they apply their tiebreakers and their current statement regarding multi-way ties is unclear:

Mentioning reducing the number of tied teams implies that one is to be dropped and then the process restarted with the remaining teams. Furthermore, the league clearly mentioned winning percentage would be used, not points percentage. However, the league choose to use points percentage, which is not mentioned in the tiebreaker at all.

Here is my attempt to write a concise and clear statement as well as a new tiebreaker that I think makes sense.

For playoff seeding purposes, the following tiebreakers will be used at the conclusion of the regular season

1. Head-to-head results between the tied teams

2. Number of wins in conference play

3. Number of regulation wins in conference play

4. Best record against the first-place team(s), then the second-place team(s), then the third-place team(s), and so on

5. Coin flip

If more than two teams finish in a tie, the same criteria will be applied. Teams no longer tied after a tiebreaker is applied will be seeded and the process will commence again only for those teams still tied. In the event that teams have an uneven amount of games against other opponents in a multi-way tie, points percentage will be the tiebreaker.


Example 1: Three-way tie using how the league broke the BU-UConn-MC tie:

[TABLE="width: 397"]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]RW[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]OW[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]RL[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]OL[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]T [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]Pts[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]Pts%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Connecticut[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]3[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]1[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]1[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]10[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, align: right"]0.667[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Boston University[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]2[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]1[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]2[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]8[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, align: right"]0.533[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Merrimack[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]1[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]3[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]3[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, align: right"]0.250[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


All three neatly sort out with no ties, so UConn gets the highest seed, BU the next seed and Merrimack the lowest seed. But what if there was a 4-way tie with the middle two teams still tied after the first tiebreaker? Example 2:

[TABLE="width: 397"]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]RW[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]OW[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]RL[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]OL[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]T [/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]Pts[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]Pts%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Northeastern[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]4[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]3[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]12[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, align: right"]0.571[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Massachusetts[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]3[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]3[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]9[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, align: right"]0.500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]UMass Lowell[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]3[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]3[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]9[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, align: right"]0.500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Connecticut[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]3[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]4[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65"]9[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, align: right"]0.429[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


In this case NU would get the highest seed and UConn the lowest seed, then the tiebreaker process would recommence with UMass and UML to determine who gets the second highest seed and the third highest seed. In my example I have the two teams 1-1 head-to-head, so then you go to the 2nd tiebreaker, conference wins. Assume they are the same, so go to the 3rd tiebreaker. Currently that would depend on which team finished first, etc., but if you add regulation wins that could break the tie with less additional factors. In my hypothetical example UMass has one more regulation win than UML and gets the second highest seed.

So, is that clear or is it still confusing? Thoughts? Suggestions?

Sean
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It's clear. The issue was the explanation on the Hockey East website was not.
 
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